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Mr. Belding posted:While those specifics certainly didn't occur they wouldn't be terrifically outside the tone of the books. Example scenes would include the extra dimensional sex party where the Marquis de Sade asks a woman if she likes to gently caress "as a dog" and preceding Lord Mob's kidnapping when Lord Fanny brings home a spook with the intention of blowing him, but when she attempts to remove his pants he puts a gun in her mouth. She witnesses this scene from the past as a 12 year old in a drug induced magical trance. An important distinction is that most of the aberrant behavior portrayed in The Invisibles is the work of the *antagonists*, rather than Brucato's take of "here's what players should do!" And de Sade's quote is a reference to doin' it doggystyle, not literally loving a dog.
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Terrorforge posted:To be fair, it's a pretty common problem in RPG developers and it's hardly the first time a WoD book has cannibalized real-world spiritual traditions for terminology. Gnosis, jyhad, Great Work, benediction, bodhisattva, the list goes on. Or loving "vampire", "werewolf", "mage", "changeling", etc. All those things are part of real-world spiritual/religious beliefs too. The actual problem is appropriative uses, which the use of nagualli almost certainly is in Changing Breeds, but let's not get so far as to declare that it would be inappropriate for a mestizo/a or indigena author to use nagualli in their own RPG.
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Simian_Prime posted:An important distinction is that most of the aberrant behavior portrayed in The Invisibles is the work of the *antagonists*, rather than Brucato's take of "here's what players should do!" Uh.....I'm pretty sure that the Invisibles are intentionally portrayed as aberrant just as much as the Outer Church, just in a "positive" way. kaynorr fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Brainiac Five posted:Or loving "vampire", "werewolf", "mage", "changeling", etc. All those things are part of real-world spiritual/religious beliefs too. Well, Brucato seems to believe he's literally a Satyr so I'm not sure how that fits into his ethnicity.
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Kibner posted:December 12, 2015: http://theonyxpath.com/announcing-chronicles-of-darkness/ That's so weird. I had checked pretty frequently and they only had the pdf. Oh well, I ordered mine and am buzzing with excitement.
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Inzombiac posted:That's so weird. I had checked pretty frequently and they only had the pdf. Yeah, the actual physical copy only went up recently. The PDF had been there since December Edit: Maybe it was December. I just realized that I got my copy a month ago and I'm pretty sure I ended up waiting at least a month from the announcement that the physical was available Soonmot fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Mr. Belding posted:Literally all of this would happen if this took place in the universe of the Invisibles (which OWoD more or less is, at least post Mage: the Ascension). I don't know if it makes a good roleplaying game or not (probably not) but most roleplaying games don't make good roleplaying games anyway. Phil's Mage stuff largely predates or runs parallel with The Invisibles. Awakening is really the game that cleaves closer in premise to that series.
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So how would a Vampire go about condemning/bulldozing another Kindred's haven in relatively short order? Asking for a friend  edit: with influences Hipster Occultist fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Animalism for condemnation on health grounds, Celerity to cover the building in graffiti, and maybe a few dead bodies dumped outside.
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Convince/Influence/Dominate some moke into stealing a bulldozer and doing it illegally. Nothing faster than that.
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Hipster Occultist posted:So how would a Vampire go about condemning/bulldozing another Kindred's haven in relatively short order? Ironically bulldoze it to build a community center for troubled, inner city youths.
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Inzombiac posted:That's so weird. I had checked pretty frequently and they only had the pdf. Oh, if you specifically meant how long has the print version been available, February 17th. Got mine. I think they cut down some of the God-Machine Chronicle Introduction for space. Which is understandable, but kind of a shame; the GMC is still complete enough in the new CoD core that I wouldn't expect anyone to buy it standalone anymore, but the extended introduction was really good for explaining concepts that seem to confuse people in straightforward, up-front ways, with good flavor examples. Fly dude who keeps ordering pizzas and doesn't walk to talk to the delivery woman, you will be missed.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:Ironically bulldoze it to build a community center for troubled, inner city
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Hipster Occultist posted:So how would a Vampire go about condemning/bulldozing another Kindred's haven in relatively short order? If you want it 'above-board': Bureaucracy, Legal and/or Finance influence to alter records so the location is now recorded as Abandoned/Vacant/Unowned. This should waive the need to go through the time frame of informing the occupants, and offering a process for dispute/appeal by the owners. Mechanically, I would set the Influence dots required at 3 + (Owner's Safe Place Rating + Owner's Haven Rating) in total dots spent, could require teamwork.
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Hipster Occultist posted:So how would a Vampire go about condemning/bulldozing another Kindred's haven in relatively short order? Do your vampire know anybody who can hack Google?
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What's a good new thing that's fun to read? Ex. I liked Collection of Horrors. I will not read Changing Breeds or Beast
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Basic Chunnel posted:What's a good new thing that's fun to read? Ex. I liked Collection of Horrors. I will not read Changing Breeds or Beast If you haven't read the Vampire clan books they're all worth a look-over. Testament of Longinus and Rites of the Dragon are too, Dreams of Avarice if you give a poo poo about Mummy...really, it's hard to get a total squeaky fart of a book barring the really, really early blue book supplements which were sometimes good but usually just okay. Really, not knowing what you have and haven't read/enjoyed it's a lot harder to give advice.
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Can you handle gross? If so, read Slasher. It's good! I, meanwhile, have been making my way through Dark Eras. It...kind of took me a while to get out of The Sundered World because that was a great chapter. I'm also enjoying To The Strongest. That said: The poo poo y'all did to Medicine is stupid. For ancient eras, -6 to all complex uses of Medicine? Sitting that right next to 'Science works as normal except within the local worldview' was kind of, uh, dumb.
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If you haven't read the Horror Recognition Guide yet this is my semi-annual plug for it because it's great and amazing always.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:If you haven't read the Horror Recognition Guide yet this is my semi-annual plug for it because it's great and amazing always. Collection of Horrors is the bundle of SASes that go along with it, so I assume they have.
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I've been paging through Dark Eras. This is a Cool and Good Book.
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Some chapters are much better than others, though. It is hard to live up to the first two, I've been noticing.
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I really enjoyed God's Own Country, because it's nice to see New Zealand getting a look in, and in a reasonably under-represented time period, too.
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Beneath the Skin has a piece of infrastructure that's basically an ancient, trans-continental warp pad.
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I haven't delved all that much into Vampire books but I did read some of the clan lore back from VtR, the dark Catholics and the Ordo Dracul and all that fun stuff. I read through some Chronicles of Darkness copy more recently and the whole God Machine thing is right up my alley (blind and mindless Lovecraftian Gods are A+), but what I liked about Collection of Horrors was the notion that you were getting the tip of the iceberg. That's all functional, of course, but I like the open-endedness. That's what I loved about Bloodlines, though it's neither here nor there - you're constantly brushing up against expansive things that aren't explored in detail. I love a well-built world. I remember being interested in Slasher, though when I read these things I typically try and arrange some sort of game in my head and the idea of a slasher villain is just a little too compact for my tastes - it works as a "bottle episode" sort of jumping off point, quick and dirty, but I have a harder time trying to link that concept with the grander idea of WoD that I enjoy, which is that of a world with ominous and unknowable things around blind corners, but a world that must still be lived in. Admittedly if you turned Zodiac into a WoD it would work exceptionally well, but the concept seems much more tailored to Candyman than Hannibal. Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Beneath the Skin has a piece of infrastructure that's basically an ancient, trans-continental warp pad. The Steven Universe Demon game looking good.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Beneath the Skin has a piece of infrastructure that's basically an ancient, trans-continental warp pad. Beneath the Skin is one of the real standout chapters so far, for me, along with The Sundered World and To The Strongest. Three Kingdoms of Darkness is neat but doesn't match them, Constantinople is...well, kind of meh, sadly, due to its lack of focus on useful hooks. Viking chapter was a real disappointment. Elizabethan Vampire is...well, it's Vampire in Elizabethan England, it has some interesting stuff and the Changeling court stuff is neat. I haven't gotten further than that, yet.
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Basic Chunnel posted:I remember being interested in Slasher, though when I read these things I typically try and arrange some sort of game in my head and the idea of a slasher villain is just a little too compact for my tastes - it works as a "bottle episode" sort of jumping off point, quick and dirty, but I have a harder time trying to link that concept with the grander idea of WoD that I enjoy, which is that of a world with ominous and unknowable things around blind corners, but a world that must still be lived in. Admittedly if you turned Zodiac into a WoD it would work exceptionally well, but the concept seems much more tailored to Candyman than Hannibal. One of the example Slashers is my hook into the greater world: he and a number of other killers are attempting to reconstruct a mysterious and otherworldly map which is contained within the lives and bodies of those they kill, and trawl US highways for victims in an effort to finish the map first.
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Basically all of Demon: the Descent is really good if you haven't gotten to that.
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Alright I'm taking a look at the Demon Storyteller's Guide and Lore of the Clans. I also picked up something called "Dread Names. Red List" on a lark
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You seem to have already picked some stuff, but Midnight Roads is one of my favorite CoD books in general and worth checking out.
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Mors Rattus posted:Some chapters are much better than others, though. It is hard to live up to the first two, I've been noticing. I (the Developer of those first two) will take that as a compliment.
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Dave Brookshaw posted:I (the Developer of those first two) will take that as a compliment. How did the development of this book work? Did each line dev handle their sections of the book? Was there a "master architect" for the book as well? Any idea where the Companion is in development?
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Nystral posted:How did the development of this book work? Did each line dev handle their sections of the book? Was there a "master architect" for the book as well? Yeah - so every Era was effectively run as a miniature book, with a Dev who hired it out to one or more writers, did the art notes, etc. Matt McFarland acted as the project's coordinator. The Companion is written and edited, and last I heard was waiting for Art to come in. Dave Brookshaw fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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So, my views: Dark Era Tiers Best: The Sundered World, To The Strongest, Beneath the Skin Decent: Three Kingdoms of Darkness, Requiem for Regina, Fallen Blossoms, A Grimm Dark Era, God's Own Country Disappointing: After the Fall, Bowery Dogs Bad: Lily, Sabre and Thorn, Doubting Souls, The Wolf and the Raven. I have to go back and do closer reads of Into the Cold, A Handful of Dust and The Ruins of Empire before I can make solid decisions there. E: After the Fall and Bowery Dogs suffer mainly from being, well, history texts before they provide too much of game use. They are good history texts, however. Wolf and the Raven suffers a lot from lack of good stuff for game use and a few bits that are noticeably bad, like the whole 'you might be gay' condition. Lily, Sabre and Thorn is just...it is not good, it is 1e rules and this bizarre take on The Three Musketeers rather than either history or actual literary convention. Doubting Souls is real bad, it is the most boring takes and several of the compacts are just 'X, but older and more colonial', like Les Voyageurs are 'The Bear Lodge, but Quebecois'. Plus the Native American/First Nations groups are just written in the most boring ways. This isn't to say the other chapters are perfect - I found Requiem for Regina too on-the-nose for a lot of vampire stuff, like it felt like barely an alt-setting rather than 'just run Vampire, but in the past', and Fallen Blossoms has 'the Lucifuge, but Japanese', but they all had parts that I felt shone past that. Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Draxion posted:You seem to have already picked some stuff, but Midnight Roads is one of my favorite CoD books in general and worth checking out. Most of the "blue book" World of Darkness books are great. Mysterious Places, Asylum, Mirrors, Antagonists, Second Sight, Innocents, etc.
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