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We're going to get Justice League 1 before these guys' solo movies right? I'd love for like 5 minute segments of like Batman and Wonder Woman trying to corner a skittish Flash to try to deliver an invitation.
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broken clock opsec posted:We're going to get Justice League 1 before these guys' solo movies right? I'd love for like 5 minute segments of like Batman and Wonder Woman trying to corner a skittish Flash to try to deliver an invitation. Wonder Woman > Justice League > Flash > Aquaman > Shazaam > Justice League > Cyborg > Green Lantern
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Mar 29, 2016 18:46
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Oh drat, was looking forward to Batman scaring heroes into joining him.
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Mar 29, 2016 18:47
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MacheteZombie posted:I'm hoping the Nick Fury after-credits recruitment scenes are just Batman in full costume asking heroes to join his club. They should be shot for shot remakes of all of the Marvel post-credits scenes, except with a fully costumed Batman in place of Nick Fury or whoever. Batman driving to the desert in the batmobile and finding Aquaman's trident instead of Thor's hammer, Batman napping while the Flash talks to him like a therapist, etc. This scene would be especially great, Batman walking into a bar in broad daylight (they can even keep the "You always wear such nice suits" joke word for word): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qQF6LcgH_I
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Mar 29, 2016 18:47
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MacheteZombie posted:Oh drat, was looking forward to Batman scaring heroes into joining him. I mean, we might still get that in Justice League. At least there's always this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s4knWZ6yVs
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Mar 29, 2016 18:54
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Rhyno posted:I mean, i think the Wolverine is a pretty good flick so my opinion is worth fuckall so keep that in mind. I'll say this for The Wolverine: It's the first X-Men movie since the original to have a score that doesn't suck out loud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t7SOyFGCaE
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Mar 29, 2016 18:58
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I like the X2 score, I was glad when they brought its motif back for Days of Future Past
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Mar 29, 2016 19:00
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John Ottman's music puts me to sleep. I think he's a generally pretty good editor but gently caress his scores are bland. (And his X2 motif is just Kamen's theme at 2x speed.) Edit: OK, now that I think about it, John Powell's work on The Last Stand was probably the only good thing about that movie. Timby fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Mar 29, 2016 19:02
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MacheteZombie posted:Oh drat, was looking forward to Batman scaring heroes into joining him. That's what I'm getting at. For example: wyoming posted:I mean, we might still get that in Justice League. Yes please.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:08
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broken clock opsec posted:That's what I'm getting at. I guess I'm just assuming in JL it'd be more brief and probably rounding up several of them at once to pitch the idea of Super Friends. Then again it's JL part 1, so the first hour could be just recruitment scenes.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:11
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MacheteZombie posted:I guess I'm just assuming in JL it'd be more brief and probably rounding up several of them at once to pitch the idea of Super Friends. Then again it's JL part 1, so the first hour could be just recruitment scenes. Assuming it's Darkseid (which it is, we basically know that), The first part is probably his minions doing stuff on Earth. This requires the normally separate superheroes to team up, culminating with (big BvS spoiler) Superman coming back from the dead and then Part 2 is the assembled Justice League fighting him.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:14
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MacheteZombie posted:I guess I'm just assuming in JL it'd be more brief and probably rounding up several of them at once to pitch the idea of Super Friends. Then again it's JL part 1, so the first hour could be just recruitment scenes. To be fair, post-credits stingers like the Marvel Method are even briefer than that. What I'm saying is I'm more expecting a good chunk of JL1 to consist of the kind stuff that people complained about with Iron Man II, but integrated into Avengers 1.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:15
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We might get a swerve and have the first villain for Justice League 1 be Brainiac, coming after the Kryptonian ship and all of its information. Could even lead to a scene where he reacts poorly to Cyborg, realizing what he's made of, and leaves.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:18
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Darko posted:Wonder Woman > Justice League > Flash > Aquaman > Shazaam > Justice League > Cyborg > Green Lantern GL being kind of an afterthought is the only thing I don't like of the way WB is handling DC's Cinematic Universe I like GL 
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Mar 29, 2016 19:23
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:GL being kind of an afterthought is the only thing I don't like of the way WB is handling DC's Cinematic Universe The only thing? They're doing the teamup movie before introducing the team.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:24
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Timby posted:I'll say this for The Wolverine: It's the first X-Men movie since the original to have a score that doesn't suck out loud. I loved the First Class soundtrack. I was sad that its Magneto theme didn't get reused in Days of Future Past.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:25
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Steve2911 posted:The only thing? They're doing the teamup movie before introducing the team. What if the team-up movie... is the introduction.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:28
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Steve2911 posted:The only thing? They're doing the teamup movie before introducing the team. The foundation of Justice League is Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. They've introduced at least two of those already, and Wonder Woman's getting her own film before the actual teamup film.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:28
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computer parts posted:Assuming it's Darkseid (which it is, we basically know that), The first part is probably his minions doing stuff on Earth. This requires the normally separate superheroes to team up, culminating with (big BvS spoiler) Superman coming back from the dead and then Part 2 is the assembled Justice League fighting him. Based on the Flash cameo in BvS, with him saying "you're right about him!" and this likely being a red herring to make you think it is Superman I pictured a Glorious Godfrey type situation where he arrives and tries to weaken the heroes by attacking the public's faith in them. Steve2911 posted:The only thing? They're doing the teamup movie before introducing the team. They're doing a super hero team movie just like X-Men, The Incredibles, Guardians of the Galaxy, Big Hero 6, etc.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:30
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MacheteZombie posted:I'm hoping the Nick Fury after-credits recruitment scenes are just Batman in full costume asking heroes to join his club. It's actually going to be WW forwarding the e-mail she got from Batman to Aquaman who forwards it to GL who forwards it to Flash and the whole things gets intercepted by Cyborg who adds a couple of emojis. The "Justice League" is just the title of the Facebook group the form to talk and chat about what a dick Superman is.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:34
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Timby posted:John Ottman's music puts me to sleep. I think he's a generally pretty good editor but gently caress his scores are bland. (And his X2 motif is just Kamen's theme at 2x speed.) His motif for the Dark Phoenix is absolutely amazing and sold that scene in Jean Grey's old home. I wish Powell scored more action/sci-fi stuff, it seems he just gets hired for animated movies these days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP-oD-63dtE
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Mar 29, 2016 19:49
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Last Stand is one of the best superhero scores, period, and First Class's, while repetitive, works wonders in the movie. Saying the Wolverine is the only good one is weird.
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Mar 29, 2016 19:56
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computer parts posted:The foundation of Justice League is Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. They've introduced at least two of those already, and Wonder Woman's getting her own film before the actual teamup film. The foundation of the Justice League is actually the green space man they're ignoring, but then, DC has been doing that for nigh on a decade now.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:08
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TFRazorsaw posted:The foundation of the Justice League is actually the green space man they're ignoring, but then, DC has been doing that for nigh on a decade now. Yes he's totally the foundation except for when he isn't. Which is a lot. Seriously, you realize movies can do their own thing and aren't beholden to the comics right? Martian Manhunter is one of the harder heroes to work with because he is just as powerful as Superman, AND he has a ton of other even more stupid powers. I say this as a fan of the character and what can be done with him- dude's an obstacle more than he is a help for stories. He also has some inherent baggage in the White Martians if they want to adapt that aspect of his character.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:22
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What do you mean baggage? Like some sort of legal trouble? I don't follow you.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:26
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Actually the silliest thing about this version of The Justice League is that it's being run by someone as dangerously incompetent and impulsive as Affleck's Batman. That dude ain't no hero and other heroes sure as hell shouldn't rally around him.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:26
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TFRazorsaw posted:What do you mean baggage? Like some sort of legal trouble? I don't follow you. The white aliens genocide all the colored aliens, it is an allegory for all white people in all of history.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:32
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Burkion posted:So what did you think of the movie? Like you've seen the movie now right? I had a very fun time watching it. I enjoyed all the action except for the fight scene in the desert where all the choreography is wonky. Main cast was good, especially Lawrence Fishburne, but I didn't care much for Lex, and I didn't really see what the hell was at stake for anything in the movie with the one exception of Ma Kent will die unless Supes plays ball? Or something?
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Mar 29, 2016 20:33
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TFRazorsaw posted:What do you mean baggage? Like some sort of legal trouble? I don't follow you. Narrative Baggage. The modern take on Martian Manhunter has him the last of his race, but unlike with Superman where it's because his people were morons, MM's group were wiped out by the White Martians who are after him still. This necessitates having to deal with that problem when he shows up, or at the very least address it. However that's clearly not the direction they want to go with in this first movie, and the White Martians are a notably weak threat to have as their first big challenge with no good central figure to draw on for them. Basically there is no good time to explore what he brings to the table by his very nature. Now they COULD change it to being Darkseid related or what have you, but then they run the risk of backlash from fans, of which they already get backlash on every drat thing they do. Couple all of that with the fact that MM, more than ANY other hero, makes most plots utterly invalid and silly to be a problem, and you have a good reason to steer clear from him for the moment. The fact that he's just as powerful as Superman, can perfectly shape shift into ANYTHING, turn invisible and intangible, AND is a master telepath, makes him officially a one man team. It's the only reason why he has as ridiculous a weakness as he does. He's a nightmare to work into a team unless you either tone down his powers or make him utterly incompetent.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:39
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Multiple series have managed to do it well enough. I don't see how the baggage is too much to deal with at all. I mean, you might as well say they shouldn't do Wonder Woman because her origins involve the Greek gods when they're doing the New Gods too.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:42
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TFRazorsaw posted:Multiple series have managed to do it well enough. I don't see how the baggage is too much to deal with at all. How did it handle it in Young Justice? His niece is a white Martian there, isn't she?
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Mar 29, 2016 20:44
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TFRazorsaw posted:Multiple series have managed to do it well enough. I don't see how the baggage is too much to deal with at all. That That isn't even remotely comparable to anything I just said. Also, yes, multiple series have done it well. Let's take a look at Justice League for instance Where in the White Martian threat was...the very first thing that drew them all together. Which they can't very well do here for obvious reasons. Other times he's shown up, they either ignore or play down the White Martian angle, but generally those are not out and out Justice League series and are set some time after he's actually shown up. Even Supergirl the TV series has had to deal with White Martian problems, which the movies have no time to do. Seriously you're not even trying here. Two sets of Gods are not incompatible with one another, especially when one set are explicitly alien Gods that came after the Old Gods. I'm sorry Green Jeans isn't included, but it makes sense why he isn't. He could easily be brought in to future movies, but it's better than him being wasted now because they tried to shove him in.
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TheKingofSprings posted:How did it handle it in Young Justice? Yes. Weisman specifically said that "J'onn wasn't originally the last of his kind, that was a retcon", and went with the original take instead. But then again CBS's Supergirl went and used J'onn in a show literally starring one of the few survivors of an all-but-extinct race and they're not competing despite that aspect of their stories overlapping so. I'm pretty sure J'onn is usable with a funny thing called "effort".
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Burkion posted:He's a nightmare to work into a team unless you either tone down his powers or make him utterly incompetent. You can say the same thing about Superman or Flash. Either of them should be able to solve any issue without any problem. I mean, apparently a TV show is having no problem incorporating the Martian Manhunter into it and doing well by him. But a multi-million dollar blockbuster with bigger villains and higher stakes can't solve that problem?
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Mar 29, 2016 20:47
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J'onn would make an incredible villain, actually.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:48
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Codependent Poster posted:You can say the same thing about Superman or Flash. Either of them should be able to solve any issue without any problem. All the money in the world can't buy you more than 2 hours run-time
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Mar 29, 2016 20:50
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Codependent Poster posted:You can say the same thing about Superman or Flash. Either of them should be able to solve any issue without any problem. There's actually a lot of melodrama surrounding MM on Supergirl and he purposely refuses to reveal himself as MM for a majority of the show so far. After he publicly reveals himself, he's arrested for being an alien, and was MIA from this week's episode chasing down his subplot offscreen. This week was a crossover with Flash so running time was limited. TheKingofSprings posted:J'onn would make an incredible villain, actually.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:50
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People won't buy more than 3 hours of running time.
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Mar 29, 2016 20:50
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Codependent Poster posted:You can say the same thing about Superman or Flash. Either of them should be able to solve any issue without any problem. The TV show also has more room to breathe than a movie. Shoving MM into Justice League just to have him in it is a terrible idea if he doesn't naturally fit- and he doesn't. Flash at least only has speed powers to work with, and Superman, especially this one, isn't shown to have the same kind of speed on foot. And neither of them ALSO have the rest of MM's insane power set, including the bigger game breaker, telepathy. If they had time to dedicate to him, like the TV series could do, then yes he'd work great. But the movies are full enough as it is- throwing more characters into the mix isn't going to help with that right now.
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I also don't understand the criticism that "they have to deal with his origin". Do you think that they're gonna spend a lot of time dwelling on Flash and Aquaman's? I'm pretty sure those are gonna be primarily dealt with in their movies. Just have J'onn show up and allude to his origin while focusing on the primary storyline.
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