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Lady Naga posted:It's an optics thing. You're moving your goalposts across the goddamn field now and making weird rants about how the HAVES have been oppressing the HAVE NOTS which is silly as hell.
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ImpAtom posted:You're moving your goalposts across the goddamn field now and making weird rants about how the HAVES have been oppressing the HAVE NOTS which is silly as hell. I never said that. Nobody said that.
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Mar 30, 2016 19:46
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Mr. Humalong posted:Got one. http://www.replay.gg/search/na/swankykong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7IsgUXd0-I
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Mar 30, 2016 19:47
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Lady Naga posted:I never said that. Nobody said that. "The problem is the "haves" bitching endlessly the moment the "have nots" finally get something of value that the new mechanic isn't pandering to them" implies that the poor have-nots never get anything of value. You're also literally going "gently caress you, got mine" and trying to paint it as haves/have nots which is absurd. Like there is literally no reason this mechanic has to be either/or except 'optics' which is dumb. And, again, it is skill locked. This isn't random chest drops, it is a specific skill-tied mechanic which disproportionaly rewards the 'haves' over the 'have-nots' anyway. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Mar 30, 2016 19:47
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Libertine posted:It's a new skin, we call it Pizz.  Everything is going well.
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Mar 30, 2016 19:48
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looks like you're in the bad part of canada friend
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Mar 30, 2016 19:49
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Libertine posted:It's longing to make me know what Methanar is doing today in Canada. something something chai tea latte
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Mar 30, 2016 19:49
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ImpAtom posted:"The problem is the "haves" bitching endlessly the moment the "have nots" finally get something of value that the new mechanic isn't pandering to them" implies that the poor have-nots never get anything of value. Have no idea where you're getting oppression from that, nor in what way that can be categorized as a rant. I think you're just picking a fight with me over my specific wording.
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Mar 30, 2016 19:50
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I was always under the impression that everything in Canada is so expensive that you can't buy a house nor a BMW on a single pizza-faced IT slave's salary
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Mar 30, 2016 19:51
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Lady Naga posted:Have no idea where you're getting oppression from that, nor in what way that can be categorized as a rant. I think you're just picking a fight with me over my specific wording. Because it is remarkably dumb wording and you're doing a terrible job of actually explaining why you think this mechanic is good in any way that isn't 'gently caress you, people who are not me." ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Mar 30, 2016 19:52
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i went to canada once. had one of those tim hortons coffees, it was pretty good actually. don't remember anything else about it
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Mar 30, 2016 19:53
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ImpAtom posted:Because it is remarkably dumb wording and you're doing a terrible job of actually explaining why you think this mechanic is good in any way I have an extra avenue to unlock champions that I didn't have before that is literally free and does not require a whole lot of effort. ImpAtom posted:that isn't 'gently caress you, people who are not me." 
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Mar 30, 2016 19:54
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Lovechop posted:i went to canada once. had one of those tim hortons coffees, it was pretty good actually. don't remember anything else about it You've experienced all of Canada.
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Mar 30, 2016 19:55
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Lady Naga posted:I have an extra avenue to unlock champions that I didn't have before that is literally free and does not require a whole lot of effort. You don't actually understand irony, do you? or are actually ignoring what I'm saying in favor of mentally transforming it into "gently caress those have-nots" Here is a similar mechanic that works just as well: There is one kind of essence. Champion Shards can be reduced for less essence than skin shards but also redeemed for less essence. Every shard is now worth something to everyone, new players can get champions faster, long-time players can unlock skins. The reason why Riot isn't doing this is because they want people to spend RP on skins and champions, not because of 'optics' or whatever. How does this theoretical fix hurt you, person who is getting new champions for free?
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Mar 30, 2016 19:57
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Lady Naga posted:The discussion was never about whether or not it was a super great catch up mechanic or not, it's irrelevant. The problem is the "haves" bitching endlessly the moment the "have nots" finally get something of value that the new mechanic isn't pandering to them. Why?
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ImpAtom posted:You don't actually understand irony, do you? or are actually ignoring what I'm saying in favor of mentally transforming it into "gently caress those have-nots" The irony is that this whole thing started because "haves" (again if you have a better word I'd like to hear it) were bitching that their free skin generating machine wasn't perfect because it was getting clogged up by all those stupid champion shards and essence, something that is not an issue to the grand majority of the playerbase but was still treated as some giant issue that turned the whole hextech system into a failure. ImpAtom posted:Here is a similar mechanic that works just as well: ImpAtom posted:The reason why Riot isn't doing this is because they want people to spend RP on skins and champions, not because of 'optics' or whatever. Lady Naga posted:It's only useless if you have all the champions (so, someone who isn't trying to catchup) and I somehow doubt Riot got League to be the biggest MOBA in the world by not implementing ways for people to spend money.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:01
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I'm a real lovely bronze who has started playing Gangplank pretty regularly and one thing that I always run in to is running out of mana early. I've been using Q essentially on cooldown to get more gold when farming. What's the proper laning strategy for Gangplank regarding using his abilities? Do I want to try and use it exclusively to harass?
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Mar 30, 2016 20:04
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I have two skin shards and two champ shards with three chests locked and no keys. I own all the champs which is a bummer for crafting. I would really like hextech Annie at some point. That's all I have to say thanks for reading. E: also I have to wait for another chest to become available which kinda stinks since I am so very skilled at this video game.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:04
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Prokhor posted:I'm a real lovely bronze who has started playing Gangplank pretty regularly and one thing that I always run in to is running out of mana early. I've been using Q essentially on cooldown to get more gold when farming. What's the proper laning strategy for Gangplank regarding using his abilities? Do I want to try and use it exclusively to harass?
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Mar 30, 2016 20:06
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Lady Naga posted:The irony is that this whole thing started because "haves" (again if you have a better word I'd like to hear it) were bitching that their free skin generating machine wasn't perfect because it was getting clogged up by all those stupid champion shards and essence, something that is not an issue to the grand majority of the playerbase but was still treated as some giant issue that turned the whole hextech system into a failure. So... you admit it's a bad system but want people to stop complaining about it because you personally benefit from it? Like you even admit it can be improved but then when someone complains you say they're a basement-dwelling have and don't deserve to complain. Lady Naga posted:Hey look it's that thing I said a while ago. Riot making money off it doesn't mean it isn't a lovely system for people who are not Riot.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:06
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Chumppell posted:Harass with gun when grasp is up, try to not use the gun for every cs. Use barrels to clear waves / harass. The gun is only truly valuable for farming when it's maxed, otherwise it's an extended harassment tool / used for harder hitting barrels. Pay attention to your passive and try to get a hit of it off before blowing a barrel, if it's safe. Ok makes sense. I've really just been very... passive? And standing miles away from the wave and just q'ing the waves to farm. How does gangplank trade against someone who wants to be in close eg. someone like riven? Do I use the Q to harass then and farm in melee range or stand back and farm w/ Q and barrels?
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Mar 30, 2016 20:08
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ImpAtom posted:So... you admit it's a bad system but want people to stop complaining about it because you personally benefit from it? I want people to stop acting like it's the loving end of the world that they are not personally benefiting as much as they'd like from a system that is not designed with them in mind, yes. It's literally the same issue as grognardy WoWlords complaining about Blizzard redesigning the leveling experience or implementing/tuning low-raid difficulties because as a world-first mythic raider that's time they could spend on making new awesome sicknasty high tier raids or whatever.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:09
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Lady Naga posted:I want people to stop acting like it's the loving end of the world that they are not personally benefiting as much as they'd like from a system that is not designed with them in mind, yes. It's literally the same issue as grognardy WoWlords complaining about Blizzard redesigning the leveling experience or implementing/tuning low-raid difficulties because as a world-first mythic raider that's time they could spend on making new awesome sicknasty high tier raids or whatever. Except it was designed with them in mind. The way chests drop is specifically weighted towards long-time players with a large and diverse pool of champions. The people most likely to get chests are people who play long enough to A) get S-Ranks on a ton of champions a season B) play regularly enough to get 3 key shard drops per chest. That is the 'haves' you're upset about.
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My cool Hextech Crafting story is that I got a Pulsefire Ezreal shard (hooray!) but it's going to take me months to actually get the keys and essence to turn it into a real skin (It costs almost 3000 essence boo!). Also Hextech Annie looks neat and I hope I get her.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:10
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Man I've played over 2000 games and I don't think I've unlocked even half of the champions in the game, how many games do you have to have played to have no use for champion shards?
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Mar 30, 2016 20:11
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ImpAtom posted:Except it was designed with them in mind. The way chests drop is specifically weighted towards long-time players with a large and diverse pool of champions. Not really. The chests refresh so slowly that, assuming you're working from the lowest tier of champ IP cost and working up, and you're playing regularly, you're never going to be "wasting" chest refreshes.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:11
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Bland posted:Man I've played over 2000 games and I don't think I've unlocked even half of the champions in the game, how many games do you have to have played to have no use for champion shards? I conned Riot out of ~$150 worth of IP with their Chase Debit Card and devoted all that RP to champs when they'd go up on sale.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:12
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Lady Naga posted:Not really. The chests refresh so slowly that, assuming you're working from the lowest tier of champ IP cost and working up, and you're playing regularly, you're never going to be "wasting" chest refreshes. It isn't chest refreshes that do that, it's the one chest per champion per season limit and the 3 key shards per chest with an increasingly low drop rate that refreshes monthly. Bland posted:Man I've played over 2000 games and I don't think I've unlocked even half of the champions in the game, how many games do you have to have played to have no use for champion shards? I unlocked all the champs pretty easily just playing with friends. Between first wins, the occasional free champion from promotions and stuff, IP bonuses and so-on it's not particularly hard. I don't play LoL much, I've just been playing for a long time. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Mar 30, 2016 20:13
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ImpAtom posted:It isn't chest refreshes that do that, it's the one chest per champion per season limit and the 3 key shards per chest with an increasingly low drop rate that refreshes monthly. So how does that reward people with an inbuilt wealth of champions? You earn everything at a fixed rate, it's not like someone with all champions can blaze through getting chests and have 150 chests or w/e by the end of the season faster than a poor that is unlocking a new champ every six days.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:15
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Lady Naga posted:I want people to stop acting like it's the loving end of the world that they are not personally benefiting as much as they'd like from a system that is not designed with them in mind, yes. It's literally the same issue as grognardy WoWlords complaining about Blizzard redesigning the leveling experience or implementing/tuning low-raid difficulties because as a world-first mythic raider that's time they could spend on making new awesome sicknasty high tier raids or whatever. Why?
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Mar 30, 2016 20:16
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Lady Naga posted:So how does that reward people with an inbuilt wealth of champions? You earn everything at a fixed rate, it's not like someone with all champions can blaze through getting chests and have 150 chests or w/e by the end of the season faster than a poor that is unlocking a new champ every six days. Oh. I see what's going on. You're treating this as "rich people who buy all the champions vs the poors who earn them naturally." That explains a lot, especially the have/have-not statement and the weird bitter anger.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:18
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ImpAtom posted:Oh. I see what's going on. You're treating this as "rich people who buy all the champions vs the poors who earn them naturally." That explains a lot. No I'm treating it as "people who have played long and hard enough to already own all the champions, runes, and have enough rune pages that extras are just for dumb gimmicks." You know, the thing I've been saying over and over again.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:20
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Lady Naga posted:No I'm treating it as "people who have played long and hard enough to already own all the champions, runes, and have enough rune pages that extras are just for dumb gimmicks." Lady Naga posted:faster than a poor that is unlocking a new champ every six days. Either you are, in fact, saying that or you're using a lot of weird loaded terminology for no reason. When you start framing it as haves/have-nots and 'poors' then I'm going to assume you are, in fact, talking about those things.
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henkman posted:Why? ON THE GODDAMN GROUND
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ImpAtom posted:Either you are, in fact, saying that or you're using a lot of weird loaded terminology for no reason. When you start framing it as haves/have-nots and 'poors' then I'm going to assume you are, in fact, talking about those things. I honestly don't know how else to frame it because I can't say "newbies" since that brings to mind the image of someone who just started the game, which is not what I'm talking about. It's an issue of time invested, not money. Like I've had League since 2011 or so, but I didn't really play it until this season. I'm a "newbie" in terms of experience and time invested but I still have a handful of champs built up from the various on and off play sessions I've had before.
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Lady Naga posted:I honestly don't know how else to frame it because I can't say "newbies" since that brings to mind the image of someone who just started the game, which is not what I'm talking about. It's an issue of time invested, not money. How about just 'casual player' and 'long-time player' or something? You're doing everything you can to frame it as a 'battle' between those cruel basement-dwelling grognard haves and the plucky innocent poor have-nots who just want their free champions and are complaining that the former dares to have any opinion besides shutting up. You keep saying it's ironic' but really you just want people to not say bad things about a system that benefits you and not them because... some reason? Why are they wrong to complain? If Riot fixes the system will it hurt you in some way? You're just going "shut up! Stop saying bad things" but not explaining why anyone should except by calling them grognard basement-dwellers who don't deserve an opinion.
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ImpAtom posted:How about just 'casual player' and 'long-time player' or something? You're doing everything you can to frame it as a 'battle' between those cruel basement-dwelling grognard haves and the plucky innocent poor have-nots who just want their free champions and are complaining that the former dares to have any opinion besides shutting up. Lady Naga posted:It's literally the same issue as grognardy WoWlords complaining about Blizzard redesigning the leveling experience or implementing/tuning low-raid difficulties because as a world-first mythic raider that's time they could spend on making new awesome sicknasty high tier raids or whatever. We have an entire thread dedicated to making fun of those people, am I not allowed to do the same for a similar breed of dork?
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Lady Naga posted:We have an entire thread dedicated to making fun of those people, am I not allowed to do the same for a similar breed of dork? No, because you're drawing a pretty poor comparison between the two. In the case of your example a WoW grognard is going "gently caress those new players, only I deserve to have fun." That is not what is happening here where it is not an either/or situation. As near as I can tell nobody has said anything arguing that casual players should be hosed over.
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lmfao the only thing people have said is that they don't think they should be able to get shards for things they already own and from that you get that they somehow want to what? Keep people with less champions from getting them or something? Are you really this loving stupid or disingenuous?
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henkman posted:lmfao the only thing people have said is that they don't think they should be able to get shards for things they already own and from that you get that they somehow want to what? Keep people with less champions from getting them or something? Why? ImpAtom posted:No, because you're drawing a pretty poor comparison between the two. In the case of your example a WoW grognard is going "gently caress those new players, only I deserve to have fun." That is not what is happening here where it is not an either/or situation. As near as I can tell nobody has said anything arguing that casual players should be hosed over. Lady Naga fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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