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beatlegs posted:I'm hearing the "it was a hypothetical!" argument all over the place now. Like so loving what? Are hypothetical questions asked of presidential candidates unprecedented or something? Also, it's not really a hypothetical in the way they're making it out to be. He says he pro-life and that means outlawing abortion. The fact that they can't answer a very basic question about what their plans are is very telling. It means they're not serious beyond exploiting the issue to con voters into identifying with them. Bernie Sanders talks about universal healthcare, and gets asked, "well how would we pay for that?" Is that a gotcha question? Is that a hypothetical? I mean it presumes Sanders gets the nomination, wins the general, and then gets a universal healthcare bill through congress. It's stupid, and it's just the right wing being angry that their candidate couldn't give a simple answer without lying, saying something crazy, or just being totally wrong. It's completely childish bullshit. If they were children they would be whining to their parents about how they got a D on their math test because the teacher doesn't like them. Right wingers wouldn't accept that argument from their kids, but for some reason it's okay for Drumpf, Palin, or anybody else the right wing likes. The whole concept of journalists asking "gotcha" questions and getting sick burns on candidates is so stupid. Politicians refuse to answer questions, dodge questions, answer the question they wish had been asked, answer questions nobody asked, and sometimes even get up and walk out on an interview if they think the interviewer is hostile or biased. There's a bunch of tools in the toolbox to deal with questions. Nobody put Palin in the rig from A Clockwork Orange and forced her to look like a rube on national TV. She did that all by herself. She performed badly in the moment. She was not a good candidate. ErIog fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Apr 1, 2016 |
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So looking through Matt Walsh Facebook post about how we shouldn't punish the woman but should put the doctors and staff on thousands of capital murder charges, about 85% of commenters disagree with Walsh and say women should be punished as well as the doctors. A lot of "if you hire a hit man for your baby you should also be punished"
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:So looking through Matt Walsh Facebook post about how we shouldn't punish the woman but should put the doctors and staff on thousands of capital murder charges, about 85% of commenters disagree with Walsh and say women should be punished as well as the doctors. Traditionally that is what happened. In the '10s through the '40s the boyfriend would go to jail along with the abortionist. The women would be publicly shamed but things can't be criminals
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Shbobdb posted:Traditionally that is what happened. In the '10s through the '40s the boyfriend would go to jail along with the abortionist. The women would be publicly shamed but things can't be criminals I mean how do you lock up property? Just doesnt make sense.
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Ah, so we're bringing back Weregild! So FirstToLast believes the life of a human fetus is $100. Good to know they set the market price for potential baby harvesting. Soon rich people will be able to pay their way to legal murder!
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/top-conservative-writer-is-a-group-effort-sources-say#.wpgMnreQr quote:Yiannopoulos told BuzzFeed News that all uses of the n-word in PROJECT MILO were ironic. “A lot of these guys are young 4chan guys,” he said, referring to his interns. “They use it in the sense that message boards use it … It was the n-word with an -a, not with an -er — they were quoting hip-hop lyrics.” Hahaha Yes I'm sure all those young 4chan guys weren't using the n word in a racist way.
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4chan is totally known for proper usage of historically racist terms. They would never use such language with the intent of offending anyone and neither would Milo!
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quote:Immediately after the warning from “milo,” a user named “marc” adds “that also includes anyone saying ‘sieg heil’ to me in shitposting, you know who you are.” Incredible
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:Hahaha Most of those boards don't even hide that they're white supremacists these days.
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Hahahahaha Milo is the same as ants. http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/top-conservative-writer-is-a-group-effort-sources-say?utm_term=.mnz720QpA#.oo3r6K05z
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More ideas for punishments from Matt Walsh commentersquote:To me this is actually a two-part question. What do we do with those who have been "involved" in abortion once it's outlawed (including post-abortive women) and how will the judicial system deal with abortion going forward in a future pro-life America (God willing)?  quote:We are wrong to excuse women from punishment. If girls grew up knowing they would have to spend some time in jail (maybe a year?) if they murdered their baby, then possibly they would not be so quick to do so. It IS murder and yes, she does know what she is doing. We are wrong to let girls grow up always thinking they are always the victim and can do anything they want to and get away with it.
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Crabtree posted:Ah, so we're bringing back Weregild! So FirstToLast believes the life of a human fetus is $100. Good to know they set the market price for potential baby harvesting. Sounds good to me. As long as I can afford to pay twenty cows, I can murder the mayor and loot his homestead. Provided I declare my intent in advance, of course. Secret murder invites eldritch abominations.
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Orlanth will make this nation great again!
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computer parts posted:The Democrats in the 70s were acting very similarly to the Republicans today. Their existing base was fracturing and rebelling and all they could do was say how much like [Great President] they were, like they had for the past 30 years (in this case, FDR). My pipe dream is that the GOP dies and the Democratic party fractures into a democratic socialist party or labor party and a liberal party. Would it be crazy to imagine the GOP reading the writing on the wall wrt populism (ie Bernie doing well on progressive populism, Trump dominating on regressive populism), realizing that regressive/racist populism is doomed to failure because the white vote can't wholly carry elections anymore, and pivot (hard) to the left, past the Democrats and become a progressive party? I feel like it's no stranger than the realignment during the civil rights era when the parties basically flipflopped in terms of who was conservative and who was progressive. (Actual question, I don't know enough to make a real judgement as to whether it has a snowball's chance in hell of happening or not)
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beatlegs posted:I'm hearing the "it was a hypothetical!" argument all over the place now. Like so loving what? Are hypothetical questions asked of presidential candidates unprecedented or something? Yeah, just heard this from Rush. He also introduced some other interesting excuses: - The president can't make abortion illegal anyway, as abortion was made legal thanks to a Supreme Court decision, so it was a completely pointless question. Nevermind that whole vacant Supreme Court seat that a hypothetical anti-abortion president could fill... - Rush says that neither he nor anyone in the conservative movement thinks that abortion will ever be illegal, so there was no need to ask about it.
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Magres posted:My pipe dream is that the GOP dies and the Democratic party fractures into a democratic socialist party or labor party and a liberal party. It doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
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Mr Interweb posted:And what is this crap about NO TRUE CONSERVATIVE(tm) would ever want to punish a woman for having an abortion? Unless I'm mistaken, wasn't there a case recently where some state (Mississippi, I think?) charged a woman with 20 years of jail time for having a late term abortion or something?
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And by the way, can I just say how it's hilarious that Republicans keep flailing on abortion during presidential years? In 2012 Romney flubbed badly on contraception and idiots like Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock helped Dems keep the senate. They still haven't learned how to handle the issue after all these years.
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Well once again they are kind of stuck. Most people are appalled at the idea of criminalizing miscarriages. However as Walsh showed, his base is even more bloodthirsty than he is (or at least he wants to show in public) and wants women in jail for having abortions. There's no middle ground or compromise anymore since the pro-lifers are are starting to go down the path of "well allowing any abortion is still killing a baby" so rape and incest or "health of the mother" shouldn't be factors.
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Magres posted:Would it be crazy to imagine the GOP reading the writing on the wall wrt populism (ie Bernie doing well on progressive populism, Trump dominating on regressive populism), realizing that regressive/racist populism is doomed to failure because the white vote can't wholly carry elections anymore, and pivot (hard) to the left, past the Democrats and become a progressive party? In real life, someone will learn how to dogwhistle the racism better and win an election.
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Magres posted:My pipe dream is that the GOP dies and the Democratic party fractures into a democratic socialist party or labor party and a liberal party. It's important to remember that before the last realignment really took off, the Republicans had been economically right of the Democrats for decades, and wasn't, nationally, unfriendly to social conservatism. Meanwhile, northern Democrats were already more socially progressive than northern Republicans (much of the reason for their conflict with southern Democrats.) As much as each party changed, the seeds for what they would become were there and had been for some time. So I mean, the Republican name might one day be attached to the leftward party, but if this cycle triggers it it's still a decades off thing.
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Radish posted:Well once again they are kind of stuck. Most people are appalled at the idea of criminalizing miscarriages. However as Walsh showed, his base is even more bloodthirsty than he is (or at least he wants to show in public) and wants women in jail for having abortions. There's no middle ground or compromise anymore since the pro-lifers are are starting to go down the path of "well allowing any abortion is still killing a baby" so rape and incest or "health of the mother" shouldn't be factors. That and since gay marriage became legal despite Scalia, a black democrat is still in the white house, and socialism isn't acting as a dirty word to anybody who isn't already part of their base, abortion is one of the few big moral panic issues they can still fall back on.
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My suspicion is that the big reason for the Republican Party's problems is that while most of their members have no issues with a few or even many of their more reprehensible views, almost none of them agree with all of them and they're now faced with the challenge of either accepting those views as well ( which can be contradictory) or being forced to reevaluate their allegiance to the party and hitting a brick wall.
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Taerkar posted:My suspicion is that the big reason for the Republican Party's problems is that while most of their members have no issues with a few or even many of their more reprehensible views, almost none of them agree with all of them and they're now faced with the challenge of either accepting those views as well ( which can be contradictory) or being forced to reevaluate their allegiance to the party and hitting a brick wall. I would agree with this. I would also think that due to the way that public perception on social issues is swinging to the left, more and more people are seeing the GOP's hard line stances as being very out of touch with reality. But your original point is pretty spot on, here is just a few of the first searches on Google for "I didn't leave the GOP, it left me." http://www.forwardprogressives.com/i-didnt-leave-the-gop-it-left-me/ http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/StreetTalk/Ben-Bernanke-Republican-Party-GOP-Federal-Reserve/2015/10/07/id/695078/ http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/06/former_fl_gov_charlie_crist_addresses_dnc_i_didnt_leave_gop_it_left_me.html
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Glenn Beck thinks that Vice President Carly Fiorina would take control of Congress on behalf of President Cruz.quote:Beck laid out a scenario in which Cruz, being so well-versed in the Constitution, literally places his own vice president in charge of controlling the Senate.
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Kro-Bar posted:Glenn Beck thinks that Vice President Carly Fiorina would take control of Congress on behalf of President Cruz. Why the right thinks that Carly Fiorina is anything but an empty suit is something that I'll never understand. She must make a hell of an impression in person or something like that. Also, lol if Glenn thinks that Mitch McConnell is going to let any Executive branch apparatchiks come in and tell him that he's riding bitch from now on. She'd be there less than a minute before he and Harry Reid team up to beat her to death in the cloakroom.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Why the right thinks that Carly Fiorina is anything but an empty suit is something that I'll never understand. She must make a hell of an impression in person or something like that. They are that far out of tough with reality. They honestly think that the reason the Democrats did well with a black man, and the reason they're doing well with both a woman and a socialist, is entirely because of tokenism. So they keep desperately grabbing for any token they can get. In a way, Fiorina did leave an impression but it was much the same way that Palin did: the GOP was so desperate for said token woman they grabbed her hard enough to leave an imprint in their hand and now they're stuck with her.
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Kro-Bar posted:Glenn Beck thinks that Vice President Carly Fiorina would take control of Congress on behalf of President Cruz. So he would be in favor of Obama sending Biden in to take charge until January? I'm betting "no"... because, well, reasons.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Why the right thinks that Carly Fiorina is anything but an empty suit is something that I'll never understand. She must make a hell of an impression in person or something like that. She can deliver a forceful rant in an aggressive clipped tone, which is impressive and makes you think she's passionate and knows her stuff, until you see her speak more than once and realize that's just how she says everything.
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I was an intern at HP when Carly was in charge. She delivered a great speech for the orientation. As soon as she opened the floor for questioning and started getting asked hard questions she lost her poo poo. At a room full of 20 year olds.
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Killer robot posted:It's important to remember that before the last realignment really took off, the Republicans had been economically right of the Democrats for decades, and wasn't, nationally, unfriendly to social conservatism. Meanwhile, northern Democrats were already more socially progressive than northern Republicans (much of the reason for their conflict with southern Democrats.) As much as each party changed, the seeds for what they would become were there and had been for some time. That's fair, I was unaware of the internal workings that lead up to that shift, so it makes sense that a reversal is completely impossible barring decades of political change
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Spite posted:I was an intern at HP when Carly was in charge. She delivered a great speech for the orientation. Details damnit.  .
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Kro-Bar posted:Glenn Beck thinks that Vice President Carly Fiorina would take control of Congress on behalf of President Cruz.
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This whole thing about "hypothetical questions" being used as a defense really is a dumb and a blatantly obvious talking point. Someone somewhere told all these guys to keep repeating the word "hypothetical". But as others have pointed out, it's still a juvenile way to defend horrible answers to honest questions. I mean, candidates are asked hypothetical questions all the time. It's part of the process since no one knows what will happen by the time they take office and no one can predict the future. "Hypothetically speaking, if 'x' were to happen, would you put boots on the ground, veto this bill, raise taxes, use nuclear force, expand or slash funding for program "y", advocate for citizens to do 'z'? Would you ban THIS? What would you do in the event of a, b and c?" and what have you. This is nothing new and political candidates are always asked these types of questions. Strictly speaking, EVERY question a candidate gets is hypothetical since it's based off the assumption that they'll even be elected in the first place. What's wrong with asking someone "if this happened, what would you do and what should happen?"
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Intel&Sebastian posted:"Hey Jim, where's this one going?" i'd watch the gently caress out of 'Kim and Jim'.
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CortezFantastic posted:People in general are not likely to switch parties from where their parents were. I'm not so sure about that. In fact, I'd say he opposite is true, at least in the short term and when heir kids are young.
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