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siotle posted:For the mimics, I used the FOE radar and moving around the rooms to figure out which ones were mimics. I think it worked for all but one of the chests. For the first two rooms, yeah, but the later ones have them positioned so that at least one of the chests in a group can't be approached without getting in radar range of one of the others. So a few of them you'd have to take a guess at. And by a few I might mean one, because if I recall correctly the Yggdrasil Key chest is the only real chest that's close to Mimics. The other ones are either real chests or a group of Mimics.
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 The red spots are where you can stand to see if a chest is a Mimic or not. You're supposed to compare the chests and what you see on the FOE radar. Damage resistances are one thing, and I would say the shield could be okay for offensive Protectors if that was the case, but the decreased resistances to instant death, stuns, and every single ailment and bind just kills it for me. A support is really someone you don't want disabled in a fight.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Damage resistances are one thing, and I would say the shield could be okay for offensive Protectors if that was the case, but the decreased resistances to instant death, stuns, and every single ailment and bind just kills it for me. A support is really someone you don't want disabled in a fight. It's good for 5 Protector runs though 
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Dr. Fetus posted:
Oh, that's pretty clever. I ended up rationalizing that all but one was going to be a Mimic and then took a 50/50 shot on which middle chest was real.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:It's good for 5 Protector runs though 
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Update 30: Bear vs. Toad   Due to technical difficulties (I don't have old footage on hand), I don't have a screenshot of the initial dialogue, but here it is anyway. SYSTEM: As you move through the freezing forest, you feel an unfamiliar aura of menace, and feral growls sound in the distance... Do you remember a request asking you to defeat a group of fish monsters that have been attacking new explorers? Cass said that if you slay the fish monsters on this floor, the leader may show itself. You are unsure if the plan will work, but with no other leads, it seems it is your only possible course of action. Now, draw your respective weapons in order to eradicate the monsters drenched in blood! You see that exclamation point on the map, by the way? That's a first aid camp--we can go there for a full HP and TP restore, a maximum of three times. There, I just condensed several lines of guard dialgoue into a single sentence.   The gimmick of this quest is that every encounter on 11F is forced to be various formations of Mbengas. These things are still non-threatening, but 656 HP per enemy takes quite a bit to chew through. Also, no, one battle does not cut it. This isn't like The sun shines down where it's based solely on time--we have to fight quite a lot of Mbenga formations before we can progress.     That many, specifically. I'm unsure if the amount of fights you have to do is variable, if it's based on the number of Mbengas (not formations) you kill, but once the game considers you done, this happens.   SYSTEM: The mad roar hits your ears with a rage and ferocity unlike anything you've heard... This can only be the creatures' leader! SYSTEM: A moment later, you hear screams of terror, and monstrous roars from the direction of the extermination team's base camp! Your stomach sinking, you hurry towards the room occupied by the team's healing forces!   SYSTEM: This must be the leader commanding the horde of raiding monsters! SYSTEM: Across the camp, the extermination team lies, most near death. Atop the bodies, the troubadour girl lies still and lifeless... Before you have time to process, the beast lunges for the troubadour, glistening fangs biting down on her arm... SYSTEM: As its jaws close on her, however, a sonorous metal clang resounds in the air, and the beast darts back with a pained howl. Though unsure of what happened, you order the others to retreat with the girl, and seize your chance, surrounding the beast. SYSTEM: As the extermination team escapes, the monster turns its bloodshot gaze on you. With a snarl, it charges!     Don Mbenga HP: 9560, STR: 42, TEC: 43, VIT: 31, AGI: 24, LUC: 35 Skills:
Disable resistances: The leader of the Mbenga, it launches into a frenzy if its kind is under attack. Unlike most other event enemies we've seen, the Don Mbenga is no joke. Glacial Fin really hurts, given that it has 43 TEC, and 9560 HP is more than Chimaera had, even before the pits. If you go into this thing expecting to be able to Auto-Battle or just lightly whack it until it dies, you're probably going to be on the receiving end of a Game Over.  Don Mbenga only having 100% resistance to leg binds means it's kind of worth it for Freyja to try and bind the thing.  Asriel will deal slightly more damage than normal thanks to Don Mbenga having 125% Cut resistance. If you're wondering where his Force went, I used Issen to deal with a Mbenga encounter because I was getting sick of the things.  Mistakes were made by choosing this option.  This was stupid. I should've just had Freyja go for one of the lesser binds and have Sophie focus on the leg bind, which is actually kind of important.   And that's why it was stupid.   Crap.     poo poo poo poo poo poo this is bad.  My hand's kind of being forced here.  I thankfully learn my lesson now.     Alright, no biggie. At least no-one lost their Force due to dying.  That's just with two binds, good lord.  Knowing my luck, another bind'll have fallen off now.  Goddammit.  I don't entirely remember why I turned on Desperation here, to tell you the truth.  Imagine how painful so many fights with Realga would be if I didn't get that Warrior Song Grimoire for her all the way back before Chimaera.  Remember when Ronin were, like, super overpowered in EO2? Good memories.   I hate Evil Eye sometimes.   Alright, Freyja did a real number on the thing. We'll be done soon. ...I hope.   Several turns of auto-attacking the thing later...    SYSTEM: At the sight of their leader slain, the minions squeal in terror, and scatter desperately into the dense foliage. The monsters preying on novice explorers have now been neutralized. There should no longer be any casualties. SYSTEM: As you turn to leave, you notice something out of the corner of your eye--a wispy man with a calm smile, half-bowing to you. SYSTEM: When you turn to look properly, the man is gone. In his place, the troubadour's fiance's gauntlet lies in the pristine snow. The girl must have been wearing this since your previous quest... When you pick up the gauntlet, it crumbles away in your hands, as though whatever was holding it together has faded... SYSTEM: What's done is done. Your request has been completed. Visit the bar when you have a chance, and report to Cass.       I can't remember if I've already explained Hamaos, but if I haven't: they restore 100 HP and 20 TP to one party member. I'm not the biggest fan of them--the TP restore amount is miniscule (it's less than one cast of Ecstasy, for crying out loud), and the HP restoration's on par with a Medica II.  High Regen now heals for 60%, and increases recovery rate by 39%.  Let's do some 3rd Stratum FOE cleanup, starting with this Ambush Wolf. It's really easy to get a preemptive on them--just wait until they turn away from you, and dash towards them.     Ambush Wolf HP: 8715, STR: 42, TEC: 32, VIT: 26, AGI: 30, LUC: 27 Skills:
Disable resistances: A wolf with a curious ability to burst into a savage frenzy yet still keep focus on a target. Ambush Wolves are not to be trifled with. What I didn't note about Assault Howl up there is that the thing uses it out-of-turn--it doesn't take up the Ambush Wolf's turn. Actually, it goes after the Ambush Wolf's had its turn. That buff doubles its damage, turning an already hard-hitting enemy into what is essentially an instant-deathbringer. The conditional isn't that bad to get, honestly. The Ambush Wolf basically has normal FOE resistance to panic--50% isn't that bad. Just make sure you can burst the thing down quickly, before the panic wears off.  100% leg bind resistance is Freyja's cue.  Oh man this is a big gamble, and a potentially unnecessary one, too.  Well, I hope this works.    I've mentioned this several times, but it bears repeating: Dark Hunters and Hexers make for very good partners.    I should really get Sophie a Speed Up Grimoire, or at least hold off on Trance until three binds land. I'm losing out on quite a lot of damage by activating it when only two are active.  This'd better work.    Alright, you can probably guess what's coming up next.  Ohohoho, never mind! This is gonna be fuuuuuun.  Sophie has one turn left of Creeping Curse. This is my best shot at the conditional. Please work...  Dear sweet merciful god. That was 40% of the thing's HP.       Alright, that went incredibly smoothly. The wolf didn't even touch anyone.   Here's what the Ambush Wolf's drops unlocked.      Hell Dragon HP: 9009, STR: 40, TEC: 31, VIT: 32, AGI: 19, LUC: 35 Skills:
Disable resistances: A vicious, multi-headed monster. Some parties recommend petrifying all of its heads first! You see that conditional drop?     ...No, this wasn't the result of recording multiple times, that was legitimately my first try. Let's do some quick math for a second: Gases have a base 40% chance to inflict something. With Creeping Curse's bonus (Curse Mastery doesn't apply here), that's 120%. Matched against the Hell Dragon's petrify resistance, that's a 12% base chance... Alright, it's not entirely unreasonable, especially given that Sophie has a whopping 16 LUC advantage on the thing.   Items from the Hell Dragon's drops.        Rematch time, baby! You'll recall, when we fought this thing, I mentioned that getting its conditional drop--kill with Bash damage--was a massive pain in the rear end with the party I had, and that I'd do it at a later time. Well, Ursa's auto-attacks are Bash damage, so they'll count!  Now, I know what you're thinking. And yes, I also know what you're thinking beyond "the hot springs again?" Namely, you're thinking "you have sent a solo Ursa on a suicide mission." Surely, even a Beast couldn't solo the Gentle Toad, right?  Actually, yes they can!   On Picnic mode. Yes, EO2U lets you freely mess with the difficulty when you're not in the Labyrinth. Truthfully, I've actually been setting the game to Picnic mode when I have to grind everyone up before a boss fight or something, but this is the first time you'll actually get to see it in action. Literally all I'm having Ursa do is just Attack the thing over and over, since it has basically no hope of killing her before she kills it. A reminder on what Picnic mode actually does: quote:Picnic: Your party deals 200% more damage than normal, and takes 75% less damage than normal. All non-fixed healing is increased by 200%, as well. When your party is completely killed, you have the option to restart from one step before the battle where you died. Status ailments and binds are less likely to be inflicted on your party, and you have a higher chance of inflicting them on enemies. Certain environmental hazards in the Labyrinth also deal less damage.      This goes on for quite a while.   Picnic mode is seriously an absolute joke, and you may as well not even be playing the game if you're doing an actual playthrough on it. Consider that Hydro Jump is normally either party wipe or severe damage territory. Over fifteen turns later...   Yeah, that was kind of cheating for the conditional drop, but my only other feasible option was resting Zack and putting some axe skills on him. Phoebe's STR means she'd hit for barely anything, even with a good axe, and having to rest Zack twice (once to get the axe skills, and again to get rid of them) would've just been...bleh. This is the only time I'll be doing this, for the record. I'll otherwise be getting every other conditional drop, no matter how annoying, fair and square. But yeah, Picnic. Not worth playing on. Game's a complete joke with it--you can just turn on auto-battle for pretty much every fight, and you will win pretty much every time.   I would've really rather avoided getting the EXP from the quest, but there wasn't any way around it, honsetly.  A 1% increase to Freyja's damage; 11% to 12%.  Asriel now gets 3% bonus damage and +120 non-base accuracy when attacking before his target.  Protection Vow now reduces damage dealt to Ursa by 31%.  And Torpor Curse now has an extra 1% base chance to land. Yeah, the intermediate levels for Curses really suck.   The more astute among you might have realized I left out the Bikini Armor's other attribute: it halves all Fire, Ice, and Volt damage to whoever wears it. This isn't that great a tradeoff for +1 DEF, but you'll notice that Beasts can wear it too. See, here's the thing: collars don't actually count as armor. Normally, a character can't equip more than one body armor at once--heavy armor, light armor, clothes, you name it. This restriction also doesn't normally apply to Beasts, since they can't equip any non-collar defensive equipment that isn't specifically allowed for them--and, predictably, most body armors don't allow Beasts to equip them. The Bikini Armor, however, does. Ursa now has a normal piece of defense equipment (her collar) alongside a flat 50% reduction to elemental damage, giving the big benefit of the Bikini Armor while also negating its single weakness. She'll be keeping this thing on for the rest of the game, pretty much--it gives a far greater benefit than anything else she could equip over it. And so, that's all for now. Next time: the 4th Stratum? Nah, let's do some secret areas instead! We'll get to Ginnungagap and the 4th Stratum eventually, I swear. Rea fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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Ragnar Homsar posted:If you go into this thing expecting to be able to Auto-Battle or just lightly whack it until it dies, you're probably going to be on the receiving end of a Game Over. Don Mbenga is gonna make sure you sleep with the fishes.
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For some reason I can't quite fully articulate I have a great fondness for the name Mbenga. MBENGA
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Those Ambush Wolves were a serious pain when I played through Story Mode... Fuckers had a blue aura and still managed to wipe my party. Anyways, going onto Picnic mode to grind up everyone else is actually a pretty good idea, I was wondering how you managed to keep everyone up to speed when I couldn't. (I thought you were using the EXP tea and just resting them all to get a reasonable level...)
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Ambush Wolves are really easy to deal with if you have a Protector. They always use a physical attack on odd turns, and Frost Fang on even turns. They never deviate from this pattern, even when they drop low. So just have the Protector tank the physical hits and Ice Wall the Frost Fangs. Also the Bikini Armor is pretty much a reference to EO3, only it got rebalanced. Maybe it was a hint at EO3U, except EOV probably put a wrench in those plans. Who knows if that game will actually come out now.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Ambush Wolves are really easy to deal with if you have a Protector. They always use a physical attack on odd turns, and Frost Fang on even turns. They never deviate from this pattern, even when they drop low. So just have the Protector tank the physical hits and Ice Wall the Frost Fangs. I could see EOU3 happening on whatevr the next Nintendo handheld is.
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Huh. Did not know that about Beasts and the Bikini Armor. That ought to make the 5 Beast run manageable  I'd just use a grimoire to get the drop, though - IIRC you could have Trample by now from the Sleipnirs, which is decent on Beasts or Protectors.
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Junpei Hyde posted:I could see EOU3 happening on whatevr the next Nintendo handheld is. My personal theory is that if EO3U is going to happen, it's still going to be on the 3DS since I don't think Atlus is really willing to go through the trouble of porting EO5's engine/writing a new one for whatever Nintendo's next handheld thing is, at least for a remake.
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I definitely think Untold 3 will happen and be 3DS. Untold 4, on the other hand, is much less likely at the moment and certainly not coming out on 3DS. That would be one to come out on Nintendo's next handheld, if at all. But the Untold series was made to bring the older games up to the same technical and mechanical level as the other 3DS games. Which is good, cause wow have the older games aged.
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Arcade Rabbit posted:I definitely think Untold 3 will happen and be 3DS. Untold 4, on the other hand, is much less likely at the moment and certainly not coming out on 3DS. That would be one to come out on Nintendo's next handheld, if at all. But the Untold series was made to bring the older games up to the same technical and mechanical level as the other 3DS games. Which is good, cause wow have the older games aged. EO1 is amazingly janky in coding and stuff. Like it's a bit more well put together than EO2, but figuratively its held together with tape and glue. It also hates the player in terms of QOL stuff. Like Resting used to cost 10 levels and the option couldn't be used until level 30. Screwed up a character's skill build? Better grind up a new one!
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Arcade Rabbit posted:Untold 4, on the other hand, is much less likely at the moment and certainly not coming out on 3DS. That would be one to come out on Nintendo's next handheld, if at all. I'm not sure there will be an Untold 4, since there's already a narrative to the game and it has a good number of the QoL features that EOU has.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I'm not sure there will be an Untold 4, since there's already a narrative to the game and it has a good number of the QoL features that EOU has. All of the Etrian Odyssey games have had narratives; it's just the Untold games give you a party of preset characters who react to it and interact with the NPCs, as opposed to you creating the characters yourself and filling in the blanks in your head.
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Yeah, in hindsight, I have no idea why I wrote that, especially since I've seen LPs of all three games.
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Its actually part of why I want an Untold 4. 4 is the closest one to having a concrete story on its own, and an actual plot and characters. So, considering what they did with Untold 2, I'd be really interested in seeing how they could expand with an Untold 3 and especially 4. Like I said though, especially with all of the QoL things in 4 and 4 being the sort of standard the Untolds are bringing up to or beyond, we won't be seeing an Untold 4 for a good while. If they even do it at all.
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All Untold 4 needs to have is the ability to run. That's all I care about.
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I guess big damage dealers aren't going to be dishing out Bash damage, just as a general rule?
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Glazius posted:I guess big damage dealers aren't going to be dishing out Bash damage, just as a general rule? Outside of Protectors who use the shield made from the Mimic drops? No. Oh god no. Beasts and Axe Landschts are really your only choice if you intend to go for conditionals like that. Also I'd say using Picnic for those ungodly Curse drops, but you'd be better off on the hardest mode of the game to let them get the damage in on your party to kill you and in turn kill themselves. But yea, if you intend on getting Bash based conditional drops, use Shield Bash with the Mimic shield.
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Kemix posted:Outside of Protectors who use the shield made from the Mimic drops? No. Oh god no. Beasts and Axe Landschts are really your only choice if you intend to go for conditionals like that. Also I'd say using Picnic for those ungodly Curse drops, but you'd be better off on the hardest mode of the game to let them get the damage in on your party to kill you and in turn kill themselves. But yea, if you intend on getting Bash based conditional drops, use Shield Bash with the Mimic shield. In older games, curse damage didn't trigger if the attacker killed the target, to prevent abuses. Did they change that?
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Omobono posted:In older games, curse damage didn't trigger if the attacker killed the target, to prevent abuses. Did they change that? Curse still doesn't trigger if the cursed entity kills something, no. It does trigger, however, if it hits a unit that has an endure effect. If something hit Ursa for, say, 100000 damage, and she either procced Aegis/Deadly Resolve or was in the middle of True Endurance, the enemy that hit her would take 50000 curse damage.
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So, I was wondering. We've gone through a whole Stratum with the Story party and I was wondering, which Story mode character (Fafnir excluded) do you like the most so far? If you're wondering what this poll is really about, starting from the next Stratum, we'll have the ability to view the inn scenes in whatever order we want.
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Chloe. Stabbing is good. 
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Flavio, hands down. The others are honestly really good in their own right, but I really like Flavio the best.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:36
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Bertrand needs more love as far as I'm concerned.
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My vote goes for Bertrand because I like his cynism and old man attitude.
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Ah, that is a tough choice, unlike the EOU party, but I'll go with Flavio, it's way too much fun to mess with him.
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Chloe. Danger...is dangerous.
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Mar 30, 2016 22:07
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Chloe because I'm a sucker for deadpan goofballs
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Arianna.
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Wulfgar... if he ever joined again  But I'll go with Bertrand.
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Bertrand. He's the most interesting character in the Story cast
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Alright, well voting is closed. Bertrand - 4 Chloe - 3 Flavio - 2 Arianna - 1 Thank you for your time!
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https://zippy.gfycat.com/TalkativeSilverHoneycreeper.webm By not voting for Arianna, we have put off having to see the scene in which she spends an eternity blinking at Knight in a very strange manner (guess who found a Mobiclip codec decoder and figured out how to make webms)
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Ragnar Homsar posted:https://zippy.gfycat.com/TalkativeSilverHoneycreeper.webm
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How tragic. Her nose was eaten by a labyrinth monster. Also, I still need to get Flavio's dumb CG in order to 100% EO2U, so I guess I have to redo Story Mode.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:https://zippy.gfycat.com/TalkativeSilverHoneycreeper.webm is this the part where i post the lovely youtube video i made
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