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Discendo Vox posted:Word of warning, the first and third are both claims with origins in sovcit-land, just in case you didn't know. Yeah any talk like that around me that isn't ironic sends up major red flags and leads to immediate follow on questions.
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Follow up? Noooo don't engage them
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Mar 27, 2016 16:42
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Yeah I didn't engage. What's the point, especially when your agency may be run by people who believe the same things.
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Mar 27, 2016 16:45
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:My neighbors are posting on Nextdoor about how red light cameras are unconstitutional, speed bumps represent the nanny state, and driving is traveling - transportation is commercial only. Those people always cry the hardest when you try to take away their social security and Medicare
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Mar 27, 2016 18:18
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Discendo Vox posted:Word of warning, the first and third are both claims with origins in sovcit-land, just in case you didn't know.
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Mar 27, 2016 19:20
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gvibes posted:On the red light camera thing, I think you could make a decent argument that certain implementations are unconstitutional. A court found the Chicago red light camera system violated due process. But given the last point in particular, yeah, probably sovcit. Red light cameras have been found unconstitutional in Minnesota and are mostly being found wanting in California too.
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Soothing Vapors posted:my criminal clients almost universally understand what they did wrong and peacefully accept their grim fates Where you been, bae?
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Mar 27, 2016 23:55
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Haven't heard about this deposition before. Definitively going down as a classic. Youtube link.
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Mar 28, 2016 03:01
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yronic heroism posted:Which is a little surprising because any DV prosecution is a free shot at your ex (Toona take note) paid for by the state, but I guess some folks want to preserve the family name or whatever. Here we set most DV cases down for trial regardless of the evidence because usually the witnesses don't bother to show up.
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Mar 28, 2016 03:52
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Zarkov Cortez posted:Here we set most DV cases down for trial regardless of the evidence because usually the witnesses don't bother to show up. There was a DV trial here last week. The victim didn't show up. The guy was found guilty and got 55 years.
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Mar 28, 2016 15:55
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joat mon posted:There was a DV trial here last week. The victim didn't show up. The guy was found guilty and got 55 years. Was the evidence that substantial that they didn't even need a victim to testify?
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Mar 28, 2016 17:04
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Was the victim dead?
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calvus posted:Was the evidence that substantial that they didn't even need a victim to testify? After it spilled out of the house and onto the porch and front yard, the neighbor who called 911 stayed on the line to give the play-by-play. It was still going on when the police arrived. Defendant had two misdemeanor DV priors, a felony DV prior and a felony drug distribution prior. The offer was 4 running concurrently with the 10 he owed for the probation revocation on the distribution case. Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Was the victim dead?
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Mar 28, 2016 18:23
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Independent witness DVs are the worst.
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nm posted:Independent witness DVs are the worst. "He does this all the time."
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joat mon posted:After it spilled out of the house and onto the porch and front yard, the neighbor who called 911 stayed on the line to give the play-by-play. It was still going on when the police arrived. He sounds like w classy dude
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Mar 28, 2016 21:27
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joat mon posted:There was a DV trial here last week. The victim didn't show up. The guy was found guilty and got 55 years. joat mon posted:After it spilled out of the house and onto the porch and front yard, the neighbor who called 911 stayed on the line to give the play-by-play. It was still going on when the police arrived. I don't understand how that could be a possible sentence.
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Zarkov Cortez posted:I don't understand how that could be a possible sentence. Just a guess: Guy was on probation for distributing drugs. If he hosed up he could receive up to 10 years in prison. He violated the terms of his probation by, among other things, picking up a new offense (domestic violence). I'm also assuming that he was subject to some sort of 3 strikes rule and his range of punishment on the DV case was enhanced due to prior convictions. The offer was 4 years in prison on the DV charge to run concurrent with the 10 years in prison he'd receive on the probation violation. Guy rejected the deal, rolled the dice at trial and lost. Got 55 years on the DV charge with his priors.
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GamingHyena posted:Just a guess: Yep. First DV is a misdemeanor, second one is a felony that carries 0-4. (Defendant picked up his second misdo before he had a conviction on his first, hence two misdos) One prior felony pushes the base 0-4 to 0-10. A second prior felony pushes the base 0-4 to 4-life. DA asked for 20, then asked the jury to add a zero, then to add another zero.
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Mar 29, 2016 02:32
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joat mon posted:Yep. First DV is a misdemeanor, second one is a felony that carries 0-4. (Defendant picked up his second misdo before he had a conviction on his first, hence two misdos) lmao the worst non-homicide domestic I've ever dealt with up here was a decade worth of charges, including aggravated assault, and he got 3 years even with his page-long record.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:lmao the worst non-homicide domestic I've ever dealt with up here was a decade worth of charges, including aggravated assault, and he got 3 years even with his page-long record. Well enjoy your magical utopia of unenhancable charges and reasonable punishments, because it isn't that way everywhere. In Oklahoma, your second weed charge, REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT, is a felony where you're looking at 2-10 years in prison. Always a fun learning experience for people from Colorado visiting the Sooner State. In Texas, two prior prison trips means that getting involved in a dispute over an air conditioner repair bill can result in a life sentence (though to be fair, today you'd "only" be looking at 25-life instead of an automatic life sentence).
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When you guys talk about sentences the timescales are shocking to me. It's a completely different world. Up here the longest sentence I've personally seen on a probation violation is 9 months, and that was truly egregious.
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GamingHyena posted:
There is also a proposed ballot measure that would put to a popular vote whether or not to make all drug possession a misdemeanor with no enhancements for priors. Unfortunately, it's probably not going to get enough Gleri posted:When you guys talk about sentences the timescales are shocking to me. It's a completely different world. Up here the longest sentence I've personally seen on a probation violation is 9 months, and that was truly egregious. Oklahoma also has the two longest sentences in the US: 30,000 years and 20,750 years. joat mon fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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joat mon posted:No, it's ok, OK decriminalized marijuana a couple years ago. Now, if it's been more than 10 years since your last one, it's only 0-5. Those sentences may seem grotesquely disproportionate and the stuff of a grim third world nation, but stiff sentences are why no one in the US ever uses drugs now, ever!
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Hey so did Alabama just put into motion a law that would make marriage a civil contract between two people and you could in fact have a weird contract with arbitration for offenses etc.. https://legiscan.com/AL/text/SB143/2016 Bills weird as poo poo. It looks to me that it has a minimum requirement ,but that additional things could be written into the civil contract like husbands duties, wifes duties etc..
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joat mon posted:No, it's ok, OK decriminalized marijuana a couple years ago. Now, if it's been more than 10 years since your last one, it's only 0-5. Jesus gently caress. Even our Republicans have realized that spending $40k per year to house someone for crack, even if they are *black*, is a waste of money. Much less for the rest of someone's loving life. I'd run the 8th Amendment argument into the ground on that bullshit, you'll lose, but there is an old rear end case from when the Philippines were part of the US that would support that argument. That is just such insane bullshit.
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I have guys in family court looking at 48 hours jail and probation for abuse, and six months in district court for driving without a license (with a billion priors, but still).
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nm posted:Jesus gently caress. Even our Republicans have realized that spending $40k per year to house someone for crack, even if they are *black*, is a waste of money. Much less for the rest of someone's loving life. A few more D-appointed justices, and that'd get rid of LWOP for these petty felonies
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Hollismason posted:Hey so did Alabama just put into motion a law that would make marriage a civil contract between two people and you could in fact have a weird contract with arbitration for offenses etc.. Well it could help people lay out the expectations for marriage and make divorce way easier
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Today was the second weirdest day of law I've ever practiced. Dad hires me, Mom hires someone who has never done family law before. We default Mom in the initial custody order hearing because she and her attorney don't show up. We default her to "She has the kid, Dad has expanded standard visitation, he pays guideline child support." They get mad. We send over an offer that says "Hey, keep things the way they are, and also here's a 55/45 property split in your favor." She doesn't respond. I say "Fine, let's set a trial date." The opposing counsel refuses. I file a motion to set a trial date and finally she shows up and the judge sets a trial date, which was today. I send over an offer (hugely proportional split in favor of mom) and they don't respond for 60 days, when they send over a counter-offer. We say "NOPE." See you in trial, suckers. There's the background. Trial is today. Yesterday, I get a call from OC that says "Mom wants to fire me and get new counsel." Fine. I tell her to do an agreed motion for continuance and show her rear end up anyway because who knows what the judge is going to do. She shows up, the judge says "Fine. But ya'll going to trial on April 11, April 25, or June 12." The lawyer says "I want a jury trial for cruelty and adultery." I say "You blew your deadline for that." She says "It's your fault, we had a settlement" and launches into the history of settlement negotiations. The judge tells her to shut up. She then says "We can do a jury trial if our trial date is in June." The judge smiles and says "June? Did I say June? I meant April." She says "The new lawyer want to depose his client." I say "1) You blew that deadline; and 2) You ain't him." The judge says "Trial on the 25th, he has until the 11th to depose your guy, go get dates from him." Fine. We go in a conference room. We pull out a phone and OC freaks out. "I can't do this. I can't do this." "Why?" "I'm having a medical emergency. I'm leaking. I have fibroids." "FINE poo poo JUST GO DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO I'LL TAKE CARE OF THE REST." I go back into the court. "Judge, she's having a medical emergency. Just tell me to get it done by April 11th." "Go get it done." "I'm sorry, Judge." "I practiced family law too, Mr. Scraps. Par for the course."
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I gave my notice to take an in-house gig on March 17th. My last day is April 1. However, the firm is extracting their pound of flesh on the way out, and I keep offering it up on a silver platter. I have worked until 2am or later 6 of the last 11 nights, including both Easter and the night before. I don't even know why. What are they going to do, fire me? Yell at me? Tell me I won't make partner? Sure, I have a pile of work that the client wants done by the end of the fiscal year (March 31), but who cares? All of the partners in my group are on vacation since it is spring break in the local school districts. No one is here. Even if they were, they'll kiss my rear end on the way out since they want me to send them work once i'm on the other side of the fence. Why am I physically incapable of mailing it in for these last couple of days? When did I become so broken?
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NJ Deac posted:I gave my notice to take an in-house gig on March 17th. My last day is April 1. However, the firm is extracting their pound of flesh on the way out, and I keep offering it up on a silver platter. You're working way too hard at a job you're leaving soon
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NJ Deac posted:I gave my notice to take an in-house gig on March 17th. My last day is April 1. However, the firm is extracting their pound of flesh on the way out, and I keep offering it up on a silver platter. Tell them you're leaking and walk out.
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CaptainScraps posted:Tell them you're leaking and walk out. I'm leaking is my new go-to excuse.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Fibroids will do that Not by themselves, they won't. You gotta boil 'em, first.
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I'm lollin' at scraps over here, because I just rescued a case from death penalty sanctions and I'm pretty sure it made my fibroids leak too. Uhh, what's a fibroid?
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I'm lollin' at scraps over here, because I just rescued a case from death penalty sanctions and I'm pretty sure it made my fibroids leak too. Vag stuff
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"Judge, my fibromyalgia is leaking! I'm in end stage fibromyalgia, so we'll need a continuance."
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