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i think cheating is one of those things it feels nice to be absolutist about when it's an abstract question designed to help you hate someone, but when it actually affects you it suddenly becomes a negotiable element. kind of like abortion but really, everyone i've known whose parents weren't faithful had a much more nuanced view on it than i grew up with, under parents who afaik never cheated. this kind of poo poo is just part of some people's lives, and people throughout history have adapted to much more unthinkable things than unfaithfulness proscribing mandatory maximalist responses to adultery is odd because people from every shade of the political spectrum seem eager to engage in it, unlike most of the moralist proscriptions we inherited from earlier eras what im really saying is, if bill clinton cheated on hillary clinton maybe hillary clinton's response to the situation is none of your business you victorian creep. i demand that you flagellate yourself edit: i guess this seems like an overly harsh response to this post from last page but honestly it just got me thinking and i said something unrelated. this post is not an unreasonable hypothesis. otoh she could've just decided her life was good enough, a divorce would be really unpleasant, and she'd deal with it - a decision many spouses with much less to lose in terms of politics have made. that would also be a human thing to do Skwirl posted:Like, I know Hillary Clinton is a Machiavallian genius and all, but does anyone else think there's a slight possibility that the reason she didn't divorce Bill during the Lewinsky scandal was because she actually loves him and took the "for better or for worse" part of her marriage vows seriously? or she might've made the decision to not pursue a divorce for machiavellian reasons. my contention is that judging her for her decision on how to deal with a problem in her marriage, no matter what solution one thinks she pursued, is really not rad (commenting/hypothesizing without judging is fine) oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Apr 2, 2016 |
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Skwirl posted:Like, I know Hillary Clinton is a Machiavallian genius and all, but does anyone else think there's a slight possibility that the reason she didn't divorce Bill during the Lewinsky scandal was because she actually loves him and took the "for better or for worse" part of her marriage vows seriously? I mean it's possible. I don't personally know either Bill or Hillary, though there is a picture of me shaking Bill's hand a la, Bill's Kennedy photo-op. But even if I did, no one would believe anything that didn't square up with their narrative. I will say this, her politician persona suggests that she stayed married to bill for political convenience. ate shit on live tv fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Apr 2, 2016 |
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stoutfish posted:electing previous dem presidents to the supreme court would result in a massive conservative up rise. teaparty 2 if you will  then we will vote in the shade
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Skwirl posted:Like, I know Hillary Clinton is a Machiavallian genius and all, but does anyone else think there's a slight possibility that the reason she didn't divorce Bill during the Lewinsky scandal was because she actually loves him and took the "for better or for worse" part of her marriage vows seriously? You can love someone and still maintain an open marriage or relationship.
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lmao if you think hillary clinton is capable of human emotions other than rage and disgust
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a woman whose father had cheated on her mother once mentioned to me, pro-hillaryly, that hillary's dad had cheated on her mom and at some point hillary had said 'there are worse things than cheating' (or something like that? i think this comes out of an anti-clinton biography actually*, but this lady respected hillary for it). this is the kind of perspective i'm talking about - people who don't treat cheating as some kind of forbidden fruit that needs to get turned into moralistic race-based pornography but as a fact of life - a perspective that seems to be ignored across the political spectrum when it's time to score some points, and a perspective that actually humanizes hillary in an interesting way *i could be wrong about this, wouldnt make any difference to the point oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Apr 2, 2016 |
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quote:forbidden fruit that needs to get turned into moralistic race-based pornography What.
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zeal posted:lmao if you think hillary clinton is capable of human emotions other than rage and disgust I'm sure contempt and smug are both emotions she is also capable of.
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oystertoadfish posted:a woman whose father had cheated on her mother once mentioned to me, pro-hillaryly, that hillary's dad had cheated on her mom and at some point hillary had said 'there are worse things than cheating' (or something like that? i think this comes out of an anti-clinton biography actually*, but this lady respected hillary for it). this is the kind of perspective i'm talking about - people who don't treat cheating as some kind of forbidden fruit that needs to get turned into moralistic race-based pornography but as a fact of life - a perspective that seems to be ignored across the political spectrum when it's time to score some points, and a perspective that actually humanizes hillary in an interesting way is that the card theyll read when trump goes after bill? sounds like a bad soap opera
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Hunt11 posted:I think the reasoning behind Trump being the greater threat is that he actually has a chance to win whilst Cruz in the GE would get slaughtered. I keep seeing this sentiment intermittently here and in the USPOL thread and I don't get it. Trump's numbers are historically terrible. He's a Republican frontrunner with a negative approval rating among white males. Women and minorities unanimously want to set him on fire. (Keep in mind that his singularly terrible polling with women came before he said that women should be shot for having abortions and then said they shouldn't and then lied that the question was edited or maybe just too confusing and then walked that back and then walked back the walkback)
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look, cheating and silencing the lady cheaters is a fact of life - presidential candidate hillary clinton
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*opening shot of John kasich walking into an ice cream parlor and ordering a small cup of vanilla cream* "Every year , John buys 4 pairs of jeans from the last open Sears in Akron"-Karen Kasich *george w bush is seen getting mic'd up by crew * "Yeah Johnny K , or J K, big John , he's a good governor . If Ohio happened in flint he would be right there with water for the kids" "If you leave kasich a voicemail he will call you back, but he will politely end the call if you're driving"-Rick perry , who then made a "bang bang" gesture with his hands and winked *shot of John kasich slowly jogging with local jogging club In canton, Ohio * "Would I vote for John kasich ? I mean , heck , probably ! But i have to see what the other guys are about too ."-John kasich
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Vox Nihili posted:What. its the c.uck word InsanityIsCrazy posted:is that the card theyll read when trump goes after bill? sounds like a bad soap opera probably not, my whole point was that everybody in the public discourse seems to want to treat cheating like some victorian poo poo where we all pretend this is an easy question with an easy answer by ignoring the lived experience of people who have adapted to the reality of infidelity oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Apr 2, 2016 |
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imagine hillary clinton, unverifying a victims twitter checkmark, forever
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zeal posted:lmao if you think hillary clinton is capable of human emotions other than rage and disgust Nah, she'll be legit smiley when Bernie is placing her name into nomination at the end of a long speech about all the things he learned from losing the primary.
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o yea and hillary might've threatened her husband's victims into staying silent, that wouldn't be defensible imho i think sanders will end up being hillary's like third most effective surrogate during the general election campaign but i am Cynical i guess
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oystertoadfish posted:o yea and hillary might've threatened her husband's victims into staying silent, that wouldn't be defensible imho lol it's basically this vs that one time when trump (allegedly) raped his ex-wife the primary was wwe the GE is a bad soap opera
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oystertoadfish posted:probably not, my whole point was that everybody in the public discourse seems to want to treat cheating like some victorian poo poo where we all pretend this is an easy question with an easy answer by ignoring the lived experience of people who have adapted to the reality of infidelity oystertoadfish posted:o yea and hillary might've threatened her husband's victims into staying silent, that wouldn't be defensible imho yeah one is more important than the other
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^^yeah. even if it isn't proven, the accusation is more important than that random anecdote i told that was illustrative of the way we treat adultery in 21st century politics. i don't know what your point is however even just taking things people admitted as truth, and i said this like 1000 pages ago, it'll be creepy voting to make bill clinton senior-level management, essentially, in an office building where he hosed a subordinate the last time he held a management position there but voting isn't supposed to make you feel good oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Apr 2, 2016 |
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itll be fun to see the contortions afflicted on modern voters based on sins of the past
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there's no such thing as a non-sinful vote i think the jehovah's witnesses get this
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there will be much self flagellation for a trump vote, i assure you
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the only pure vote is a vote for ben sasse
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Hey is trump ok or is America already great again? I need to settle a bet.
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both? neither? which would help you win. choose that one
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there is always a trump. there is always an amercia
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Typo posted:lol it's basically this vs that one time when trump (allegedly) raped his ex-wife i think most people are going to write both stories off because most people ignore sexual assault and rape whenever it's even slightly in their self-interest (as long as it happens to people they dont know), and partisan politics/trying to avoid paying any attention to partisan politics qualifies im Cynical dwi (deal with it) one way of dealing with it would be to tell me im wrong if i turn out to be wrong just sayin
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i think my favorite part of this is the turtle kid describing his stump as "his little speech"
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Typo posted:the primary was wwe the GE is a bad soap opera Why did you just repeat yourself?
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:i think my favorite part of this is the turtle kid describing his stump as "his little speech" Lol
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Betting market report Contested convention now has 2:1 odds in favor.  
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Immortan posted:
im glad im not in college right now because the whole trump thing is just a minefield of drama
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Stop it! I can only get so in!
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Vox Nihili posted:What. hes referring to the significant number of weirdos obsessed with the c word, and its racist and sexist connotations
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Please clap
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babypolis posted:hes referring to the significant number of weirdos obsessed with the c word, and its racist and sexist connotations gently caress you we are making a new swear word
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Baloogan posted:gently caress you we are making a new swear word it does sound good. it would be a good swear word if it wasnt first adopted by the worst people in the planet and turned into a vehicle for their incredibly lovely ideals and opinions
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babypolis posted:it does sound good. it would be a good swear word if it wasnt first adopted by the worst people in the planet and turned into a vehicle for their incredibly lovely ideals and opinions don't be such a loving cuckold hey look, it replaced the word "human being" there, isn't that great!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oGMV7H7z4I im gonna miss campaign obama a whole lot after hillary's 2020 re-election campaign
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