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Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

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tinaun
Jun 9, 2011

                  tell me...

QuoProQuid posted:

Election of 1864, thankfully, has only two tickets;

what about e cheeseborough

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
I'll vote for whichever option results in the South seceding again and having to have yet another Civil War. (#3)

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/campaign-trail/

The Campaign Trail's been updated with 1860, 1916, 1976, and 2016 (!?) if anyone wants to try their hand.

SoggyBobcat
Oct 2, 2013

Nckdictator posted:

https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/campaign-trail/

The Campaign Trail's been updated with 1860, 1916, 1976, and 2016 (!?) if anyone wants to try their hand.
Did the 2016 campaign as Clinton/Castro.

Two terror attacks in Europe and a poor debate performance later, Trump is in the White House. Hell on Earth forever.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART
I did 2016 as Clinton/Brown and got 318 electoral votes. Everything seemed to fall my way and I ended up winning in a landslide with 55% of the popular vote and all the swing states. Interestingly enough, I was within 300 votes of winning Utah even.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Nckdictator posted:

https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/campaign-trail/

The Campaign Trail's been updated with 1860, 1916, 1976, and 2016 (!?) if anyone wants to try their hand.

1976 is bullshit

The Battle Axe
Mar 30, 2011


Badger of Basra posted:

1976 is bullshit

Extremely bullshit. The entire map is blue and then that Playboy interview happens and everyone suddenly loves Ford.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Nckdictator posted:

https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/campaign-trail/

The Campaign Trail's been updated with 1860, 1916, 1976, and 2016 (!?) if anyone wants to try their hand.

Played a Trump that once nominated basically said "Screw the conservative establishment, screw the democratic establishment, I want to help the little people and keep them safe from the dangers abroad and our own corrupt politicians" and turned basically the entire country red except California and New England. Landslide victory.

Mind you, the two terrorist attacks in Europe seemed to help a lot.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

Badger of Basra posted:

1976 is bullshit

'Eh, historically some claim if Ford had one more week to campaign he likely could've won the election. One problem was dumping Rocky as Veep made Ford look weak and was a cowardly choice, but if he hadn't done that the Reaganites would've possibly pushed Ford out of the ticket. (gently caress Reagan)

Add that to the fact that many northern Democrats were warry of Carter's Christianity and alleged "Hollier-then-thou" attitude and it's easy to flip.

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fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

Nckdictator posted:

https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/campaign-trail/

The Campaign Trail's been updated with 1860, 1916, 1976, and 2016 (!?) if anyone wants to try their hand.

By my hand, Donald Trump and Ben Carson have become the masters of America. Chaos reigns, but you can store your emergency rations in the new gold-filigreed FEMA trailer pyramids.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART
poo poo, I just played as Wilson in 1916 and lost the election despite winning the popular vote. I only lost by 132 votes in Washington, and that would have been enough to swing the election in my favor.

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
I caused a stalemate in 1860 so Lincoln didn't win. And neither did I but that's beyond the point.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Man I'd really like to try that game, but when I hit the button to begin nothing happens. IDK if its a problem with my browser or what.

e: It was a problem with my VPN.

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Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
My Wilson got his rear end kicked.

Jai Guru Dave
Jan 3, 2008
Nothing's gonna change my world

Mantis42 posted:

Man I'd really like to try that game, but when I hit the button to begin nothing happens. IDK if its a problem with my browser or what.

e: It was a problem with my VPN.
Could you please elaborate? I'm having the same problem as you did, but I only have Gerald Ford's IQ.

Oh, and put me down for (3) take as much time as needed. I want McClelland's defeat to be slow, long, drawn-out and painful. (....we're not going to ironically vote him in, are we?)

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Jai Guru Dave posted:

Could you please elaborate? I'm having the same problem as you did, but I only have Gerald Ford's IQ.

Oh, and put me down for (3) take as much time as needed. I want McClelland's defeat to be slow, long, drawn-out and painful. (....we're not going to ironically vote him in, are we?)

The dude wanted to negotiate an armistice with the South and split up the Union permanently so probably not.

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011

Alter Ego posted:

The dude wanted to negotiate an armistice with the South and split up the Union permanently so probably not.

If the Union splits permanently, how can we cause a Civil War every other Election?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




karmicknight posted:

If the Union splits permanently, how can we cause a Civil War every other Election?
Civil wars can happen until everyone is a sovereign citizen, duh.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

kalstrams posted:

Civil wars can happen until everyone is a sovereign citizen, duh.

It worked in the middle east!

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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In this timeline, the word "Americanize" is used to describe the process of fragmentation of a state into smaller, deeply hostile states. Also, the Balkans are a unified and peaceful place.

I got my laptop fixed so elections will reconvene tomorrow. Prepare for yet another civil war.

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fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
I think in this timeline I'd want to be living in Aaron Burr's western empire

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Jai Guru Dave posted:

Could you please elaborate? I'm having the same problem as you did, but I only have Gerald Ford's IQ.

Unless you also live in China and use a VPN to get around the firewall, I don't think my experience can help you. The button didn't do anything until I signed into the Facebook, which is verboten here, so try that?

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

QuoProQuid posted:

In this timeline, the word "Americanize" is used to describe the process of fragmentation of a state into smaller, deeply hostile states. Also, the Balkans are a unified and peaceful place.

I got my laptop fixed so elections will reconvene tomorrow. Prepare for yet another civil war.

Let freedom scream!

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Thank you for voting. In the most lopsided victory yet, Abraham Lincoln has been elected President of the United States, triggering yet another civil war. With him Lincoln brings Hannibal Hamlin, whose passionate cries for abolitionism have served as a rallying cry for the nation.

Let us hope that this pair can bring the secessionists back into the fold.

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Abraham Lincoln / Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) - 105 votes (92.9%)
John Bell / Edward Everett (Constitutional Union) - 5 votes (4.4%)
Stephen Douglas / Herschel V.Johnson (Democratic) - 2 votes (1.8%)
John C. Breckenridge / Joseph Lane (Southern Democratic) - 1 vote (0.9%)

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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ELECTION OF 1864:

:siren: Click here to vote in the Election of 1864! :siren:



Background:

As early as October 1860, both North and South realized that Lincoln’s victory was almost inevitable. Within the Democratic Party, Douglas virtually suspended his campaign and took to meeting with as many Southern politicians as possible in a desperate attempt to avert secession. Meanwhile, former Whigs and moderate Southerners called upon President Buchanan to do something, anything, to cool tensions. Surely, the sitting President of the United States, the man who had conceded so much in search of union, could bring the South to heel.

In late 1864, Buchanan answered those calls by issuing a brief address that denied the legal right of states to secede, but also held that the Union could not legally prevent the South from leaving. He then lambasted Lincoln as a radical, rejected all proposals to strengthen the military, and refused to take further action to avert secession. Several members of Buchanan’s administration resigned in disgust.

South Carolina seceded in December, followed by Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Louisiana, and Texas. The recently departed states agreed to form a new government, one that would uphold and protect slaveholding as a constitutional right and protect the region from Northern imperialism: the Confederate States of America. By February 1861, the South had succeeded in seizing most federal forts and properties. A quarter of the Army was forced into surrender without Buchanan so much as issuing a statement in response. Half of Congress resigned from their posts, leaving a small lame-duck rump behind. Unionists attempted one last peace conference which quickly failed due to a lack of support from both sides.

Thus, when Abraham Lincoln was sworn into office on 4 March, 1861, it marked a sudden and abrupt shift in policy. Standing before a large crowd, Lincoln announced that he would not permit the South to leave. No more territory would be lost to the Confederacy. The remaining Union-controlled forts in the South would be supplied and maintained. If the South wanted their slaveocracy, it would need to fight for it. In April, Southern forces fired upon Fort Sumter and the war was on.

Over the next four years, the United States would endure the bloodiest war in its history. More than 237 major battles would be fought, with many more low-intensity skirmishes among soldiers and civilians alike. The United States Army would swell from 16,000 men to over 600,000. The war would strain the limits of the United States Constitution, with martial law being enacted across border states and habeas corpus being unilaterally suspended by the President. Cities would become battlegrounds between Unionists and draft dodgers, many of whom were Irish immigrants forcibly enlisted by Democrats to shore up their popular support.

Despite this general chaos, Lincoln agreed early in the fighting to allow elections to proceed on schedule and without interference. Unfortunately, his affinity for democracy has earned him no allies across the country. Though twin victories at Vicksburg and Gettysburg remain fresh in the public’s consciousness, Lincoln has had to fend off attacks both within and outside his party for a chance at victory in the 1864 Election.

As the Civil War has progressed, Lincoln has increasingly struggled to keep the support of radical abolitionists who have grown disappointed at Lincoln’s pragmatic “Union-first” approach to the Civil War. John C. Frémont, who had his attempted emancipation of slaves rescinded by Lincoln in 1861, has publicly opposed Lincoln for refusing to enact immediate prohibitions against slavery. Frémont has been endorsed publicly by Frederick Douglas and suffragist Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who believe Lincoln to be far too moderate and the Emancipation Proclamation to be too little, too late. Samuel Chase, Lincoln’s own Treasury Secretary, has been running a shadow primary campaign against Lincoln since 1863 under the belief that Lincoln is too moderate, too inexperienced, and too unelectable.

Within the Democratic Party, Lincoln has had to deal with serious allegations about his competency. Preying upon public hatred of the military draft and Lincoln’s questionable attachment to civil liberties, the Democrats have accused Lincoln of perpetuating an unjust war out of sadism and personal pride. Playing on racial enmity and the overreaching emancipation proclamation, the Democrats have called for settlement with the Confederacy on mutually agreed upon terms. They hope they can play on the North’s war exhaustion to gain victory and reach a reasonable settlement with their brothers in the South.

Caught in the middle of these two groups, Lincoln has been called by his opponents a Filthy Story-Teller, Despot, Liar, Thief, Braggart, Buffoon, Usurper, Fiend, and Butcher. He fears that he will lose re-election and has taken extreme measures in an attempt to mitigate the possibility.

Though Frémont has since suspended his candidacy, horrified by the Democratic platform of a negotiated settlement, Lincoln has announced his support of a constitutional amendment to ban slavery and insisted upon the unconditional surrender of the South to undermine any would-be splitters within the Republican Party. He has further exploited his ties with the state-run parties across the North to force Chase into withdrawing. To counteract the Democrats, Lincoln has established the “National Union Party,” a temporary alliance of Republicans and Pro-War Democrats committed to the preservation of the Union. With Andrew Johnson, a prominent Democrat, at his side, Lincoln hopes he can attract Unionists of all colours to support his election.

The future of the Union may depend on it.


CANDIDATES:

National Union Party Nominees:


Presidential Nominee: Abraham Lincoln
  • Party Affiliation: Republican Party
  • Home State: Illinois
  • Notable Positions: President of the United States of America, United States Representative from Illinois, Member of the Illinois House of Representatives
  • Biography: Born in a log cabin in Kentucky in 1809, Lincoln grew up along the Indiana and Kentucky frontier where he helped his father tend to the family farm. Dirt-poor and largely self-educated, young Lincoln developed a strong sense of justice after seeing his father struggle to achieve security through the financial court system or compete with the large, wealthy slaveowners who controlled the state. Self-dependent, Lincoln volunteered for the Illinois militia, taught himself law, and eventually attained several political positions in his hometown. He distinguished himself in the Illinois Legislature as a Whig politician, who helped campaign for Scott in 1852, but left the party shortly before its disintegration to join the newly-formed Republican Party. A spectacular orator and fiercely opposed to slavery, Lincoln was chosen as the Republican Party’s standardbearer against the Democratic Party and their powerful nominee, Stephen Douglas. Recently, Lincoln has had to fend off attacks within his own party to secure renomination.
  • Platform: Lincoln’s moderate reputation and “slang-whanging stump speaker” country style has taken a backseat in this election to warnings about separatism and disunion. Warning the electorate not to “swap horses in the middle of the stream,” the Republicans have equated opposition to Lincoln and the Republicans with disloyalty to the Union and surrender to slave-owning elites. Soldiers have been brought back from the field to show popular support for the war in the military despite high casualties. Pamphlets have been distributed alleging of a secret conspiracy between the Democrats and the Confederates, both of whom hope to carve up the Union to progress some nefarious plot. Under Lincoln, the party promises, the United States will never seek a negotiated settlement. It will prosecute the war until it achieves an unconditional surrender and he will not reintegrate the South until he receives loyalty pledges from the rebellion’s organizers. Lincoln will further do all he can to ensure the abolition of slavery (a likely olive branch to Fremont) by passing an amendment to the Constitution that outlaws the practice.

    In other affairs, Lincoln remains a pragmaticist. He supports the Homestead Act under the assumption that it will help the North and South. He also supports moderate tariffs and internal improvements. Given that the survival of the Union is at stake, Lincoln has not emphasized these views.


Vice Presidential Nominee: Andrew Johnson
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic Party
  • Home State: Tennessee
  • Notable Positions: Military Governor of Tennessee, Governor of Tennessee, United States Senator from Tennessee, United States Representative from Tennessee, Member of the Tennessee House of Representatives
  • Biography: With the possible exception of Andrew Jackson, no man like Andrew Johnson has ever been nominated by a major party for election. Born in a log cabin to impoverished, nearly illiterate parents, Johnson spent his early childhood apprenticed under a cruel local tailor, from whom he fled when he had the first opportunity. Fleeing from the law, who had put a reward on Johnson’s head, Johnson and his family moved to Greenville, Tennessee, where Andrew set up a shop as a tailor and met his future wife, Eliza McCardle. Though interested in politics, Johnson’s near illiteracy prevented him from joining the fray until he received private tutoring from his wife. By 1834, Johnson had served as a town alderman and mayor and had made a name for himself within the South as a Jacksonian Democrat. Viewed as a rising political star despite his humble beginnings, Johnson was served to a term in the House of Representatives and was appointed to the United States Senate. In 1865, he became the only Southern senator to retain his seat and reject calls for secession. For this decision, Johnson has been lauded across the Union.
  • Platform: Afraid that he might lose re-election, Lincoln made a radical decision when he decided to put Andrew Johnson on his ticket. A War Democrat, Johnson has earned the praise of Republicans and Unionist Democrats alike for having stood loyal while “in the very furnace of the rebellion.” A yeoman Democrat, who has relied on small farmers and artisans throughout his political career, Johnson is known for his hatred of the planter aristocracy. He has personally sworn to do everything in his power to bring the would-be separatists back into the fold. However, many worry about Johnson’s views should the war come to an end or, God forbid, Lincoln be killed. Johnson has virtually no executive or administrative experience and no extraordinary talents of which to speak. He is suspected to be illiterate and, though he opposes the South for their separatism, many suspect that he is not at all committed to abolition and will seek the South’s immediate reintegration into the Union the moment the war ends. He is, afterall, a native son of Tennessee, and it would not do to have his brothers denied suffrage until they sign loyalty pledges while the blacks gain a political foothold. Johnson is believed to hold the same views on slavery as his secessionist cousins and would only support it as a measure to spite the secessionists. As Military Governor of Tennessee, Johnson convinced Lincoln to exempt Tennessee from the Emancipation Proclamation.

Democratic Party Nominees:


Presidential Nominee: George B. McClellan
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic Party
  • Home State: New Jersey
  • Notable Positions: Major-General in the Union Army
  • Biography: George B. McClellan is a skillful Union general, who has earned the unfortunate nickname “Little Mac” for repeatedly failing to destroy Confederate forces. Graduating second in his class from West Point, McClellan served in the Mexican American War and is an expert in military engineering, railroads, and “big war science.” For these skills, McClellan became an immediate icon in the leadership-starved Northern army, pursued by the Governors of Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York to command their militias. Though he disagreed with Lincoln politically, McClellan joined the federal government’s forces, saving western Virginia from Confederate takeover. After Union defeat at Bull Run, McClellan was promoted and formed the Army of the Potomac. Though much beloved, McClellan’s popularity plummeted when he refused to take the offensive against the enemy and had to be directly ordered by the President to advance into Confederate territory. As the war went on, McClellan’s reputation for hesitancy only grew. He withdrew when he could have taken Richmond. He retreated when he heard that General Robert E. Lee was commanding the Confederate Army in the Seven Days’ Battle and, most egregiously, he let Southern forces get away at the Battle of Antietam when they could have been destroyed. Exasperated, President Lincoln relieved him of his command.
  • Platform: McClellan’s candidacy has been rocked by division within the Democratic Party and general confusion about the future of the Union. Whereas the Democratic Party itself has endorsed peace talks and has called for an end to the war, McClellan has publicly declared that he supports the continuation of the war and is only running to take command from the martially incompetent Lincoln. For him, Lincoln is a butcher who has unjustly put men into harm’s way. Lincoln has no military experience and, thus, is unable to ensure victory against the secessionist, who McClellan also despises. His election, he claims, would not be an end to the war but a recalibration in strategy focused on minimizing losses and avoiding expensive boondoggles like the Emancipation Proclamation, which will make eventual reintegration painful. Unfortunately, Little Mac has been forced to fight against his own newspapers, which have pushed for a negotiated settlement, and his running mate, who believes that hostilities between the two feuding parties should cease. Despite these disagreements, McClellan is in agreement with his party on the slavery issue. He does not believe the federal government has the authority to end slavery and would seek a reasonable compromise on the issue between North and South, assuming the South agreed to abandon its independence. He has no positions on any other issues.


Vice Presidential Nominee: George H. Pendleton
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic Party
  • Home State: Ohio
  • Notable Positions: United States Representative from Ohio, Member of the Ohio Senate
  • Biography: Known as “Gentleman George,” Pendleton is one of the country’s leading Peace Democrats. Admitted to the bar in 1847, Pendleton owns a successful law firm in Cincinnati Ohio. Through his various cases, Pendleton worked his way into the political elite and, in 1853, was elected to the Ohio State Senate before pursuing a career in federal government. Pendleton was forced to spend his inaugural term watching the nation collapse around him. Though he supported early peace talks between North and South, the continued fighting has taken its toll on Pendleton. He has pushed against radical proposals by the Republicans in the majority and has remained one of Lincoln’s few critics still left in Congress. His grandfather was present at the Hamilton-Burr Duel.
  • Platform: George H. Pendleton believes that the war with the South is impossible to win, that the South is more committed to victory than the North will ever be, and that the two sides are at greater risk of destroying themselves than they are of one another. As such, Pendleton pushed the Democratic Party to adopt a peace platform in 1864. He hopes to achieve an immediate cessation of hostilities between the two sides and some negotiated settlement in which the threat posed by the South can be mitigated. For these views, Pendleton has come into conflict with his running mate, McClellan, who does not believe the war should end. It is unknown how these two men would handle their differences if elected. Their only source of agreement are their views on Lincoln. Both men are worried about the sacrifices Lincoln is willing to make in order to achieve victory and has pointed to the suspension of civil liberties as well as the Emancipation Proclamation as dangerous threats. On all other affairs, Pendleton is a Jacksonian Democrat.

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QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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tinaun posted:

what about e cheeseborough

1. only 543 votes were cast for him out of 4,031,887
2. he was an elector on the republican slate and probably would have cast his ballot for lincoln

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

McClellan is a loser who was fired for being too low energy to fight the South. Sad! I prefer generals who win.

Hurt Whitey Maybe
Jun 26, 2008

I mean maybe not. Or maybe. Definitely don't kill anyone.
Finally a chance to correct the great mistake of 1860, we cannot abide by another four years of Lincoln's illegal war dictatorship.

If the tyrant is reelected, I am sure Lincoln will receive that which comes thus always to tyrants.

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015
I will continue to vote Lincoln for the remainder of his hopefully long and healthy life.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Ibogaine posted:

I will continue to vote Lincoln for the remainder of his hopefully long and healthy life.

Three Terms for Lincoln!!!

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

Thump! posted:

Three Terms for Lincoln!!!

Yupp, good ole "Three Terms Abie"- that's what he will be called!

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?
We must sacrifice Lincoln upon the altar of abolition. What is more powerful than a martyr, after all? With his blood we will achieve freedom!

axeil
Feb 14, 2006
Lincoln or bust! We will have no appeasers in our new glorious slave free Republic!

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

There is no choice which would begin a civil war. Therefore we have no choice but to back the peace candidate in order to flare this thing up again in four years.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Mantis42 posted:

McClellan is a loser who was fired for being too low energy to fight the South. Sad! I prefer generals who win.

This is a good post

Also, what a boring election

Seriously though, it's like sweeps week here at the American Presidency. Also Hannibal Hamlin being replaced by Johnson? The only way that's justifiable is if Hamlin got his own series. Maybe some sort of A-team set in the aftermath of the civil war

GSD
May 10, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
gently caress andrew johnson though

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

GSD posted:

gently caress andrew johnson though

yeah veep slot is worrying, what if something happens to my first choice during his term?

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

Aliquid posted:

yeah veep slot is worrying, what if something happens to my first choice during his term?

Well, the war is nearly at its end, and even then all assassination attempts failed. He recovered well from a disease in his first term, so it looks like he adapted to the unhealthy swampy air of Washington.

Relax, there is no way Johnson would come close to power. Just like Hamlin, he will be purely decorative and then disappear in obscurity.

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just rust
Oct 23, 2012

I quite like Chief Commander Lincoln's slaver slaying junta. May it endure until the last southern plantation is nothing more than collection of ash and cinders.

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