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Say Nothing posted:The physician who practiced his autopsy stated that his body "did not contain a single drop of blood; his heart was the size of a peppercorn; his lungs corroded; his intestines rotten and gangrenous; he had a single testicle, black as coal, and his head was full of water." So Charles II was autopsied by a retard. Rather fitting.
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Gargamel Gibson posted:So Charles II was autopsied by a retard. Rather fitting. They kept everything in the family. He was autopsied by his nephew/halfbrother/uncle.
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Bringing concrete chat back for just a second... From Wikipedia: "Similarly, the Romans knew that ... adding blood made it more frost-resistant." That is loving metal. I want to know more about the practicalities of this process. Who's blood? How much?
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Admiral Bosch posted:Bringing concrete chat back for just a second... From Wikipedia: As badass as this sounds, it doesn't specify human blood and Rome probably had plenty of slaughterhouses.
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Mar 29, 2016 15:41
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The Spartans knew this, as evidenced in the documentary "300".
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Mar 29, 2016 15:51
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Gabriel Pope posted:As badass as this sounds, it doesn't specify human blood and Rome probably had plenty of slaughterhouses. don't ruin this for me
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Mar 29, 2016 15:55
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Unfortunately, the Romans were an ancient culture that abhored human sacrifice. While capital punishment was fine and dandy, so long as the crime was severe enough (and the accused was lowly enough) , human sacrifice was a definite no-no. While they did perform a few, the circumstances in which they were performed were hugely dire, eg, two Greeks and two Gauls were buried alive in the middle of Rome after the Battle of Cannahae, wherein 40,000 Romans had perished. Normally, the go to punishment for aristocrats who had committed a major crime was exile.
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A White Guy posted:Unfortunately, the Romans were an ancient culture that abhored human sacrifice. While capital punishment was fine and dandy, so long as the crime was severe enough (and the accused was lowly enough) , human sacrifice was a definite no-no. While they did perform a few, the circumstances in which they were performed were hugely dire, eg, two Greeks and two Gauls were buried alive in the middle of Rome after the Battle of Cannahae, wherein 40,000 Romans had perished. Normally, the go to punishment for aristocrats who had committed a major crime was exile. I wish exile was still a thing. Commit a crime in Chicago and get exiled to Joliet....a dire fate.
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A White Guy posted:Normally, the go to punishment for aristocrats who had committed a major crime was exile. Unless you happened to live when people like Crassus and Tiberius ruled.
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Mar 29, 2016 17:14
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Alhazred posted:Crassus ...what? Also, I've read that Tiberius's propensity for killing off senators of suspect loyalty through the use of treason trials was greatly exaggerated by authors like Tacitus, who was of the senatorial class himself, and therefore had good reason to view the monarchy with distrust and resentment.
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Tiberius!?Suetonius, a totally trustworthy historian posted:On retiring to Capri he devised a pleasance for his secret orgies: teams of wantons of both sexes, selected as experts in deviant intercourse and dubbed analists, copulated before him in triple unions to excite his flagging passions. It gets  from here.
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Mar 29, 2016 21:45
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Being exiled from the Roman Empire as an aristocrat doesn't sound much fun. Where do you go? Into the wilderness? Live with some barbarian tribe?
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Carbon dioxide posted:Being exiled from the Roman Empire as an aristocrat doesn't sound much fun. Where do you go? Into the wilderness? Live with some barbarian tribe? It was exile from Rome, and usually from Italy. If you were lucky, you went to the provinces. If you were unlucky, you'd be confined to a small island. BravestOfTheLamps has a new favorite as of 22:16 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Tiberius!? Tell me more about these sexperts.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Tell me more about these sexperts. 
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Tiberius!? My god. The Isosceles lock.
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that's not the joke from the show  e: i'm dumb, good job
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Mar 29, 2016 22:12
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You leave Abba outta this.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Being exiled from the Roman Empire as an aristocrat doesn't sound much fun. Where do you go? Into the wilderness? Live with some barbarian tribe? Ovid was exiled to what is today the Black Sea coast of Romania and loving hated it there, even though the city where he lived wasn't exactly small as Roman cities in this remote region went. Seneca was exiled to Elba (I think, I'm on mobile right now and can't look it up) on the other hand, which wasn't too far away from Rome. I think the worst part of the punishment was actually in being cut off from what was happening and not in a decrease in standard of life, as to a city Roman Rome was probably the only part of the empire that really mattered
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Ancient historians loved casting aspersions on the sex life of their enemies and their enemies' families as it called into question their lineage and therefore their position in society while simultaneously being really embarrassing to even just publicly deny. It's basically "When did you stop beating your wife?" taken to the next level.
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System Metternich posted:Ovid was exiled to what is today the Black Sea coast of Romania and loving hated it there, even though the city where he lived wasn't exactly small as Roman cities in this remote region went. Seneca was exiled to Elba (I think, I'm on mobile right now and can't look it up) on the other hand, which wasn't too far away from Rome. I think the worst part of the punishment was actually in being cut off from what was happening and not in a decrease in standard of life, as to a city Roman Rome was probably the only part of the empire that really mattered Augustus banished his daughter Julia the Elder and her daughter Julia the Younger to tiny islands. Tiberius banished Julia's other daughter, Agrippina the Elder (mother of Caligula and Agrippina the Younger---Nero's mother), to a tiny island as well. From Julia the Elder's Wiki Page: quote:Reluctant to execute her, Augustus decided on Julia's exile, in harsh conditions. She was confined on the island of Pandateria, with no men in sight, forbidden even to drink wine.[18] The island itself measures less than 1.75 square kilometres (0.68 sq mi). She was allowed no visitor unless her father had given permission and had been informed of the stature, complexion, and even of any marks or scars upon his body.[19] Scribonia, Julia's biological mother, accompanied her into exile.[20][21] It is said that Augustus would remark of them: "If only I had never married, or had died childless", slightly misquoting Hector, in the Iliad.[22] Julia's exile cast a long shadow over Augustus's remaining years. It provided some good scenes in the series I, Claudius though.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Ancient historians loved casting aspersions on the sex life of their enemies and their enemies' families as it called into question their lineage and therefore their position in society while simultaneously being really embarrassing to even just publicly deny. It's basically "When did you stop beating your wife?" taken to the next level. A real common set of accusations I've found when 'civilized' people write about 'barbarian' peoples is that the barbarians will worship dark gods of war, drink out of their enemies' skulls, swim in fountains of blood, have unwholesome family structures and have the really weird, really bad kind of sex with each other. I've seen Scythians, Xiongnu, Vikings, Celtic peoples, Mongols, Mayans, etc, etc, etc get described as such from a variety of western and non-western sources. It's bizarrely common, like it''s humanity's default for describing spooky strangers.
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Jack of Hearts posted:...what? I meant Sulla.
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Hey guys.
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Alhazred posted:I meant Sulla. Yeah, it's not a catch-all. Sulla slaughtered the gently caress out of everyone. Arguably, he was kind of the progenitor of that tradition in Roman politics. Caesar was more apt to exile his enemies than kill them, but his propensity to do this decreased after defeating Cato (and slaughtering every captive he found after the battle of Thapsus). Augustus was straight up didn't give a poo poo and had his enemies killed/discredited left and right. Basically, the further away you get from the true Republic, the more common killing all your enemies gets. 2nd and 3rd century Roman politics is full of "and then he had (insert usurper here)'s entire family crucified/poisoned".
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A White Guy posted:Caesar was more apt to exile his enemies than kill them, but his propensity to do this decreased after defeating Cato (and slaughtering every captive he found after the battle of Thapsus). Some people have suggested that Caesar may have suffered an epileptic fit during Thapsus, which prevented him from checking his troops' desire to slaughter their defeated enemies. This is at least plausible, since Caesar would have probably preferred to pardon Scipio and Cato, and deliberately setting the troops loose would have put their lives in danger. Caesar was certainly less forgiving in the second Spanish campaign, but the logic there at least is clear: he wasn't fighting against people who could plausibly claim to represent the Senate any longer, so they were rebels, and deserved what was coming to them. If Caesar was fully in control during Thapsus, it was a strange break from his previous mode of operation. Tacky-Ass Rococco has a new favorite as of 07:07 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Makes you wonder why Romans went into politics. So much plotting, intrigue and mass murder of entire families.
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nimby posted:Makes you wonder why Romans went into politics. So much plotting, intrigue and mass murder of entire families. I think you answered your own question.
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Mar 30, 2016 10:23
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Plus it was before DVR, so there was like nothing else to do.
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nimby posted:Makes you wonder why Romans went into politics. So much plotting, intrigue and mass murder of entire families. Same reason dudes do drugs; sure bad things happen to people who do this stuff, but I'm special it won't happen to me. Until suddenly those populist policies you keep advocating for cause the senate to go all barbarian on you.
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nimby posted:Makes you wonder why Romans went into politics. So much plotting, intrigue and mass murder of entire families. Wealth and power, mostly. Which is, incidentally, also why so much murder tended to happen. Some dudes are threatening to take away your wealth and power? They can't do that if you exterminate their entire bloodline, now can they?
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umalt posted:Same reason dudes do drugs; sure bad things happen to people who do this stuff, but I'm special it won't happen to me. And do what, wear trousers?
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Mar 31, 2016 01:39
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Work gold a lot better than you do and have more female equality in the case of the Gauls.
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The Gauls actually sacked Rome in 390 BC. The Gauls made the Romans pay a ransom of a thousand pounds of gold. When they started weighing the gold the Romans started protesting which lead to the Gallic leader Brennus tossing a sword on the scale and saying "Woe the vanquished".
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Alhazred posted:The Gauls actually sacked Rome in 390 BC. The Gauls made the Rome pay a ransom of a thousand pounds of gold. When they started weighing the gold the Romans started protesting which lead to the Gallic leader Brennus tossing a sword on the scale and saying ""Woe the vanquished. 
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nimby posted:Makes you wonder why Romans went into politics. So much plotting, intrigue and mass murder of entire families. Besides Roman politics being the most dangerous game, being involved in politics and furthering the public good (or at least pretend to do so) was one of the very few lines of work which were seen as befitting a Patrician besides possessing large tracts of land in the countryside for agriculture, which was still best left to your employees and slaves though. Other jobs were seen as crass(us hahaha  ) and the line of public work was that established as the standard for young noblemen to first prove themselves and then advance through the hierarchy that it even had a name of its own (cursus honorum iirc)This is a pattern found throughout history, btw. People were supposed to stay within their station, certain clothes, acts, jobs or even manners of speech were (and often still are) seen as proper to a certain group of people and improper to others.
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In Rome marriages were almost always for political reasons and nothing to do with romantic feelings. Pompey used to get teased for being a weirdo who actually loved his wife.
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Marriage for love really didn't occur regularly until the late 1800s. Sure love existed, but marrying purely for love was seen as selfish in a lot of western cultures, it's why Romeo and Juliet ends with them dying.
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The play ends with them dying because their families hate each other, and they have to consummate their passions through suicide. This is pretty simple. Vendettas were common between Italian families.
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The play ends with them dying because they're dumbasses, imo.
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