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Man of Steel is just like Les Miserables. The only scenes you should watch are the ones with Russell Crowe in them. [but for different reasons]
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Mar 28, 2016 21:05
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I feel like the destruction in Man of Steel was vastly overemphasized by critics. Every Superhero Movie has had huge amounts of destruction; cities and poo poo get wrecked in Transformers movies too, nobody seemed to care. Superman cartoon had him getting thrown through buildings every Saturday morning. The problems with Man of Steel weren't in its violence, it was in the overly somber tone. I liked it, but it's clear most people didn't.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:08
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I feel like the destruction in Man of Steel was vastly overemphasized by critics. Every Superhero Movie has had huge amounts of destruction; cities and poo poo get wrecked in Transformers movies too, nobody seemed to care. Superman cartoon had him getting thrown through buildings every Saturday morning. "The incredibly lovely Transformers movies were just as bad" isn't a solid foundation on which to build an argument that Man of Steel wasn't a toilet made of turds. Also, both Avengers movies had the heroes doing heroic poo poo to save lives. Being Of PURE GOOD Superman straight up murdered thousands of people while alcoholic Tony Stark and Being of PURE RAGE Hulk mitigated loss of human life and protected the people. Man of Steel is trash garbage and anyone that likes it is an edgy juggalo teen.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:15
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:My favorite part of comic-con is going up to the nerds in Rorschach costumes and telling them I'm also a huge Juggallo. This dude goes to Comic-con and pwns those fuckin nerds! Badass.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:16
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:"The incredibly lovely Transformers movies were just as bad" isn't a solid foundation on which to build an argument that Man of Steel wasn't a toilet made of turds. I only compare them in that both had large amounts of urban destruction, but one was criticized for the unseen bodycount and violence and one wasn't. People got sold on some preconceived notion of Superman, which I felt was a shallow criticism of Man of Steel, which has its own, more holistic faults and strengths that warranted better inspection.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:19
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I only compare them in that both had large amounts of urban destruction, but one was criticized for the unseen bodycount and violence and one wasn't. People got sold on some preconceived notion of Superman, which I felt was a shallow criticism of Man of Steel, which has its own, more holistic faults and strengths that warranted better inspection. CD is that way bro
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Mar 28, 2016 21:22
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My favorite part of furry-con is dressing up as a bunny and then telling the furpeople that I'm a huge homo. This owns them
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Mar 28, 2016 21:24
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8-Bit Scholar posted:I only compare them in that both had large amounts of urban destruction, but one was criticized for the unseen bodycount and violence and one wasn't. People got sold on some preconceived notion of Superman, which I felt was a shallow criticism of Man of Steel, which has its own, more holistic faults and strengths that warranted better inspection. it's a total and complete mystery why people had "preconceived notions" about how a character who has had huge cultural resonance for nearly 80 years should be handled if people respond badly to your handling of that character it is in fact possibly a sign that you hosed up rather than that the plebs were just too unsophisticated to handle your vision
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Mar 28, 2016 21:25
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WB just posted one of the deleted scenes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s It features Lex communing with Steppenwolf, Darkseid's military advisor and one of the New Gods. This likely explains why Lex is batshit crazy at the end of the film when he gets locked in prison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steppenwolf_%28comics%29 LGD posted:it's a total and complete mystery why people had "preconceived notions" about how a character who has had huge cultural resonance for nearly 80's should be handled Not just the character but also the entire genre.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:25
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more lke 2 bit scholar
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Mar 28, 2016 21:27
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:WB just posted one of the deleted scenes Uhhhhhhh jfc thats a pretty huge loving scene to excise. Extended cut may actually be pretty bonkers if this is the sort of stuff they left out.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:27
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Lord Binky posted:My favorite part of furry-con is dressing up as a bunny and then telling the furpeople that I'm a huge homo. This owns them oh word you too?
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Mar 28, 2016 21:28
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:WB just posted one of the deleted scenes i'm sure the 3 hour cut is going to solve every problem with the movie *eats a large bowl of poo poo* that was really bad, but maybe if it were an enormous bowl of poo poo, it would be good.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:28
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:WB just posted one of the deleted scenes What the Christ? The film was so badly edited Warner Bros. couldn't wait until the pre-planned "Director's Cut" to drop a scene like this, they had to post it on YouTube on the first week of release.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:30
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bring back old gbs posted:Extended cut may actually be pretty bonkers if this is the sort of stuff they left out.  Otisburg posted:i'm sure the 3 hour cut is going to solve every problem with the movie Hey I did a big  post in CD about why violence is usually acceptable in Marvel films but whips up all sorts of "NOT MY BATMAN!" complaints in DC filmsSnowglobe of Doom posted:The MCU films resolve themselves by killing/destroying the villains almost every time - Iron Man kills Stane/Iron Monger, Iron Man 2 blows up Ivan Vanko/Whiplash, Captain America implodes the Red Skull with the Tesseract, Guardians of the Galaxy vaporise Ronan, Ant-Man violently crushes Yellowjacket by sabotaging his shrinking equipment, etc etc.. They solve the supervillain problem by just making them go away because they're operating under standard comicbook/action movie rules where killing the irredeemable villain is framed as being good and right and justified. When Marvel superheroes complete their trials they look like this:
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Mar 28, 2016 21:31
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Hey I did a big
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Mar 28, 2016 21:40
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:(And apparently there's hilarious cutaways during the boss fight where they keep cutting to Batman going "thank god that building was EMPTY, viewers at home!") Moments after he shot a dude with a machinegun, stabbed a goon in the heart and crushed ten other dudes with his bat-Tank. Hahaha.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:41
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Sure, you can see deeply flawed men making terrible decisions that result in the deaths of thousands of people on C-Span every day. So our escapist comic book movies about good people doing good for a change is very bad. We need Superman dropping buildings on children. That's what real life is like. And comic books and high adventures and tales of wonder should accurately reflect that life is poo poo. What kind of rear end in a top hat thinks Superman shouldn't pulverize kids into liquid poo poo under 5 million tons of rubble? Babies that don't understand art (aka realism), that's who.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:48
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Domestic weekend: Also note that all the other films in the top 9 opening weekend slots all made more than a billion worldwide in total, as did a bunch of other films that had way worse openings. At this point it's pretty much impossible to predict how its domestic box office will go.  Early reports are that it's making mad bank in the international markets so maybe that'll make up any shortfall it may have on home ground.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:52
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Stuff like "but it happens in the comics" is dumb too because 5% of the movie going audience reads the comics and Superman as a cultural mythology is bigger than the comics ever were. Also comics are specifically pandering to stunted manchildren in a way even Hollywood movies even aren't
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Mar 28, 2016 21:52
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Please enjoy my new Punisher film where Frank Castle comes back from Iraq with PTSD and gunshots cause him to freak out and piss his pants and he spends the whole movie trying different combinations of meds and filling out VA benefits forms. It's more accurate than the cheesy comics and the brutal reality portrayed in his scene where he falls through the cracks in veteran care and overdoses on heroin, I feel, really captures the character of Frank Castle.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:54
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LGD posted:it's a total and complete mystery why people had "preconceived notions" about how a character who has had huge cultural resonance for nearly 80 years should be handled Well, in his long history in comic books Superman has basically played every conceivable role you could have him play, hero, villain, something in between. He's had somber and sad portrayals, cheery and cheesy ones, etc etc. Superman Returns was the Christopher Reeve love fest that people seem to want Man of Steel to be and it was a boring and plodding brick of a film. They went to the opposite extreme and people suddenly claim they always wanted it to be the way it just was that they didn't like.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:54
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Well, in his long history in comic books Superman has basically played every conceivable role you could have him play, hero, villain, something in between. He's had somber and sad portrayals, cheery and cheesy ones, etc etc. Perhaps the truth is somewhere... In.... The.... Middle.........
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Mar 28, 2016 21:56
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Please enjoy my new Punisher film where Frank Castle comes back from Iraq with PTSD and gunshots cause him to freak out and piss his pants and he spends the whole movie trying different combinations of meds and filling out VA benefits forms. There's a great scene in the new series of Daredevil where they're representing Frank Castle in court and they're planning on attempting a PTSD defence and Frank just goes "Nope, we're not going to do that. It's insulting to people who actually do have PTSD."
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Mar 28, 2016 21:58
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the worst thing i can say about man of steel is it makes superman returns look amazing because at least superman returns had a couple scenes where i felt like i was watching superman. again it's like that fleischer retrospective i linked earlier said - the story surrounding superman can be complex but the strength of the character is how straightforward he is "a guy from kansas doing the right thing". people who think man of steel made him more humanized or realistic have a pretty lovely view of humanity since the big blue boy scout is a rejection of the idea that power corrupts and that being raised by good people can produce a good person no matter their circumstances of birth. superman is possibly the most human of all the superheroes.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:58
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Young Freud posted:What the Christ? The film was so badly edited Warner Bros. couldn't wait until the pre-planned "Director's Cut" to drop a scene like this, they had to post it on YouTube on the first week of release. Kanye setting trends with his album patches, can't wait til we get Batman V Superman 1.1 in the theater.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:59
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In Man of Steel, why didn't they shoot a nuke at the terraforming ship in the middle of the Indian Ocean again?
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Mar 28, 2016 22:00
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Groovelord Neato posted:the worst thing i can say about man of steel is it makes superman returns look amazing because at least superman returns had a couple scenes where i felt like i was watching superman. As many problems as Returns has, that scene of him getting shot in the eye will always be loving awesome. And as someone who grew up with a complete VHS of the Fleicher animations I completely agree they were the best Supes thing ever.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:03
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awesome scenes in returns where i felt like i was watching a superman movie: shot in the eye saving the shuttle flying up into space and listening to the world pulling the boat out of the ocean getting all juiced up on mother sun and throwing the kryptonite island out into space
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Mar 28, 2016 22:06
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Groovelord Neato posted:flying up into space and listening to the world This. BvS would have immensely improved if they had just shown a scene of Superman guarding the world and caring about humanity like that.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:08
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Groovelord Neato posted:awesome scenes in returns where i felt like i was watching a superman movie: All this, plus the reveal that Lois' kid is in definitely Clark's son.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:27
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ruddiger posted:Kanye setting trends with his album patches, can't wait til we get Batman V Superman 1.1 in the theater. It's nice to know that "beta in a box" releases are now leaking out of the software and video game industry and into entertainment as a whole.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:32
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DC fanboys are still defending the film on my facebook, I thought about why the discussion seemed so familiar until it hit me BvS is DCs version of Star Wars Episode 1, the fanboy behavior is almost exactly the same
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Mar 28, 2016 22:33
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Well, in his long history in comic books Superman has basically played every conceivable role you could have him play, hero, villain, something in between. He's had somber and sad portrayals, cheery and cheesy ones, etc etc. It's almost like the wide range of portrayals he's had means the dichotomy you've presented is false The point isn't that you have to adhere to the "real" superman or that you can't put your own spin on him, leaving him a static cardboard cutout who can't be used to make good commercial pop art, it's that if you're using him as a character you 100% cannot avoid dealing with his mainstream conception you can choose to play into it and offer an appealing version of what people expect with the usual minor tweaks based on the actor portraying him or the story you're telling, or you can meaningfully deviate from it- but if you do the latter you'd better be drat sure the version of the character you're offering has real appeal and that the movie you're making implicitly explains why he's different (and you should also strongly consider why you're using the character to tell that story- it's often a story that would be better told with different characters entirely or a self-referential commentary on the genre/character, which don't seem like stories that should be used to launch the flagship title of a shared cinematic universe) if you present an alternate version of such a storied character that a wide swathe of people respond badly to (because they find it unappealing and doesn't ring true to their preconception of who the character is) then that's absolutely on you for both failing to meet your audience's expectations and failing to subvert them a sufficiently entertaining/engaging/diverting manner, not on them for failing to abandon any preconceptions of what this character might be like LGD fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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Mar 28, 2016 22:35
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Father Wendigo posted:I will stand by Spiderman 3 for the sole purpose of being the most comic accurate portrayal of Peter Parker: a man who, in a city of nearly eight and a half million people, still manages to distinguish himself as the most insufferable dork to draw breath. Don't you dare look away!  Be careful for what you ask, Lowtax could be lurking for material for Doom House 3!
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Mar 28, 2016 22:36
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Honestly I'll take MoS over Returns any day of the week. Say what you want about accurate comic book movie portrayals, a movie has to be slightly more interesting than watching flies gently caress before we get into comparative analysis.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:42
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Man, I really want a Fleischer style Superman movie now I want Superman to punch a goddamn laser back into a laser cannon and then tie the barrel in a knot. That was loving sick. EDIT: Also, whatever happened to Superhero Themes? Right now I bet you can sing the Donner Superman or Burton Batman theme in your head. Quick, sing the Man of Steel theme. Sing the Avengers theme. See what I mean? We need good memorable themes again. Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Mar 28, 2016 |
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Mar 28, 2016 22:44
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Man, I really want a Fleischer style Superman movie now I'd love that a whole lot, but happily settle for Dini, which in and of itself was just a love letter to Fleischer
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Mar 28, 2016 22:46
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Mel Mudkiper posted:EDIT: Also, whatever happened to Superhero Themes? Right now I bet you can sing the Donner Superman or Burton Batman theme in your head. Quick, sing the Man of Steel theme. Sing the Avengers theme. See what I mean? We need good memorable themes again. The John Williams Superman theme is p. good/recognizable though, but I think your general point is correct further support- Deadpool was the best superhero movie this year and had a recognizable theme song (it was a 90's-esque rap theme re-purposed from a fan-created song about a videogame but for that character/movie was 100% right)
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LGD posted:The John Williams Superman theme is p. good/recognizable though, but I think your general point is correct That is the Donner theme
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