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Silver2195 posted:I don't think Urbit is a reflection of Moldbug's politics so much as it comes from the same traits as the ones that lead him to his politics (contrarianism, obscurantism). Parallel Paraplegic posted:Apparently the /lgbt/ board is actually not terrible and they already had this idea and even have a name for the closeted / in denial transpeople who lurk the traps threads ("egg mode", she has no idea why).
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Cingulate posted:Surprise isn't the real word. Astonishment? Acknowledging the problem is only step one.
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^^^Problem? Being a terrible person who couldn't survive in public is Cingulate's gimmick.Small Frozen Thing posted:I'm a highschool dropout with autism so severe I couldn't speak until I was 8 Not an empty quote.
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Darth Walrus posted:Remind me, who was that guy who advocated that massively homophobic gay-separatist ideology based on the (heavily fictionalised) example of the Spartans? This is an archetype that dates back to the 19th century and will last at least until the 23rd century. Cingulate posted:Matt Forney? No he's the anthromorphic personification of twitter egg randos
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hackbunny posted:Someone (Parallel Paraplegic?) theorized that the obsession with "traps" stems from the idea of creating women untainted by innate "dirty" femininity, and I was trying to agree with him. I don't think the alt right is entirely composed of 100% heterosexual men as commonly assumed, I think they have a certain degree of variance, that tends to manifest in unique unhealthy identities like "trap" (the tumblr left doesn't have a monopoly on unique unhealthy identities) because everything has to be framed in a certain ideology The intellectual San Francisco end of neoreaction is gay as hell. Let me remind you Tumblr rated me four and a half neutron stars out of five, I know degeneracy when I see it. Small Frozen Thing posted:Hentai. No joke. I thought that was futarchy. 
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Cingulate posted:I actually have no intuitions on women. Behold my feigned surprise.
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Darth Walrus posted:Remind me, who was that guy who advocated that massively homophobic gay-separatist ideology based on the (heavily fictionalised) example of the Spartans? http://man2manalliance.org Possibly this? (Massively NSFW) As a classicist, I don't really know where to begin with a critique of the awful analyses of Greek homosexuality with this one.
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Cingulate posted:Surprise isn't the real word. Astonishment? Don't worry eventually you'll outgrow shame and become fishmech.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Don't worry eventually you'll outgrow shame and become fishmech. I talk with fishmech on steam, and he is less annoying by cingulate by orders of magnitude, so this would be a legit good thing
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Hellequin posted:http://man2manalliance.org FIDELITY AND FROT*! *phallus-on-phallus sex, which is not only life-affirming and masculine but mindful of both participants' shared and mutual enjoyment.
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Nessus posted:He's been dead for twenty-six years! Haha, I was thinking of Steven Pinker. Oops.
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When I'm invited on the Colbert Report in 2017, I'll summarize Steven Pinker in 5 words: the curly-haired anti-Skinner. Starting with The Blank Slate, Pinkers books are basically anti-behaviorist anti-Skinner pamphlets. Also, in most likely a very calculated attempt to achieve Peak This Thread, Sam Harris and Yud are writing a book together right now. I assume in a shocking turn of events, it will be about a Muslim artificial intelligence that destroys the world.
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Can we bring this thread together and agree with Sensei Patrick that if you turn a girl's squirrel inside out, you basically have a crank?
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Cingulate posted:Also, in most likely a very calculated attempt to achieve Peak This Thread, Sam Harris and Yud are writing a book together right now. I assume in a shocking turn of events, it will be about a Muslim artificial intelligence that destroys the world. Do we know for sure it's Yudkowsky he's collaborating with? All I can find on the subject is this /r/samharris thread, which says "He mentioned that he was collaborating with an AI expert who had not attended college, whom I believe to be Eliezer Yudkowsky of MIRI." Harris is aware of Yudkowsky.
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divabot posted:Do we know for sure it's Yudkowsky he's collaborating with? All I can find on the subject is this /r/samharris thread, which says "He mentioned that he was collaborating with an AI expert who had not attended college, whom I believe to be Eliezer Yudkowsky of MIRI." Harris is aware of Yudkowsky. Which you should all listen to. You guys would love the part where he first complained about being called a white supremacist, then talked about how one zip code in NY has produced more knowledge than the entire muslim world and how 15 million Jews create much more value for the world than the entire muslim world, and then complained about being called a white supremacist again.
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One of the things I've loved about New Atheism is PZ criticizing Harris. Now, I look forward for the full force of Pharyngula to be turned against Yud.
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Reflections85 posted:One of the things I've loved about New Atheism is PZ criticizing Harris. Now, I look forward for the full force of Pharyngula to be turned against Yud.
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Cingulate posted:I've never seen any criticism of Sam Harris that was actually fair. Is this? I think from your previous comments you would not consider any of PZ's criticisms of Harris fair.
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Reflections85 posted:I think from your previous comments you would not consider any of PZ's criticisms of Harris fair. 
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Cingulate posted:I've never seen any criticism of Sam Harris that was actually fair. Cingulate posted:he first complained about being called a white supremacist, then talked about how one zip code in NY has produced more knowledge than the entire muslim world and how 15 million Jews create much more value for the world than the entire muslim world, and then complained about being called a white supremacist again. You are a confusing person sometimes.
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Goon Danton posted:You are a confusing person sometimes.
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Cingulate posted:I've never seen any criticism of Sam Harris that was actually fair. Is this? Have you ever read any criticism of anyone that you thought was fair? I appreciate that you're well-informed on some issues but I swear you'd pop up demanding intellectual rigor in a thread criticizing Trump for being racist.
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Cingulate posted:Yes, he just said it in his podcast. i tried and muzz-lims muzz-lims lasted thirty seconds muzz-lims muzz-lims before I smashed my computer to bits muzz-lims with a toffee hammer. muzz-lims muzz-lims muzz-lims Skipped through it on a second more durable computer muzz-lims and couldn't spot it. muzz-lims muzz-lims What's the timestamp for the Yudkowsky bit? muzz-lims muzz-lims edit: it's from 51:02 on. muzz-lims muzz-lims It's going to be a dialogue-based book (a.k.a. two ignoramuses who know big words pontificate) about the ethical implications of artificial general divabot has a new favorite as of 20:19 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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SO glad I didn't see Zoolander 2. I cannot, in good conscience, support Ben Stiller if he's going to spout poo poo like that.
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Goon 1: Is that a duck? Goon 2: Well it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck... *Cingulate kramers into thread* Cingulate: Whoa whoa whoa, have you considered that this green-headed, yellow-beaked, brown-bodied waterfowl might have once talked about preferring certain geese in elections?
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The posters in this thread are all dangerous.
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I will agree that Moldbug is harmless in that he's a little string bean nerd that I could totally beat up
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Fututor Magnus posted:The posters in this thread are all dangerous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxHgVBpKNEo (guys you don't understand rev knew a sjw who was a bad person once) Edit: Alternatively https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJUk45l4h8c
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SolTerrasa posted:Have you ever read any criticism of anyone that you thought was fair? I appreciate that you're well-informed on some issues but I swear you'd pop up demanding intellectual rigor in a thread criticizing Trump for being racist. As a direct response to your question: yes; I think what you said here was a fair criticism of me. I think a lot of criticism of me in here is fair. But yes, I think hat's a good point. In this case, I claim it's very obviously grossly off the mark to call Sam Harris, of all things, a white supremacist - particularly following up to him hyping up one type of semite (Jews) over another. Sam Harris isn't much to the right of say Hillary Clinton, and on many issues considerably to the left of her. He's to the left of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, too - by a lot. He's probably best described as a militant liberal. He'll say something like, "profiling can be okay, for example, literally Seinfeld is not going to blow up a plane". This is cited as "Sam Harris demands well-off white men like him should not be searched, but dark-skinned poor people should, he's racist". Harris elaborates: he means literally Seinfeld should not be searched, anybody who quite clearly is not jihadists should not be profiled, but somebody like Sam Harris himself - male, mid age, vaguely middle eastern looking - is not per default out of the profile. And you can criticize this easily, such as by arguing that then, terrorists will start focusing on children, their few blonde or east asian recruits, start masquerading as Christian, or that a component of absolute randomness is helpful for deterrence, or that this is an undue focus on islamist extremists which would open us up to other potentially dangerous groups. But instead, people simply repeat that he thinks rich white men like himself should be treated preferential. And while it might be appropriate to call him an islamophobe, or a hawk, or a warmonger, or a divider, or someone who naively underestimates the complexities of international and intercultural relations, and so on, what we have him here being called is a white supremacist - him, a liberal, atheist, anti-Christian, Clinton-voting Jew. A white supremacist, so somebody like David Duke. Because somehow, an accusation is better the more extreme it is?.. Similarly, Scott is a weirdo and wrong and uninformed about AI and has terrible friends, but there are a ton of awful things it would simply be wrong to call him, such as fascist, stupid, neoreactionary, etc. Yud is uninformed about AI, is terrible at producing or appreciating literature and a blown-up windbag, and so on, but he's not particularly racist, NRx, and so on. There are some terms that should simply reserved for those who actually deserve them - such as Moldbug. Moldbug you can, I think, confidently call closely aligned with White Supremacism in practice. But Sam Harris? Would you really call that a reasonable criticism? It's just grossly exaggerating, ignorant misrepresentation, it just misses the mark. Andrew Gelman said about Noam Chomsky: he's surrounded by people who he can safely ignore; people who idolize him, and people who demonize him. Neither of which is gonna say anything worthwhile to or about him. And that's not how you get a reasonable debate going. I'm pro open borders, against nation states, I vote hard left on everything, my main concern is climate change followed by global inequality, I'm a lifelong convinced leftist, and I'm just really displeased by our intellectual standards. That's my main worry. I actually have much higher demands for left-wing criticism of the right, because we must be better. We must, in a sense, win clean. If we get society to (keep) go(ing) our way based on bad arguments, it's questionable how much that is really worth. And for what it's worth, I'm really self critical about this idea, too. I can list you a bunch of possible counterarguments about why I might possibly be wrong here. Maybe I'm horribly wrong. The best I can promise is that if you question this, I'll think about it, and be honest about where my biases are. Parallel Paraplegic posted:I will agree that Moldbug is harmless in that he's a little string bean nerd that I could totally beat up I'm less confident I could beat up: Aurini, the fat guy in the bathtub, Trump, young Chomsky. I'm skeptical about : young Mao, Sam Harris, Goering, Christopher Hitchens. Like, I'd murder Hitler in a fair fight. No contest. I could probably beat up Scott and Hitler at the same time.
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Shut the gently caress up Cingulate
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Cingulate posted:When I'm invited on the Colbert Report in 2017, Hard to get invited to a show that ended a year and a half ago.
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Who What Now posted:Hard to get invited to a show that ended a year and a half ago.
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New video from my favorite handsome babyfaced man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpgBkpb7xlU You can tell it's feminist because there are WOMZ in it
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Cingulate posted:I'm very confident I could beat up: Stalin You are an undiagnosed mental retard. I have a lot of evidence to back this up now.
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:You are an undiagnosed mental retard. I have a lot of evidence to back this up now. Also we don't say "mental retardation" anymore and it's considered one of the most offensive words, we say "Intellectual disability" now.
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Being in the military doesn't mean you can fight, retard
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Literally The Worst posted:Being in the military doesn't mean you can fight, retard
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Wanamingo posted:New video from my favorite handsome babyfaced man "RESPECT MY VAGINA". Also, Jesus Christ I keep forgetting how absolutely horrendous Thunderfzerozerot is to look at.
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