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Rinkles posted:The thread actually was more positive than I remembered. Sharzak posted:Part of the fun of spoiler season is speculating about what will fit where and which cards will be good. Bringing poo poo up from a long rear end time ago as some sort of Gotcha is uncouth and gay.
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JerryLee posted:Now that Scry is evergreen it'd be cool if they went for a while with Dissolve being the "default" counter in Standard-legal sets, sort of like Cancel was. Dissolve was much better than anything we have in standard now. Even Disdainful Stroke which i enjoyed playing a good deal is out.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:41
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Maybe learn to follow the conversation/read better?
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Mar 28, 2016 20:41
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Angry Grimace posted:Counterspells are a little dubious right now anyways, I imagine. Draw-Go counterspells are something they've moved away from since the UW Revelation era (which was one of the best draw-go style decks in memory). There's still an Esper Dragons variant people are testing out and it isn't really a counterspell deck. Yeah old school control is definitely out imo. More than the lack of sweet counterspells we are missing a truly great finisher like Aetherling to let them mop up. Sphinx of the Final word certainly doesn't get there. More generally, since the invention of planeswalkers the viability of a pure wrath-counter-draw style control deck has been greatly diminished too. I'm actually pretty high on Epiphany at the Drownyard. I'd love to try it with that mage-ring storage land.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:43
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Rinkles posted:Maybe learn to follow the conversation/read better? i followed the conversation and declared it to be retarded, in my post. it is you who must learn to read.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:43
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Sharzak posted:i followed the conversation and declared it to be retarded, in my post. it is you who must learn to read. you know approximately zero people are going to treat you seriously if you're using gay and retarded as pejoratives right?
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Mar 28, 2016 20:44
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Sharzak posted:i followed the conversation and declared it to be retarded, in my post. it is you who must learn to read. So "fun, maybe unfair" didn't tip you off as to the tone? As in not some sort of "gay and uncouth" "gotcha"?
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Mar 28, 2016 20:46
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Yeah old school control is definitely out imo. More than the lack of sweet counterspells we are missing a truly great finisher like Aetherling to let them mop up. Sphinx of the Final word certainly doesn't get there. Epiphany at the Drownyard is the most obnoxious card. Opponent casts it; you sit there for 5 minutes while they loving fiddle around.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:03
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What's wrong with Ojutai control? We still have Clash of Wills and Counterspell in the format.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:04
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Angry Grimace posted:Epiphany at the Drownyard is the most obnoxious card. Opponent casts it; you sit there for 5 minutes while they loving fiddle around. Just remember that they are casting it over Dig Through Time or something actually good.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:14
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I was pretty high on Jace, though I don't know (or care) if I actually posted anything in here saying as much. Telex posted:you know approximately zero people are going to treat you seriously if you're using gay and retarded as pejoratives right?
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Mar 28, 2016 21:38
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I was playing the flip Jace in Modern about a week after I originally thought it was bad.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:41
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I wrote down in my journal that Jace, Vryn's Prodigy would be a standard staple, good card, worth 80 USD. I won't share with you any proof of this because my journal is private and all must keep out.
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just rust posted:I wrote down in my journal that Jace, Vryn's Prodigy would be a standard staple, good card, worth 80 USD. I won't share with you any proof of this because my journal is private and all must keep out. Is this what you found, just rust? - Jace Beleren
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Mar 28, 2016 21:44
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This one is a lot of fun to play. A lot of these cards go from middling to bad to just being great once you hit Delirium. Traverse the Ulvenwald and Mindwrack Demon are the most fun cards. Deck: GB Delirium   //Lands 3 Caves of Koilos 4 Evolving Wilds 3 Forest 4 Hissing Quagmire 4 Llanowar Wastes 5 Swamp 1 Wastes //Spells 4 Dead Weight 2 Grasp of Darkness 3 Spatial Contortion 3 To the Slaughter 4 Traverse the Ulvenwald //Creatures 4 Deathcap Cultivator 3 Kindly Stranger 4 Mindwrack Demon 4 Reality Smasher 4 Thought-Knot Seer 1 Tooth Collector //Sideboard 3 Pick the Brain 1 To the Slaughter 2 Infinite Obliteration 1 Ob Nixilis Reignited 4 Matter Reshaper 3 Duress  Display deck statistics
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Mar 28, 2016 22:01
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What's wrong with Ojutai control? We still have Clash of Wills and Counterspell in the format. The loss of Crux of Fate, I'd wager. You still have Languish, but it still gets Ojutai if you don't go turn 4-5 with them.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:08
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Angry Grimace posted:This one is a lot of fun to play. A lot of these cards go from middling to bad to just being great once you hit Delirium. Traverse the Ulvenwald and Mindwrack Demon are the most fun cards. Something that's always bothered me so I'm going to ask, why the Caves? There's nothing that needs white so why not just basic swamps?
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Mar 28, 2016 22:20
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It taps for a colorless.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:21
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I don't know why everyone is so aggressive on this jace thing when there are some goddawful posters topping the most posts list in this thread. Myself included. Also, rg ramp with the werewolf lady and Chandra is a blast but I don't really want to pay standard premium prices for those walkers.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:23
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Angry Grimace posted:This one is a lot of fun to play. A lot of these cards go from middling to bad to just being great once you hit Delirium. Traverse the Ulvenwald and Mindwrack Demon are the most fun cards. I've been playing with a straight GB list that feels really tight, runs a ton of tutors, and curves out with Gitrog. Gitrog is a massive draw engine on a massive body and should see a lot of love. Bonus value of casting a Mindwrack WITH Gitrog out, or a Gather the Pack with Gitrog out.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:30
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whydirt posted:I love living in a world where a single poster can go from saying a creature is unplayable upon its release to defending it as the best creature in Standard. If this thread had been around 16 years ago, we'd have seen this with Blastoderm. There's nothing new under the sun.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:36
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If Gitrog had trample I'd probably try playing it in a modern abzan value creature list with Knight of the Reliquary. Having your big ol' 5 drop get chumped by young pyro tokens or whatever else sucks in modern, though.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:39
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Angry Grimace posted:This one is a lot of fun to play. A lot of these cards go from middling to bad to just being great once you hit Delirium. Traverse the Ulvenwald and Mindwrack Demon are the most fun cards. This is magical I'm glad I get to play on the MTGO beta so I can play with dumb decks like this.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:40
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JerryLee posted:If this thread had been around 16 years ago, we'd have seen this with Blastoderm. There's nothing new under the sun. In politics we call them flip-floppers; in wizard poker, double faced cards.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:41
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For prerelease, most of you use check cards or sleeve up DFCs?
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Mar 28, 2016 22:44
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I always bring sleeves so I don't have to worry about damaging anything I open.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:48
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sarmhan posted:I always bring sleeves so I don't have to worry about damaging anything I open. I meant whether you use checkcards even when using (opaque) sleeves. Taking out cards to make sure you read them right seems like a hassle.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:51
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JerryLee posted:If this thread had been around 16 years ago, we'd have seen this with Blastoderm. There's nothing new under the sun. To be fair Blastoderm wasn't all that good in the meta until they printed Fires of Yavimaya
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Mar 28, 2016 22:52
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Fingers McLongDong posted:If Gitrog had trample I'd probably try playing it in a modern abzan value creature list with Knight of the Reliquary. Having your big ol' 5 drop get chumped by young pyro tokens or whatever else sucks in modern, though. I'm thinking that the green value creature of the set will be the 3/3 that gives a 3/3 token whenever it attacks. A bit rough that it dies to bolt but after 1 attack you're in value town. For the gitrog, I think I'd rather be playing that legend that gives you a 5/3 whenever a land goes to the yard (if you're playing in a loam shell) or thragtusk otherwise.
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Rinkles posted:For prerelease, most of you use check cards or sleeve up DFCs? Depends on the deck, if it's just one or two and my deck is value, using dark sleeves should be fine (and it's Pre-release so who cares). If it's a crappy Aggro deck, I'll use check cards and not sleeves. If I'm playing a very transform heavy deck (werewolf or otherwise), I'd probably make sure I have dark enough sleeves or get checklist cards. The awkward thing is that since Checklist cards probably won't be hyper available (like last time for Innistrad sealed) you'll have to either beg other players for theirs or hope it isn't obvious through your sleeves.
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Rinkles posted:I meant whether you use checkcards even when using (opaque) sleeves. Taking out cards to make sure you read them right seems like a hassle.
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Count Bleck posted:You got a list on hand? Big Red is one of the decks I wanted to try out. I put it in the brewhaus, but here you go. http://deckstats.net/decks/53561/454870-big-red-prodding
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Logicblade posted:I put it in the brewhaus, but here you go. I like it.
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:I'm thinking that the green value creature of the set will be the 3/3 that gives a 3/3 token whenever it attacks. A bit rough that it dies to bolt but after 1 attack you're in value town. For the gitrog, I think I'd rather be playing that legend that gives you a 5/3 whenever a land goes to the yard (if you're playing in a loam shell) or thragtusk otherwise. Titania isn't modern legal and only triggers when a land goes to the 'yard from play.
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Keep in mind Gitrog triggers when a land hits the yard from ANYWHERE. Pop a fetch? Draw. Ghost quarter? Draw. LotV? Draw. Lose that manland? Draw. Self mill? Draw. Even in standard it can be a huge engine. That profitably blocks even Reality Smasher on curve.
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Rinkles posted:For prerelease, most of you use check cards or sleeve up DFCs? I'll probably sleeve as I did in old Innistrad limited. Never felt flipping the card in and out of the sleeve was more than a minor inconvinience at worst.
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So far, I don't think Arlinn Kord is particularly good. The flippy poo poo is mostly just a novelty that actually impedes the card's ability to help you do anything useful.
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Balon posted:Keep in mind Gitrog triggers when a land hits the yard from ANYWHERE. Pop a fetch? Draw. Ghost quarter? Draw. LotV? Draw. Lose that manland? Draw. Self mill? Draw. It also triggers off of Retrace. Probably not hot enough for Modern but Raven's Crime cantripping is scary in concept.
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Angry Grimace posted:So far, I don't think Arlinn Kord is particularly good. The flippy poo poo is mostly just a novelty that actually impedes the card's ability to help you do anything useful. There is a Vs video behind the SCG paywall with Tom Ross running Arlinn Kord in a rg midrange build with hangar back, thopter engineer, mom & dad, sylvan advocates, with bfz nissa and Chandra. Arlinn Kord looked great in that deck, flip side plus was pretty much game over each time
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:To be fair Blastoderm wasn't all that good in the meta until they printed Fires of Yavimaya This has very little to do with the printing of Fires of Yavimaya in Invasion block and a lot more to do with Urza's block rotating with the printing of Fires of Yavimaya and the rest of Invasion block.
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