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Oh golly gee whiz, Mr. Tinsley, the scales have fallen from my eyes! You're right! The democratic party is a sham, designed to disenfranchise my preferred liberal candidate. I'll just go vote Trump right now.
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the_steve posted:
Bennett's been on my butthead radar for the last few weeks. Hope he finds his moxy, cause it hasnt been around.
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 surprised McCoy went this angle instead of "SOROS TRYING TO SILENCE US"
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Fojar38 posted:This sounds pretty lovely even in its most idealistic portrayal. What happens when you need to organize something that affects multiple communes I'm pretty sure he accounted for all that stuff; I just don't know how specifically.
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Comrade Ramirez seems to underestimate Capitalism's death toll a bit there. Rorus Raz posted:I have taken only a year of economics, so these definitions are very much Baby Econ, but capitalism puts trade and the means of production in the hands of private citizens where communism keeps that control in the hands of the government. This is half right. Going by the Marxian definitions Capitalism is an economic system where the means of production are privately owned, mostly by the capitalist class. Socialism, on the other hand, is an economic system where the means of production are owned directly by the working class. Communism is a theoretical future state where the socialist revolution has progressed far enough to eliminate all class differences, which would lead to a gradual withering away of the state as a coercive institution. This gets more complicated if we get into actually existing capitalism and actually existing socialism or communism, as actually existing "Communist" countries like the USSR with state control of the economy could arguably be viewed as Socialist or State Capitalist depending on your interpretation. The argument for treating them as Socialist economies would be that the state is acting on behalf of the working class (this is the whole Dictatorship of the Proletariat thingy), and therefore the working class owns the means of production by proxy. The counterargument is that the citizens of actually existing Commiunist countries lacked political freedom, and thus the workers were not in fact in control of the means of production. Therefore the economy was not socialist by Marx's definitions but rather the people running the state formed a new kind of capitalist class, hence State Capitalism. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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I'm surprised I haven't seen "Mein Trumpf" before
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the_steve posted:
If Bennett was doing decent stuff otherwise his constant, empty moaning about Bernie would be easier to ignore. Not sure what's up but he's been real lame for a while, it's sad.
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Rorus Raz posted:I have taken only a year of economics, so these definitions are very much Baby Econ, but capitalism puts trade and the means of production in the hands of private citizens where communism keeps that control in the hands of the government. There's no truer capitalist country in the world than the United States, and people who argue otherwise are typically hair splitting libertarians who are always arguing in bad faith. Radish posted:If Bennett was doing decent stuff otherwise his constant, empty moaning about Bernie would be easier to ignore. Not sure what's up but he's been real lame for a while, it's sad. Liberals only seem cool in contrast to a Conservative administration, but are still almost all awful people. Cerebral Bore posted:Comrade Ramirez seems to underestimate Capitalism's death toll a bit there. Mass death through neglect is a feature of Capitalism, not a bug. Ramirez's argument is that it "works." Pener Kropoopkin fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There's no truer capitalist country in the world than the United States, and people who argue otherwise are typically hair splitting libertarians who are always arguing in bad faith. The US may be the truest capitalist state that currently exists, but it's not a 100% capitalist state in an absolute sense. There are still some elements of socialism.
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El Disco posted:The US may be the truest capitalist state that currently exists, but it's not a 100% capitalist state in an absolute sense. There are still some elements of socialism. You need a healthy dose of socialism in your capitalist state to ward off the torches and pitchforks.
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El Disco posted:The US may be the truest capitalist state that currently exists, but it's not a 100% capitalist state in an absolute sense. There are still some elements of socialism. There is no 100% capitalist state in an absolute sense and there never will be outside of some lolbertarian's spank fantasies, so this objection does come pretty close to hair-splitting. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Mass death through neglect is a feature of Capitalism, not a bug. Ramirez's argument is that it "works." Yeah, I was being facetious.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There's no truer capitalist country in the world than the United States, and people who argue otherwise are typically hair splitting libertarians who are always arguing in bad faith. Somalia. 
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:I love how Republicans are becoming Bernie Sanders supporters just because they hate Hillary that much, coupled with their own disastrous primary It's 100% meant to undermine who they think of as the inevitable Democratic candidate. If Bernie managed to take the lead, 2 weeks later we'd get a whole week of Fillmores about how Hillary is obviously a better candidate and Bernie's supporters are an unruly mob of boorish misogynists etc etc
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Radish posted:If Bennett was doing decent stuff otherwise his constant, empty moaning about Bernie would be easier to ignore. Not sure what's up but he's been real lame for a while, it's sad. I'm worried that he'll eventually go full Gorrell 
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El Disco posted:The US may be the truest capitalist state that currently exists, but it's not a 100% capitalist state in an absolute sense. There are still some elements of socialism. According to Engels, the purpose of the capitalist state superstructure is to moderate the crisis-inducing contradictions of the capitalist system with interventionist policies that increase the long-term viability of the capitalist class' dominance.
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CrowsNestMutineer posted:You need a healthy dose of socialism in your capitalist state to ward off the torches and pitchforks. That or make sure the guys you pay to put down the torches and pitchforks are well paid and loyal.
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Post 9-11 User posted:private universities, tiny hands, drump drump drump so i guess snake oil cartoons guy watches a lot of John Oliver, huh Radish posted:If Bennett was doing decent stuff otherwise his constant, empty moaning about Bernie would be easier to ignore. Not sure what's up but he's been real lame for a while, it's sad. I wonder if he hasn't just given up. We got a lot of gold out of Bennet over the years but there's a certain level of bitterness to his work that's got to be a little consuming
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there wolf posted:I literally used the word gross... you know what? Nevermind. If it's not a flat condemnation presented exactly the way you presented yours, you aren't interested. It's exactly as bad as the conservative cartoons on the subject. There is no way in which it is better than the others, and I have no idea why you tried to defend(?) it in the first place. "Yeah, but this other cartoon is worse!" How? Because this one was drawn by someone who is technically on our "side"? That makes it worse. It's a vile, awful cartoon, perpetuating a stereotype that gets people like me beaten and killed, using a lovely character that 99% of transwomen hate, to make some sort of weird burn, and that your immediate response was to my calling it vile was to say it "wasn't as bad" as others is really weird and I'm not sure why you thought the comment had value in the first place here's a cartoon I guess  It's from the webcomic Assigned Male which is generally decent. This one's older but has been floating around a bit recently I guess I could start posting them in the thread more if people wanted me to majormonotone fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:There is no 100% capitalist state in an absolute sense and there never will be outside of some lolbertarian's spank fantasies, so this objection does come pretty close to hair-splitting. I don't know what they teach you kids in school these days, but I was born in the 70s, and I was always taught that the USA was, and always has been, a "social democracy". In other words, a capitalist economy restrained by appropriate legislation passed by an elected, representative government. This idea of the USA being some sort of pure capitalist utopia is a product of the last 20 years or so, starting with the Clinton backlash. EDIT: :old man yells at cloud.jpg:
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Squashy Nipples posted:I don't know what they teach you kids in school these days, but I was born in the 70s, and I was always taught that the USA was, and always has been, a "social democracy". In other words, a capitalist economy restrained by appropriate legislation passed by an elected, representative government. uh did Reagan just not happen in your world or something?
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Squashy Nipples posted:I don't know what they teach you kids in school these days, but I was born in the 70s, and I was always taught that the USA was, and always has been, a "social democracy". In other words, a capitalist economy restrained by appropriate legislation passed by an elected, representative government. Did they skip over the entire Gilded Age in your class or what? I dunno if this is the appropriate thread for discussing Actually Existing Capitalism so I'll refrain from posting a wall of text on the subject, but I want to point out that Capitalism is an international system, and the lynchpin of modern Capitalism is undoubtedly the USA.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Did they skip over the entire Gilded Age in your class or what? The pendulum swings back and forth, but we've never been purely capitalist.
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Pure capitalism would be no laws against child labor, no laws against people selling themselves in slavery, the country wars fight using mercenaries. Police forces privatized and responding to their owner. No laws about lying with products, so food may often be poisoned or lie about the real content (you would routinely get things like milk mixed with melamine). Life would be cheap, short and merciless, except for the winners, that would live luxury lifes predating on the lower parts of society. Not a society, but a jungle where the law of the stronger will rule ...only the stronger would be the one with more wealth. A capitalist society would be truly hell. We are happy not to live in a real one.
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Squashy Nipples posted:The pendulum swings back and forth, but we've never been purely capitalist. Well, sure, but as I mentioned this is because a country being "purely Capitalist" isn't something that actually exists or can exist or even something that is well defined in the first place. Objecting to the statement "The US is Capitalist" with a statement like that is complete hairsplitting and serves no useful purpose for furthering the discussion whatsoever.
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Congratulations, and condolences, to Rorus Raz
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mandatory lesbian posted:Congratulations, and condolences, to Rorus Raz I don't know what happened. I'm behind the curve. Catch me up before they stick me in a recycling tank.
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majormonotone posted:here's a cartoon I guess It'd be a nice palate-cleanser. Also I'm amazed I've never seen the pun "SERF & TERF" before
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mandatory lesbian posted:Congratulations, and condolences, to Rorus Raz Zeroisanumber posted:I don't know what happened. I'm behind the curve. Catch me up before they stick me in a recycling tank. Basically D&D has needed a new mod or two for a while now, AA and E-Marx are only active at certain times due to time zone differences and there's just not enough overlap. Also some other crap, but it's off topic to the thread so we'll just leave it that.
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majormonotone posted:I guess I could start posting them in the thread more if people wanted me to Please don't. It's about as entertaining as galatianman, but lacks the hideous art and nonsensical positions that make galatianman amusing. It also isn't particularly political.
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And then Obama was all like "I'm a big dumb butthead and you didn't build that." - Michael Ramirez
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majormonotone posted:It's exactly as bad as the conservative cartoons on the subject. There is no way in which it is better than the others, and I have no idea why you tried to defend(?) it in the first place. "Yeah, but this other cartoon is worse!" How? Because this one was drawn by someone who is technically on our "side"? That makes it worse. The other cartoon is worse because it's actively malicious and plays on sexist 'protecting women and girls from perverts' tropes to make it's point. That's worse, hate and furthering prejudice are always worse, but to me 'not as bad as Liccer' is a low enough bar to leave a cartoon in the 'still terrible' zone. Lang's cartoon is terrible; its an edgy-for-the-sake-of-edgy joke that is at least 20 years past it's expiration date.
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the_steve posted:
It's okay, he just forgot to add some of his labels, like a real cartoonist 
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