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JaucheCharly posted:That was absolutely inevitable, eh? It is terrifying.
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One of these days The Lives of Famous Whores will turn up. It'll just say "Your mother." It'll have more literary merit than Lives of the Twelve Caesars.
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Mar 27, 2016 19:07
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Patter Song posted:One of these days The Lives of Famous Whores will turn up. It'll just say "Your mother." I think it would be hilarious if The Lives of Famous Whores was just a propaganda piece published by Augustus on all those from the Senatorial class he'd defeated, with a few actual biographies of famous historical whores thrown in there for legitimacy.
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Mar 27, 2016 22:16
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Patter Song posted:One of these days The Lives of Famous Whores will turn up. It'll just say "Your mother." Isn't Lives of Twelve Caesars pretty much The Lives of Famous Whores?
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Mar 28, 2016 12:53
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My Imaginary GF posted:I think it would be hilarious if The Lives of Famous Whores was just a propaganda piece published by Augustus on all those from the Senatorial class he'd defeated, with a few actual biographies of famous historical whores thrown in there for legitimacy. Whore number one, my ex wife:
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Mar 28, 2016 13:01
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Palmyra in better shape than feared, apparently http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/experts-rush-to-ancient-palmyra-after-regime-ousts-is/ar-BBr1nOV
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Mar 28, 2016 16:58
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Grand Fromage posted:Whore number one, my ex wife: By Tiberius.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:06
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In the spirit of Palmyra, are there any good books on it? I want to get a better handle on the Eastern bits of the Roman Empire and that seems like a good place to start.
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Mar 28, 2016 18:59
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peer posted:Palmyra in better shape than feared, apparently Well it's not exactly good news, but it's better than I expected and a bit of a relief that everything wasn't wiped out. Even some of the defaced statues "only" lost their faces from what I've read, and while that's not a good thing at least something was left behind.
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Grand Fromage posted:You are right, I did find Vitruvius and a couple other ancient writers theorizing about lead poisoning. I thought it was common knowledge that there was a higher turnover rate on slaves sent to the lead mines.
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Mar 30, 2016 10:47
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thrakkorzog posted:I thought it was common knowledge that there was a higher turnover rate on slaves sent to the lead mines. There was a high turnover on slaves sent to the anything mines, though...
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Mar 30, 2016 10:56
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feedmegin posted:There was a high turnover on slaves sent to the anything mines, though... Yeah I don't know if the lead mines were anything special. Being a mine slave was a death sentence.
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Speaking of lost stuff being found: an Etruscan stele was found in the foundation of an ancient temple. It's was recycled from another temple's display so it's going to have quite a bit of information on it. Preliminary inspection has revealed at least 70 letters and punctuation marks, which according to the article, makes it the longest sample of the Etruscan language ever found.
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Thwomp posted:Speaking of lost stuff being found: an Etruscan stele was found in the foundation of an ancient temple. It's was recycled from another temple's display so it's going to have quite a bit of information on it. Woah, that's super neat
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Mar 30, 2016 14:05
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After the new, lead-based success in reading the Villa of the Papyri fragments with tomography, there's been a sudden screaming rush from academics to start reexcavating the site and dig out however many more caches they can find. The site got closed down to new work several years ago, and only conservation efforts have been put in since, but they're now piss scared that water damage or even another eruption will steal all that potential writing from us. We'll see if they can get the funding and governmental cooperation together.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah I don't know if the lead mines were anything special. Being a mine slave was a death sentence. Why would people go then? Seems like if death is your best case scenario then revolts would be commonplace.
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Arglebargle III posted:Why would people go then? Seems like if death is your best case scenario then revolts would be commonplace. Monopolize power enough and be willing to use it and you can keep a lid in that for quite a while. gently caress, there was only one successful concentration camp revolt and only a handful of attempts. That said, slave revolts happened. The Servile Wars go up to number 3, after all, and those are the large scale things. It seems a fair assumption that there were lesser things that didn't rise to that level of seriousness. THAT said, my understanding of those is that they started more frequently in the agricultural areas like Sicily, which leads me to believe that things in the mines were just locked down that much more.
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I'd say the primary reason that mine revolts were rare and unsuccessful is that most mining operations/quarries would have been administered by the Roman army, whereas farmland was not. Revolts against slavemasters on a huge plantation are relatively easy compared to a military garrison. When legions weren't on campaign they spent most of their time building/maintaining things like roads, bridges, aqueducts, harbors, canals, public projects, etc. It makes sense that you'd have them run the mines since they need all kinds of stuff that has to be dug up out of the ground to build or finance their operations. As a bonus, your military engineers had uniform technical know-how for building things necessary for mining like water mills, aqueducts, and stamp mills. I believe Iberian auxiliary troops in particular were often used to help run the mines since Iberia had a much more well-developed mining industry compared to other parts of the empire.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah I don't know if the lead mines were anything special. Being a mine slave was a death sentence. The Romans had a pretty good idea that lead was poisonous: Vitruvius posted:Water conducted through earthen pipes is more wholesome than that through lead; indeed that conveyed in lead must be injurious, because from it white lead [ceruse or lead carbonate, PbCO3] is obtained, and this is said to be injurious to the human system. Hence, if what is generated from it is pernicious, there can be no doubt that itself cannot be a wholesome body. This may be verified by observing the workers in lead, who are of a pallid colour; for in casting lead, the fumes from it fixing on the different members, and daily burning them, destroy the vigour of the blood; water should therefore on no account be conducted in leaden pipes if we are desirous that it should be wholesome. That the flavour of that conveyed in earthen pipes is better, is shewn at our daily meals, for all those whose tables are furnished with silver vessels, nevertheless use those made of earth, from the purity of the flavour being preserved in them" (VIII.6.10-11). Taken from here. I doubt they understood just how bad it was, but the ill effects of lead were well known.
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I thought lead was mainly a byproduct from silver/gold mines? Really though, somebody once made an effortpost about Roman mining, and heavy metal poisoning was one of the less dangerous things about their operations.
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HEY GAL posted:kinda puts the english claim to have a rivalry with these people in the 16th/early 17th century in perspective At least England got some relevance in the late 17th century because the later king Georg I. was part of the small contingent send by Lüneburg-Braunschweig to help save Vienna from the Ottoman Empire.
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Libluini posted:At least England got some relevance in the late 17th century because the later king Georg I. was part of the small contingent send by Lüneburg-Braunschweig to help save Vienna from the Ottoman Empire.
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Mar 30, 2016 21:31
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:I thought lead was mainly a byproduct from silver/gold mines? Really though, somebody once made an effortpost about Roman mining, and heavy metal poisoning was one of the less dangerous things about their operations. Galena is a natural leaded ore that's silver-bearing as well. So yeah, lead is a byproduct of most silver mining. This is what a Roman silver mine looks like btw:  Not very pleasant.
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Jaramin posted:Galena is a natural leaded ore that's silver-bearing as well. So yeah, lead is a byproduct of most silver mining. This is what a Roman silver mine looks like btw: They had dedicated lead mines, as well. Britain was extensively mined for lead. Silver was sometimes found with it, but they weren't silver mines that produced lead - they were lead mines that produced some silver on the side.
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I am going to go to Santorini for 5 days in June, does anyone have any recommendations for sites to visit? Also, Santorini is basically the DFW for that area and I can easily go elsewhere. Any good early Roman Empire sites around? I was thinking of trying to get into the heart of Venetian Crete.
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Potential new Viking settlement found in Newfoundland thanks to "space archeologist" Sarah Parcak. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-space-archaeologist-may-have-found-a-second-viking-settlement-in-canada?utm_source=mbfbcaads Now the article was posted April 1st. But i'm hoping they know better than to make an april fools joke about that.
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Dalael posted:Potential new Viking settlement found in Newfoundland thanks to "space archeologist" Sarah Parcak. It's on the BBC, as well: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35935725 There's going to be a show about it on BBC1 on April 4, so I don't think it's a hoax.
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Carthago delenda est!: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160404134205.htm Original: http://www.qub.ac.uk/home/ceao/News/Title,631613,en.html And for those who like to rock: https://www.google.com/maps/place/C...b5c604088?hl=en
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From two weeks ago, but thanks for this! I first learned Greek from the Joint Association of Classics Teachers' Reading Greek books, and the first story was about maritime insurance fraud, so the subject has kind of a fond place in my heart. (And "τὸ πλοῖόν ἐστιν ἐν Βυζαντίῳ." will be forever etched into my memory.)
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I came across Economic Credit in Renaissance Florence today and thought other people in this thread might find it interesting, even though the subject matter's a little far in time from ancient Rome. Assuming you like reading things containing sentences like:quote:The statistical part of this study is possible because of the 1427 catasto or tax census, described at length in the path breaking book of David Herlihy and Christiane Klapisch-Zuber.
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Canemacar posted:Has anyone theorized a "What if" scenario in which Cicero did accept Ceaser's initial offer and become part of the This was posted awhile back and discussed a little, but I've been capturing up on Mike Duncan's Revolutions Podcast and for his 250th Episode he did a reader mail special where this question was asked. Duncan's response is quite interesting though the nature of the question does mean it basically boils down to,"Well if this happened, then this might have happened, but also this could have happened...." etc. The episode is on this page, episode 3.30. Also his Revolutions podcast is really good!
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What kind of law enforcement was there back in ancient Greece and Rome? I'm under the impression that there wasn't much of anything like a police force, just militias and something like a neighborhood watch. Is this correct? And if I'm a rich person and I witness someone break into my house and steal something but they manage to slip away, what do I do then? How do I track down the thief, and what do I do when I catch him?
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Blue Star posted:What kind of law enforcement was there back in ancient Greece and Rome? I'm under the impression that there wasn't much of anything like a police force, just militias and something like a neighborhood watch. Is this correct? And if I'm a rich person and I witness someone break into my house and steal something but they manage to slip away, what do I do then? How do I track down the thief, and what do I do when I catch him? About the same as if you robbed a mafia don today?
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Blue Star posted:What kind of law enforcement was there back in ancient Greece and Rome? I'm under the impression that there wasn't much of anything like a police force, just militias and something like a neighborhood watch. Is this correct? And if I'm a rich person and I witness someone break into my house and steal something but they manage to slip away, what do I do then? How do I track down the thief, and what do I do when I catch him? There were vigiles.
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feedmegin posted:About the same as if you robbed a mafia don today? And thus the Newark is the new Rome theory is proven true.
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feedmegin posted:About the same as if you robbed a mafia don today? Yep. Augustus did introduce something resembling a police/fire department but for the most part it was mob justice or you'd find a knife in your back in an alley somewhere.
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Pontius Pilate posted:And thus the Newark is the new Rome theory is proven true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLHbHEI_KSg&t=23s
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How did eunuchs become involved in the Roman Empire? That's something I always associated with imperial China.
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HalPhilipWalker posted:How did eunuchs become involved in the Roman Empire? That's something I always associated with imperial China. Everyone loves eunuchs. They don't have kids so they have less incentive to embezzle or obsess over their inheritance, they can't try and seduce the empress, they don't diddle the princes. The Byzantines didn't go crazy with them like the Chinese, but a bunch of them did achieve high office from Narses under Justinian to John the Orphan-master under Basil the Bulgar-Slayer. Course, after John was through with the empire, I guess people weren't so trusting of eunuchs any more.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yep. Augustus did introduce something resembling a police/fire department but for the most part it was mob justice or you'd find a knife in your back in an alley somewhere. Marcus Licinius Crassus actually got rich off providing a fire department. Normally, people would just toss buckets of water around, because if the house next you is on fire, better put it out it out before it spread. Crassus had a bunch of slaves trained to go firefighting. Crassus would buy houses while they were literally on fire. That's how Crassus got rich.
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