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Apologies if I missed this; I didn't actually see the thread for like a week. Android  Security Update: A new root exploit found in most versions of the Linux kernel in place on Android phones.Before the usual suspects spew opinions we could probably write from memory, THIS ISN'T REALLY ABOUT ROOT. A quick look at the Linux kernel timeline will tell you that even the Nexuses are using phones whose kernels were never planned to be used for this long (you'll note that your 6P with its 3.10 is already technically end-of-life). The problems happen when Android apps expect kernel support for things. Bad coding for the way Android works but sometimes the only way to get things done, and Android really has always been about compromising everything for pragmatism (or whatever Google thought would be neat this week), hasn't it. Do I understand why it happens like this? Kind of yeah; kernels are ostensibly sort of a life-of-device thing (I'd appreciate it if someone with more knowledge of Android than me could provide us details on why this has historically been) and Google is ostensibly picking up the slack (sucks if you're not on a Nexus and apparently not great if you are) and refactoring Android for Linux 4 would probably cost millions of person-hours and close to a billion dollars. Does it justify not doing that? Does it gently caress. dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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Lol if you don't make cardboard cutouts of every phone before you go into the store
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Mar 26, 2016 03:41
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Endless Mike posted:How quick do you think phone development times are? I'm not saying Motorola will just dump whatever they're working on to copy Samsung, but there are other devices coming out that are around that size which leads me to believe it's not just Samsung thinking that's the way things will go. I just phrased it wrong. nimper posted:The S7 isn't any bigger or smaller than the S6 or S5 though. Yes exactly, but as someone said development cycles aren't 4-6 months. I'm saying it's coming to a point where there is a trend away from the phablet and that another generation of galaxy phones stuck with that. Long day. Word salad. 
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Mar 26, 2016 03:58
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On Terra Firma posted:I'm not saying Motorola will just dump whatever they're working on to copy Samsung, Well yeah, that's LG's job.
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Mar 26, 2016 04:05
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Whizbang posted:Well yeah, that's LG's job. I'd like to think some drunk Samsung designer was at a bar talking about buttons on the back of the phone and the LG designer who overheard him missed the "are actually a dumb loving idea" part.
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Mar 26, 2016 04:09
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Sir Unimaginative posted:The problems happen when Android apps expect kernel support for things. Bad coding for the way Android works but sometimes the only way to get things done, and Android really has always been about compromising everything for pragmatism (or whatever Google thought would be neat this week), hasn't it. There are pretty much no examples of things that are unsupported in the kernel that are the only way for things to get done, in regular Android applications. Most of the things in mainline that are missing in kernels on anything newer than Gingerbread are perhaps "nice to have" but there are plenty of alternatives. Using them in Android is harder to do, because no syscall interface is generated for you and you have to go out of your way to try to use them. quote:Do I understand why it happens like this? Kind of yeah; kernels are ostensibly sort of a life-of-device thing (I'd appreciate it if someone with more knowledge of Android than me could provide us details on why this has historically been) and Google is ostensibly picking up the slack (sucks if you're not on a Nexus and apparently not great if you are) and refactoring Android for Linux 4 would probably cost millions of person-hours and close to a billion dollars. Generally, kernels are generally provided by SoC vendors (i.e. qualcomm) for each particular SoC they put out. It's true that Android had its own patches on top of the kernel for a while (binder, ion, ashmem), but many of these have been upstreamed, and most of the ones that aren't have upstream equivalents that wouldn't be hard to switch over to (e.g. ashmem -> memfd). The only real obstacle is hardware support.
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Mar 26, 2016 04:46
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oh slap my dick clean off my body turning my groin into the smooth smooth lines of a porche. Android wear refuses to update, so I uninstall, clear cache thinking its the usual bug of olden times gone. TYOOL Two thousand and sixteen, it doesn't want to loving reinstall, severing the link between moto360 and nexus 6. More Android N fuckery to come.
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Mar 26, 2016 18:58
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I need a new phone. Considering LG G3 and G4. Is the G4 worth the extra $$ ??
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PirateBob posted:I need a new phone. Considering LG G3 and G4. Is the G4 worth the extra $$ ?? Try reading the thread?? (TL;dr: you're dumb and get a Nexus you dummy)
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Mar 26, 2016 19:54
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Try reading the thread?? Didn't see anything on the last few pages about these phones. 
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Mar 26, 2016 21:03
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PirateBob posted:Didn't see anything on the last few pages about these phones. My wife had an LG G4 and hated it and is much happier with my hand-me-down Galaxy S6. The double tap to wake was neat, the camera software was terrible.
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PirateBob posted:I need a new phone. Considering LG G3 and G4. Is the G4 worth the extra $$ ?? I'd go for the 4, the 3 is pretty old at this point.
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PirateBob posted:Didn't see anything on the last few pages about these phones.
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Desk Lamp posted:I'd go for the 4, the 3 is pretty old at this point. Apparently there's some horrible boot loop problem with newer G4 phones
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FWIW I have a G4 and have no problems with it. Can't really say there's a huge reason to get one if wanting a good camera and swappable battery/expandable storage isn't a priority for you, but if you can get one for a good deal I'd say go for it. It's nice to be able to drop in a spare battery and immediately jump to 100% at any rate.PirateBob posted:Didn't see anything on the last few pages about these phones. Almost all the gripes people have posted about non-Nexus phones boil down to an extra swipe to get to certain options or notification slots being taken up by toggles that aren't available for Farmville updates or whatever. The G4 certainly isn't exempt from this but it's quite frankly overblown, you can turn off pretty much anything you don't want. If you like nitpicking UI controls you might as well get a Nexus so the thread won't get caremad about your purchasing decisions. uPen posted:My wife had an LG G4 and hated it and is much happier with my hand-me-down Galaxy S6. The double tap to wake was neat, the camera software was terrible. Haven't run into this one myself personally but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't getting blown out of proportion to some degree by the internet echo chamber. LG is exchanging them under warranty for anyone experiencing the issue though.
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captain poopfister posted:oh slap my dick clean off my body turning my groin into the smooth smooth lines of a porche. Are you trying to use the N preview on your personal phone, or is this on your development device?
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Mar 26, 2016 23:51
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It sure does suck that pre-beta software intended only for development devices is buggy!
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Mar 27, 2016 17:19
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Carrier branded phones are horrible and bad?! How in the hell am I supposed to buy a phone to use on VZW then?
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redeyes posted:Carrier branded phones are horrible and bad?! How in the hell am I supposed to buy a phone to use on VZW then? Both nexus devices from this year and the nexus from last year work on Verizon. Also, the current Moto X pure.
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redeyes posted:Carrier branded phones are horrible and bad?! How in the hell am I supposed to buy a phone to use on VZW then? Buy a phone that operates on Verizon's bands.
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Mar 27, 2016 18:32
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Sorry if this has been asked before recently but what are the best options out there for an S7E case? I'm usually against cases (especially on phones this sexy) but this one seems particularly susceptible to scratches.
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Mar 27, 2016 23:12
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Odobenidae posted:I just got a card from the SA front page on Google Now. Does this mean we're no longer a dead gay forum? I really shouldn't have clicked on that card: 
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Are there international versions of the Galaxy S7 (and Samsung devices in general) which do not lack warranty? http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galax...pe%3A6503240011 Why do they not provide any warranty on those? Do offerings that do not mention warranty also lack one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...6YAAOSwr7ZW6s~3 Kane fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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RZA Encryption posted:Are you trying to use the N preview on your personal phone, or is this on your development device? It's a dev phone. Still doesn't account for its untested nature, it's like testing a new car chassis on journalists without putting wheels on it first.
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captain poopfister posted:It's a dev phone. Still doesn't account for its untested nature, it's like testing a new car chassis on journalists without putting wheels on it first.
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captain poopfister posted:It's a dev phone. Still doesn't account for its untested nature, it's like testing a new car chassis on journalists without putting wheels on it first. "Unstable and missing features" is pretty much the definition of an alpha build, Mr. Poopfister. You're pretty much dealing with a concept car at this point. azurite fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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Mar 28, 2016 12:29
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Yeah, the entire point of making it available now is for (free) testing, isn't it?
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Kane posted:Are there international versions of the Galaxy S7 (and Samsung devices in general) which do not lack warranty? They don't offer warranties because Samsung only warranties their phones in the territory they're sold in. International models are being bought and sold by an importer. You can get a third-party warranty from SquareTrade, probably.
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Thanks in part to the advice here, I ended up getting a Moto X Pure on Saturday, and I love it. This thing owns bones. It's faster getting to twitter/feedly/SA etc. than even my desktop, and the moto voice commands are surprisingly good (it had no problem updating me about the status of the Celtics game or telling me when The Night Manager premiers in the states). It's the perfect size to double as a fios & roku remote, has solid speakers, and seems to be integrating flawlessly with all my other devices. Any sort of cool functionality I should know about that would otherwise be easy to miss?
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captain poopfister posted:It's a dev phone. Still doesn't account for its untested nature, it's like testing a new car chassis on journalists without putting wheels on it first. I always think I've seen the wrong-est post in this thread and then I read the thread the next day and find out I was wrong.
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Forever_Peace posted:Thanks in part to the advice here, I ended up getting a Moto X Pure on Saturday, and I love it. This thing owns bones. If you haven't discovered the quick actions yet: chop-chop the phone to turn on the flashlight. Twist the phone a couple times to open the camera.
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Forever_Peace posted:Any sort of cool functionality I should know about that would otherwise be easy to miss?
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captain poopfister posted:It's a dev phone. Still doesn't account for its untested nature, it's like testing a new car chassis on journalists without putting wheels on it first. Ahahahaha
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nimper posted:If you haven't discovered the quick actions yet: chop-chop the phone to turn on the flashlight. Twist the phone a couple times to open the camera. The flashlight gesture is the best thing, the camera gesture would be better if it wasn't tied to the Moto camera app, but it's good enough for quick off-the-cuff photos and the shots get stored in the same place the Google camera app stores them so it's really just using a different camera on occasion.
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Syrinxx posted:Double twist for camera is the best thing. Also the car mode from Moto is really good, it will read you texts, etc The problem I had with the car mode was that it would get confused if another text came in while it was already dealing with one. Otherwise it worked pretty well.
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hooah posted:The problem I had with the car mode was that it would get confused if another text came in while it was already dealing with one. Otherwise it worked pretty well. Yeah this is one of the annoyances I have with that feature. Obvious solution would be to queue messages until you're finished responding but not sure how easy that would be to implement.
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Yeah, it's a really serious oversight that Google hasn't put text handling while diving into the OS natively. The Moto stuff handles it very well. It even lights up my car's mic to deal with the commands which is great because my phone is usually in my pocket.
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docbeard posted:Yeah, the entire point of making it available now is for (free) testing, isn't it? Thanks. The last Black Dual Sim that would deliver by Friday was just snagged under me as I hit "pay" on PayPal. Anyone know if ordering from Singapore to the US would incur any sort of additional customs charge? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Samsung...nVkbPhJ4Ie3xLCA
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bull3964 posted:Yeah, it's a really serious oversight that Google hasn't put text handling while diving into the OS natively. The Moto stuff handles it very well. It even lights up my car's mic to deal with the commands which is great because my phone is usually in my pocket. Given that Android already has an API to determine what the user's doing - walking, cycling, driving etc. - couldn't this be whipped up into an app? If Location Services reports that the user is driving, and [messaging client] reports a message has come in, notify using TTS and ask whether to speak it aloud. Once that's done, ask if the user wants to reply. ...maybe someone at Google honestly thinks 'handles communication while driving' should be a selling point for Android Auto 
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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That's basically it. Instead of doing their own Car Home Ultra they decided to write Android for head units even though most people would far rather use their phones than their garbage head units.
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