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thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
Remember when everybody was into those weird programs where you run them and they could dedicate idle cpu processing to trying to prove the existence of alien life somehow? seti@home think

whats the story with that? I recall thinking it was bs when i was first finding out about it as a young internet pioneer circa late 90's.

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boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

im not sure about seti@home but i ran a computer lab at a kid's science museum a while back and you better believe all 24 machines were set to fold@home for the 18 hours a day the lab wasn't open.

empty baggie
Oct 22, 2003

Seti@home was a built-in app on the PS3. I don't think it's built into the PS4, though it may be downloadable.


EDIT: never mind. It wasn't Seti@home, but some kind of cancer curing app that used the CPU to calculate something or other. Fold@home I guess.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

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Gotta nuke something
Did fold@home ever have any real big breakthroughs? Something they could say "Thanks to everyone participating, we cured X thing!".

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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I knew a guy who was really into Seti@home and would show me the graph output. One time he got a signal that repeated at the same strength/frequency/whatever at regular intervals for several hours. He thought it was interesting but he wasn't dumb enough to believe he found aliens and just panned it as "an orbiting screwdriver or something" because they pick up radio waves from goddamn near everything.

WescottF1 posted:

I was a huge fan of WinMX back in its day. Found a ton of rare 80s hard rock/hair metal with it. If I remember correctly, one of the developers got mad and launched a bunch of huge DDOS attacks on it and rendered it useless.

Hah, I forgot about WinMX. I remember using it for a short while because it was able to get blazingly fast download speeds on my lovely dialup connection (I'm talking like double or triple what Limewire et al. could get). I remember the UI being garbage though, but that's par for the course as far as that category of software goes.

Then there was Morpheus where all the music you download is porn and all the porn you download is music horrible computer-destroying viruses :allears:

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Did fold@home ever have any real big breakthroughs? Something they could say "Thanks to everyone participating, we cured X thing!".

Since its launch on October 1, 2000, the Pande Lab has produced 129 scientific research papers as a direct result of Folding@home.[7] Results from the project's simulations agree favorably with experiments.[8][9][10]

dpf
Sep 17, 2011



big up

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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I only recently and reluctantly stopped using Snapz Pro X, once OS X integrated all the various composited screenshot modes into the core OS.

me your dad
Jul 25, 2006

does anyone remember a free disc that probably came with a magazine where you control some sort of coconut monkey (maybe?) and it would say something to the effect of "YES" every time you picked up whatever object? probably late late 90's or 2000, 2001. I think the coconut monkey was the mascot for the company who produced it.

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

me your dad posted:

does anyone remember a free disc that probably came with a magazine where you control some sort of coconut monkey (maybe?) and it would say something to the effect of "YES" every time you picked up whatever object? probably late late 90's or 2000, 2001. I think the coconut monkey was the mascot for the company who produced it.

Pc gamer

woodch
Jun 13, 2000

This'll kill ya!

Oh poo poo! MAELSTOM!

Wasted a lot of afternoons sitting in the Apple repair shop with nothing to do but blast rocks and aliens. Did they ever port that to PC?

Samuel L. ACKSYN
Feb 29, 2008


woodch posted:

Oh poo poo! MAELSTOM!

Wasted a lot of afternoons sitting in the Apple repair shop with nothing to do but blast rocks and aliens. Did they ever port that to PC?


apparently they open sourced it and someone ported it to windows (as well as like every os ever)

https://www.libsdl.org/projects/Maelstrom/bin/

woodch
Jun 13, 2000

This'll kill ya!

Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:

apparently they open sourced it and someone ported it to windows (as well as like every os ever)

https://www.libsdl.org/projects/Maelstrom/bin/

Well, there goes my weekend. Thanks!

Robnoxious
Feb 17, 2004

empty baggie posted:

Seti@home was a built-in app on the PS3. I don't think it's built into the PS4, though it may be downloadable.
PS3 had a Fold@Home as a preinstalled app not Seti.
There was even a Goon Group for a time that top ranked the leaderboard but fell out of favor when gamer goons came to the harsh reality that essentially watching a disk defrag was boring.
But when it came to a defrag, you just HAD to watch it complete end to end.

You know you watched this poo poo more than whatever was on television.



Gotta get those squares all aligned!
YOU. JUST. GOTTA!

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

Robnoxious posted:


You know you watched this poo poo more than whatever was on television.



Gotta get those squares all aligned!
YOU. JUST. GOTTA!

Oh wow, there's something I haven't seen in a while.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Lowen SoDium posted:

Rightfax can also eat my rear end. Biggest mistake I ever made in my career was making that thing work over VoIP. I wish I could travel back in time and kick my self in the balls for that one.

I'm not an expert in this stuff, but is the one of the things where you'd go "yeah we might just need to keep one analog line"?

thathonkey posted:

Remember when everybody was into those weird programs where you run them and they could dedicate idle cpu processing to trying to prove the existence of alien life somehow? seti@home think

whats the story with that? I recall thinking it was bs when i was first finding out about it as a young internet pioneer circa late 90's.

Yeah I had the same feeling about it being BS, and also was annoyed when I was the IT guy and people were running that stuff and we were getting charged for the bandwidth it was using.

On the other hand, I thought the thing you ran on your PC that tried to crack RC5 seemed like a good idea, being an IT nerd and all.

Pham Nuwen posted:

google "Index of:"

:monocle: Never thought of that!

Also thanks Robnoxious for the defrag screenshot, nice blast from the past.

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Apr 22, 2013

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Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:

apparently they open sourced it and someone ported it to windows (as well as like every os ever)

https://www.libsdl.org/projects/Maelstrom/bin/

Someone wrote a drat good bot for it too.

Fun to randomly click in anywhere past the 45 minute mark and just say WTF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQeSnOUqx-M

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
Long time reader first time poster here. Would there be any advantage to running freedos in a vm versus using dos box?

Il take my answer off the air. Thank you

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

8 track betamax posted:

Long time reader first time poster here. Would there be any advantage to running freedos in a vm versus using dos box?

Il take my answer off the air. Thank you

i assumed DOS box worked by making a virtual machine of an old DOS PC, just like most emulators. if thats the case there wouldn't be any improvement.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



thathonkey posted:

Remember when everybody was into those weird programs where you run them and they could dedicate idle cpu processing to trying to prove the existence of alien life somehow? seti@home think

whats the story with that? I recall thinking it was bs when i was first finding out about it as a young internet pioneer circa late 90's.

Not really bullshit, just a hell of a long shot. IIRC it ran out of Berkeley and was one of if not the very first distributed computing applications of its kind. I ran it for a bit, but it was kind of doomed when things like folding@home came out... People would imply that you were literally Hitler because you ran SETI@home instead of folding@home.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

8 track betamax posted:

Long time reader first time poster here. Would there be any advantage to running freedos in a vm versus using dos box?

Il take my answer off the air. Thank you
I don't think so. Assuming you just want to play old DOS games, DOSbox would probably be quicker and easier since you can just mount folders from your hard disk instead of messing around with virtual drive images (and there are SVN builds that add a menu bar to make things easier, 3dfx emulation etc...) and you can control the speed of the CPU directly if something's running too fast or too slow.

If you wanna mess with old versions of Windows, though, definitely use VirtualBox. DOSbox supposedly handles Win3.1 decently enough, but its not really the focus.

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


Rutibex posted:

i assumed DOS box worked by making a virtual machine of an old DOS PC, just like most emulators. if thats the case there wouldn't be any improvement.

DOSbox is a complete emulator, which emulates everything from the processor to the 90s-era sound and graphic hardware. It's geared towards DOS games and programs that rely on that hardware. It also has an implementation of DOS built in.

VM hypervisors like Vmware, Virtualbox, and Hyper-V try to do as little emulation as possible, and use your computer's built-in virtualization support to divide your computer's raw horsepower between multiple OSes concurrently. My guess is it probably wouldn't be that great for DOS, since it will expose modern hardware features to a really old OS.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

The Kins posted:

If you wanna mess with old versions of Windows, though, definitely use VirtualBox. DOSbox supposedly handles Win3.1 decently enough, but its not really the focus.

DOSbox will do Windows 98 with Glide/D3D support. The problem with VirtualBox is that it doesn't and never will support any kind of hardware graphics acceleration for Windows 98 and below.

If you're interested:

http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=36053

http://ykhwong.x-y.net/

http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=17324

VOGONS is generally a pretty good resource to getting old poo poo running.

Tiny Timbs has a new favorite as of 16:04 on Apr 2, 2016

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Buca di Bepis posted:

DOSbox will do Windows 98 with Glide/D3D support.
Huh. Last I checked, DOSbox didn't handle Windows 95 especially well. How times change...

Police Automaton
Mar 17, 2009
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I ran Seti@home a lot. Think I started with a Pentium and ended contributing on a Pentium 3. That was also the time where I basically never turned off the computer. Today that'd be an expensive hobby, having a modern higher-end CPU push all it's cores to 100% 24/7. That requires financial dedication.

FreeDOS you can even run on modern CPUs bare metal, the most modern CPU I ran it on was an Atom N270, but newer ones should be possible. Ran Daggerfall absolutely fine and very smooth. (well no suprise there compared to old Pentiums and 486s that's one fast CPU) It was a lot faster than to run DosBox on that particular CPU because DosBox does quite a bit more than well, run DOS. (as has been said) Biggest problem was sound, there wasn't any as there was of course no sound support for intels HDA. I could imagine in VM-Software not geared towards this usage you'd run into similar problems. That's the biggest thing you have to "get right" in emulation.

If you're running Linux, there's also Dosemu2, a fork of the now abandoned Dosemu. It does a bit less emulation than DosBox and works more like a VM and is also considerably faster on older and slower machines. (almost native speed of the host system) You can even configure it to use outside midi and it comes with sound emulation.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Police Automaton posted:

I ran Seti@home a lot. Think I started with a Pentium and ended contributing on a Pentium 3. That was also the time where I basically never turned off the computer. Today that'd be an expensive hobby, having a modern higher-end CPU push all it's cores to 100% 24/7. That requires financial dedication.

Eh, 2-3x the dissipated power of a Pentium III on a modern i7 (91W with the latest Skylake). That works out to about 10 hours of operation per kWh, and where I live it's about $0.13/kWh. So, what, $0.30/day to run your processor flat-out?

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Mar 17, 2009
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Pham Nuwen posted:

Eh, 2-3x the dissipated power of a Pentium III on a modern i7 (91W with the latest Skylake). That works out to about 10 hours of operation per kWh, and where I live it's about $0.13/kWh. So, what, $0.30/day to run your processor flat-out?

I pay ~€0.30/kWh. $0.30 a day would still be about $110 a year. Electricity also used to be quite a bit cheaper here. In my case that'd be about ~€240 a year, or €1200 in 5 years. A bit too much just to see a number go up, for my taste.

Nierbo
Dec 5, 2010

sup brah?
Dexdrive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DexDrive

quote:

Mainly, the purpose of the device was to provide a more economical solution for game data storage. The DexDrive was sold at retail for roughly the same price as two Sony- or Nintendo-branded memory cards—$50 MSRP in the U.S. The official cards had a capacity of only 128 KB, far less than even a floppy disk. Cost and capacity were much more favorable on a PC due to the efficiency of hard disk drives. For the cost of two memory cards, DexDrive owners had the opportunity to store effectively limitless amounts of game data by transferring files as needed between the memory cards and the PC. Additionally, as PC files, game data could be shared over the Internet or be used with console emulators.
DexPlorer 1.0

The product shipped with a Windows driver application, called DexPlorer, on two 3.5" floppy disks. Updated software, which addressed many of the problematic issues in the pack-in software, was available for several years on the InterAct corporate website. Unofficial software has also been written by various authors. In some cases, competitors supported the DexDrive in order to claim de facto compatibility. In other cases, DexDrive users wrote their own software to address the shortcomings of DexPlorer.

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Apr 24, 2014

8 track betamax posted:

Long time reader first time poster here. Would there be any advantage to running freedos in a vm versus using dos box?

To add to some of the other answers:

I think DOSBox gives you more RAM because the OS isn't really running inside the virtual machine. It also emulates a better range of graphics and audio hardware and I think it is easier to get sound working under DOSBox. Lots of VMs won't provide sound hardware that older software recognizes.

If you want to run actual DOS and maybe Windows on top of it, I wouldn't choose VirtualBox. Here are some options: pce, pcem, pcemu, qemu, bochs. PCE I seem to recall can emulate XTs through 486s well and you can even play around in the winbios (remember when they wanted to make your BIOS setup look like Windows 3.x? maybe I already posted that in this thread), Bochs I think only starts from Pentium. I should look to see if there is a nice wikipedia page which lists all these tools and what their features are but :effort:

If you're running old DOS apps you can run into severe compatibility problems depending on what type of memory they want to use, DPMI etc.

Samuel L. ACKSYN
Feb 29, 2008




the dexdrive is ok but how about the Interact Memory Disk Drive





so games would save on that memory card thing and then you push a button on the floppy drive and it transfers the saves over to a floppy disk. if you wanted to load from a disk, you push the other button to copy from the floppy to the memory card.


the playstation had a lot of weird add-ons

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003



DexDrive was awesome. 2 different Final Fantasy Tactics save editors for FFT Dexdrive saves existed (and still exist!)

http://www.m-l.org/~greerga/fftnet/fftastic/main.html
http://www.m-l.org/~greerga/fftnet/fftedit/

DexDrive was what gave me the entire-summer-wasting idea of doing a Xenogears playthrough and keeping a save file for literally every save point in the game. Dunno what I was thinking back then.

Nierbo
Dec 5, 2010

sup brah?
That looks sweet actually..

How about the pocket station



SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

drunk asian neighbor posted:

DexDrive was awesome. 2 different Final Fantasy Tactics save editors for FFT Dexdrive saves existed (and still exist!)

http://www.m-l.org/~greerga/fftnet/fftastic/main.html
http://www.m-l.org/~greerga/fftnet/fftedit/

DexDrive was what gave me the entire-summer-wasting idea of doing a Xenogears playthrough and keeping a save file for literally every save point in the game. Dunno what I was thinking back then.

woah I remember renting tactics and begging pops to buy a memory card. We came straight off NES and the "save your game" thing was a completely alien concept.

E: this post

Nierbo
Dec 5, 2010

sup brah?
Demo disks too. God I would play those PSX demos for days on end, thinking how awesome I was for saving money and basically getting games for free!!! I was like 10 and didn't buy games myself anyway

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Aug 2, 2004

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Nierbo posted:

Demo disks too. God I would play those PSX demos for days on end, thinking how awesome I was for saving money and basically getting games for free!!! I was like 10 and didn't buy games myself anyway

PlayStation underground was the poo poo! Hell they even hid demos with codes

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
I literally still have some demo disks

Nierbo
Dec 5, 2010

sup brah?
The one that came with my psx had abes odyssee and lifeforce tenka and a few other obscure ones that I never even saw released in the store.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Nierbo posted:

Demo disks too. God I would play those PSX demos for days on end, thinking how awesome I was for saving money and basically getting games for free!!! I was like 10 and didn't buy games myself anyway

i loved demo discs. lots of PSX games are pretty poo poo anyway, but worth playing for a level or two. demo discs let you enjoy that one level for free

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
Just wanted to pop in to thank everyone who gave info on dosbox vs. Freedos in vm. Very interesting. Plus it led me to staying up most of night getting windows 3.1 installed in dosbox and also setting up some rad direct access dos menus with all my games in there.... Just like the old days.

Now I boot into dosbox load windows from Norton commander... Fire up skifree. Life is.... OK again.

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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Nierbo posted:

That looks sweet actually..

How about the pocket station





I don't think this ever made it to the US. The Dreamcast VMUs were basically the same thing, though. Also, the PC version of Final Fantasy 8 came with a little desktop app that was the Pocket Station game from the Japanese PS1 release. It was neat, would get you some good poo poo for the actual game.

SniperWoreConverse posted:

woah I remember renting tactics and begging pops to buy a memory card. We came straight off NES and the "save your game" thing was a completely alien concept.

E: this post

I first had to buy a memory card for my N64 for Legend of the Mystical Ninja (totally worth it). I got one of those combo memory card/rumble pack things and it was a harsh lesson in 3rd-party accessories (gently caress you Mad Catz)

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