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Panderfringe posted:I'm not throwing them in the garbage. I was going to give them to the kids at my LGS. I mean if you're really just gonna junk them I'd offer you $65 through paypal or w/e for a playset. Also assuming Eye is the ban in modern, does anyone see any way an eldrazi deck is still viable? I tried messing around a bit trying to go back to the versions that were popping up before Oath but they feel so clunky. In theory it seems stuff like Thought Knot and Reality Smasher should be good enough to have some place in modern, but I'm having a difficult time seeing where.
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The Chinese uh...uh....uh..... find a way. https://twitter.com/XemitSellsMagic/status/715194924191363073
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Skyl3lazer posted:The Chinese uh...uh....uh..... find a way. Good
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alansmithee posted:I mean if you're really just gonna junk them I'd offer you $65 through paypal or w/e for a playset. B/W Eldraxi was a thing for a bit, you'll lose out on some absurd hands though.
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Skyl3lazer posted:The Chinese uh...uh....uh..... find a way. I have heard about these but never seen one. Supposedly this particular printer sells these cards at 5 bucks a piece and the only test it fails is the loupe test. As someone else said on twitter, someone could really lose out big time moving new fetches this way. I like where this is going a lot.
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alansmithee posted:I mean if you're really just gonna junk them I'd offer you $65 through paypal or w/e for a playset. There's a processor-centric build which is nowhere near as good as the current absurdities that will likely persist. That build benefits by running some of the best sideboard hate in the format maindeck like RIPs. It also runs Maps to grab temples.
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Skyl3lazer posted:The Chinese uh...uh....uh..... find a way. Im not surprised
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Sickening posted:I have heard about these but never seen one. Supposedly this particular printer sells these cards at 5 bucks a piece and the only test it fails is the loupe test. As someone else said on twitter, someone could really lose out big time moving new fetches this way. I browse ali express now and then. I know two local people whose curiosity got the better of them recently and ordered some "proxies" In both cases they were rubbish. I'm not sure how people are finding these high quality ones. I've handled/seen several different cards and they've all been poor quality, paper is not the right thickness, stiffness, texture, colors are off enough to tell. etc. I'd still like to see a good fake.
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jassi007 posted:I browse ali express now and then. I know two local people whose curiosity got the better of them recently and ordered some "proxies" In both cases they were rubbish. I'm not sure how people are finding these high quality ones. I've handled/seen several different cards and they've all been poor quality, paper is not the right thickness, stiffness, texture, colors are off enough to tell. etc. I'd still like to see a good fake. It is really easy to cheap out and order bad quality fakes and that has never changed. Well, we have argued this like a million times at this point but the only thing that matters when it comes to fakes is how it is in a sleeve. Are the colors right? Is the thickness close enough that it doesn't feel different in the sleeve? Did the printer make a glaringly obvious mistake like messing up mana symbols, set symbol, or getting the drat rarity wrong? If not, congrats, you paid 4-5 bucks for an outrageously expensive card that you can now play in whatever event you want, because your card isn't exiting the sleeve. I honestly don't care about the "feel" of a card personally because if a fake is easy to spot by the "feel" then it makes trading them harder and I am all for that. Good fakes are harder to buy at the moment however. The issue is that Ali Express and every other website like it will eventually remove stores as they get reported by the WOTC. This means that all of the sellers on there are only going to be be up for a few weeks and then reappear with another name later. A lot of these stores are also just re-sellers and not the actual creators, so supply runs out and things are varying quality. They also steal each others advertisements so its hard as gently caress to figure out who is who. There are things like skype contracts to figure out the above but that is also hit or miss due to language barriers and time zone differences.
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Can't judges check your cards out-of-sleeve in a deckcheck to see if they're fake?
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The Shortest Path posted:Can't judges check your cards out-of-sleeve in a deckcheck to see if they're fake? First you would have to think to yourself "Why in the holy hell a judge would ever do that?" They are already crunched for time to do deck checks and they are more concerned with your cards matching your decklist. And what judge in their right mind wants to try and de-sleeve your expensive rear end modern/legacy cards and have some player rage on them? Sickening fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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The Shortest Path posted:Can't judges check your cards out-of-sleeve in a deckcheck to see if they're fake? Judges are never going looking for fake cards unless they have a reason. They mostly just want to get the deckcheck done as quickly as possible.
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Sickening posted:First you would have to think to yourself why in the holy hell a judge would ever do that. Beyond that, time is a real issue. Judges are overworked as is, and deck checking already delays events. Imagine how much more time unsleeving and resleeving a deck would add to that process. It just doesn't make sense for them to do it.
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The Shortest Path posted:Can't judges check your cards out-of-sleeve in a deckcheck to see if they're fake? Judge, examining a legacy player's deck: Why yes, I will remove each underground sea from their double sleeves to determine authenticity.
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Sickening posted:
People should really know better than to make contracts when magic is involved.
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Chill la Chill posted:Judge, examining a legacy player's deck: Why yes, I will remove each underground sea from their double sleeves to determine authenticity.
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Chill la Chill posted:Judge, examining a legacy player's deck: Why yes, I will remove each underground sea from their double sleeves to determine authenticity. And ask a high level judge how they feel about being the protectors of WOTC intellectual property after the last fiasco. (not that a high level judge is going to do your deck check) Simply don't bring a terrible fake to a competitive tournament or tell people your know IRL that you have fakes and you will be more than fine in any setting.
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Yawgmoth posted:Hmm yes these colors are off and that is definitely not from being over 20 loving years old and spending a large amount of time in light and changing temperature/humidity. I am laughing at people looking at the ugin on twitter and saying "of course its fake, look how dark it is" yet cards from all 3 of the newest sets is going to have card printing in various lighter or darker prints. That is just the variance you get in printing.
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Sickening posted:And ask a high level judge how they feel about being the protectors of WOTC intellectual property after the last fiasco. (not that a high level judge is going to do your deck check) Seriously, and with constructed GP's costing 70 bux to enter now, I feel less and less motivated to protect the value of WOTCs cardboard.
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I'm actually an expert in detecting card fakes* *once i've been told they're fake.
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Sickening posted:I am laughing at people looking at the ugin on twitter and saying "of course its fake, look how dark it is" yet cards from all 3 of the newest sets is going to have card printing in various lighter or darker prints. That is just the variance you get in printing. yeah i have three copies of thoughtseize, all of which i opened from theros boosters myself, and one has a lighter print to a garish degree when you put them side by side
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Do cards from Intro/Event decks still have a noticeably different color tone and gloss to them? I know they all did for the longest time.
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Ugh. These are going to make everyone's legacy collections worthless, aren't they...
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Entropic posted:I'm actually an expert in detecting card fakes* The greatest moment in this thread was when someone posted a picture of four cards and said spot the fake, everyone gave well-reasoned answers on par with "seen a few shops in my time, the pixels" and then it was revealed that they were all fakes. Immediately after the reveal a bunch of posters came in and said "that's what I was gonna say, actually."
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I'll be able to play Legacy just as soon as proxies are good enough to emulate damaged as gently caress 200 dollar Volcanic Islands.
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mcmagic posted:Ugh. These are going to make everyone's legacy collections worthless, aren't they... One can only hope
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Count Bleck posted:I'll be able to play Legacy just as soon as proxies are good enough to emulate damaged as gently caress 200 dollar Volcanic Islands. Scribble some ink and crayons on it and say you and your brother played back in preschool.
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Sharzak posted:The greatest moment in this thread was when someone posted a picture of four cards and said spot the fake, everyone gave well-reasoned answers on par with "seen a few shops in my time, the pixels" and then it was revealed that they were all fakes. Immediately after the reveal a bunch of posters came in and said "that's what I was gonna say, actually." Or most people just said 'you cant tell with lovely iphone pictures we need scans' to which the poster claimed that Asking For Scans Just Proved His Point I Was The Puppetmaster All Along
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Yeah like, how do you determine if a card is fake
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Yeah like, how do you determine if a card is fake you burn it and if the smoke isn't blue it's a fake.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Yeah like, how do you determine if a card is fake Here I'm going to edit in a Guide To Spotting Fakes along with some pictures of Actual Good Fakes and how to tell. It isn't complete atm because I dont want to go out to my car to get my loupe so here's some easy ways to tell. 1) Ignore the bend, water, and tear tests. They're either destructive or not actually nearly as conclusive as you'd think 2) Take the card out of the sleeve and feel it. You've felt magic cards before. This can oftentimes spot fakes - they'll be particularly oily, or rough, in ways that real cards aren't. The exception here is that some supplemental set and foreign language cards can feel weird anyway. 3) Get a loupe. 15 bucks on amazon. This one is good because it has a light and a black light. 4) When you look at a card under a loupe, check for a few things - A) check the dot pattern. I'll have an example here of the type of patterns WotC uses. B) check the text. This is the most common test cards fail: if the text isn't printed on a separate layer, it's fake. If you can see ink dots in the text, it's fake. 5) Put the normal light behind the card. You should be able to see the actual lines of the border through the card. If it looks uniform, it's fake. 6) Put the UV light on the card, next to a card you know is real. Fakes will look way more light than real cards. Now, there's some actual good fakes around. Take this one I came across at a GP -  No, this didn't fail the bend test or anything. It was bent on purpose so people wouldn't try to trade for it.  It passes test 4B and 4A. Honestly, this was mostly given away by feel. The only thing we could find was this  If you missed it (because everyone did), "Mono Artifact" should also have solid printed lines on the outside border of the letters. So yes, there are good fakes out there. Feeling the cards out of sleeve catches most of them. A loupe will catch nearly any other. http://imgur.com/a/xSYfd (full album of the fake) As a final note, when I get my scanner working I'll show this, but if you have a card already and are unsure if it's fake, scanning it will tell. Fakes get scan lines that real cards don't. Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Yeah like, how do you determine if a card is fake Taste it for Richard Garfield's essence.
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Obviously they just switch to only foils being legal in non-Standard formats and for cards in sets where foils were never issued, just allow copies of Revised Plains with the words "UNDERGROUND SEA" written in Sharpie on them.
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Sharzak posted:The greatest moment in this thread was when someone posted a picture of four cards and said spot the fake, everyone gave well-reasoned answers on par with "seen a few shops in my time, the pixels" and then it was revealed that they were all fakes. Immediately after the reveal a bunch of posters came in and said "that's what I was gonna say, actually." Its because of all their experience working at a comic shop. A comic shop; the poster child for businesses that employ smart, capable people. mcmagic posted:Ugh. These are going to make everyone's legacy collections worthless, aren't they... Probably won't considering that the real legacy cards you own have the classic 20 years of wear on them that is the hardest thing to fake. If printers get common enough, these cards will be worth the most or at least will be the easiest to move. Speaking of, went to a LGS in the Sherman, Tx area over the weekend with an old buddy of mine on the way to play at another store. The store was actually the nicest for the area although it wasn't the most popular one. They had a really nice collection of old cards that brought back memories of the old days (If you lived in north texas, Bib Bobs was iconic). I did however notice that they had a HUGE supply of zendikar fetches. I am talking each one was a hinged bcw cardbox full to the brim of them. By far the most stocked card type they had in the entire shop. You could agree with my shock when I noticed that all the cards on top were perfect, mint condition. I asked him if he had a lot of these mint condition fetches and he said that most in all those piles were mint.  So yeah, if you live in that area be careful in old expensive cards you buy from fantasy quest. Be wary of any shop that has tons of mint old stuff that isn't SCG. Sickening fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Sickening posted:Its because of all their experience working at a comic shop. A comic shop; the poster child for businesses that employ smart, capable people. I buy legacy cards almost exclusively from SCG's Played Case and from Goons.
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mcmagic posted:I buy legacy cards almost exclusively from SCG's Played Case and from Goons. Don't look too closely at those Tron cards I sent you.
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suicidesteve posted:Don't look too closely at those Tron cards I sent you. Heh, they are gonna be worthless in about 5 days anyway.
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Skyl3lazer posted:Here I'm going to edit in a Guide To Spotting Fakes along with some pictures of Actual Good Fakes and how to tell. It isn't complete atm because I dont want to go out to my car to get my loupe so here's some easy ways to tell. neat
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