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CommieGIR posted:...and that's why you advocate sinking boats of refugees. Got it. When did he do that?
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CommieGIR posted:...and that's why you advocate sinking boats of refugees. Got it. I had a tear in my eyes when Antony valiantly sacrificed (generally, self-sacrifice get's me everytime, I literally cry everytime I watch United 93) himself in Ant-Man, so I might be screwed up in some ways but sadly I'm no psychopath. Ligur posted:When did he do that? I believe the post is linked in my rap sheet.
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GaussianCopula posted:
Ok I found it. But how did you advocate that instead of saying it's a way?
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oh look a context vs. intent post, i must've taken a wrong turn and ended up in CineD. In other news, student protestors in France clashed with the police. The students were protesting proposed labour reforms http://www.euronews.com/2016/03/31/france-clashes-as-students-march-against-labour-reforms/ http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35936269 Since this newest piece of legislation is a wooping 3500 pages, and not even the prime minister itself knows whats in it , here is a niceish rundown: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35803001 Its good to see that the newest wave of terror hasn't affect our politicians ability to be loving horrible. Antifa Poltergeist fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Mar 31, 2016 |
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ChainsawCharlie posted:Its good to see that the newest wave of terror hasn't affect our politicians ability to be loving horrible.
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ChainsawCharlie posted:oh look a context vs. intent post, i must've taken a wrong turn and ended up in CineD. Maybe you could just copy the German labour law instead, as yours seems to be hosed up beyond repair.
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You can be a despotic dictator while still being way below the treshold for behaviour that would make your citizens eglible for asylum in the EU, so it's not that surprising of an opinion. Remember that most EU countries traditionally have a very high tolerance of what is bad-but-not-asylum-causing behaviour of governments.
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"Welp, guess we have to send them back to a despotic dictator. Sorry guys"
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CrazyLoon posted:To be sure, the impasse is caused by one side being utterly dense and incapable of seeing any solution, other than fascist types. But it's also hilarious how the other side of that spectrum keeps descending to ad hominem at the drop of a hat (like you did with this post), which we all know is a BRILLIANT debate tactic and totally could never contribute to making GBS threads up a thread. That's why Gaussian will always be a loving psychopath fascist pig and you a deranged bleeding-heart maniac. ...care for a game of chess?
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The Real Foogla posted:...care for a game of chess? I actually suck at chess. But I'm up for Go anytime.
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GaussianCopula posted:Maybe you could just copy the German labour law instead, as yours seems to be hosed up beyond repair. French and German labour laws really are not that different in substance, though German law allows for longer use of temporary contracts. However, there's really is no strong evidence for the idea that the problem of unemployment can be fixed by reforming your labour laws. Countries are as likely to see higher unemployment after a flexibilization of labour laws (because previously protected workers can now be laid off) as they are to see raises in employment. The only difference labour market rigidity seems to make in who becomes/stays unemployed: higher rigidity appears to be correlated with higher youth unemployment. However, by OECD rankings Germany has a higher degree of rigidity than France, and lower youth unemployment, so even there the difference may be explained by the state of the economy, the effectiveness of the education system, or what level of minimum wages you have for youth. In short, putting the German labour code under the copy machine would solve precisely nothing.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:French and German labour laws really are not that different in substance, though German law allows for longer use of temporary contracts. However, there's really is no strong evidence for the idea that the problem of unemployment can be fixed by reforming your labour laws. Countries are as likely to see higher unemployment after a flexibilization of labour laws (because previously protected workers can now be laid off) as they are to see raises in employment. I'm not sure that the OECD ranking is really the best method to compare Germany to France. Looking at the reports for Germany http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/Germany.pdf and France http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/France.pdf you can see that a lot of differences aren't even influencing the overall score. Have a look at item 5. France  Germany  Both got scored with 4 points (on a scale of 0-6), even though Germany is clearly more liberal, because 18% (that's the share of jobs in Germany in businesses with 1-9 employees) are generally exempt from most rules. I'm not going to go through every item, but I think it's pretty clear that this metric is bullshit for the current discussion.
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GaussianCopula posted:Both got scored with 4 points (on a scale of 0-6), even though Germany is clearly more liberal, because 18% (that's the share of jobs in Germany in businesses with 1-9 employees) are generally exempt from most rules. Without showing a side-by-side comparison of the special protections vs. the regular employment protection legislation, you cannot in good faith claim it's more liberal. The metric may be bullshit, but your post doesn't show that.
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GaussianCopula posted:I'm not sure that the OECD ranking is really the best method to compare Germany to France. Looking at the reports for Germany http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/Germany.pdf and France http://www.oecd.org/els/emp/France.pdf you can see that a lot of differences aren't even influencing the overall score. Have a look at item 5. The metric isn't the greatest, but given the complexity of labour market legislation in general it isn't a bad place place to start. The interesting thing though is that South European countries (Spain in particular) now have far looser regulation for the flexible side of the labour market than Germany does, and it hasn't helped them at all. Anyway, my post was really based on the academic literature I've read on labour market regulations and less on the OECD's metric. Also, the point remains that it is really rather difficult to transfer public policies and regulations from one country to another.
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Schmähkritik Sackdoof, feige und verklemmt, ist Erdogan der Präsident. Sein Gelöt stinkt schlimm nach Döner, selbst ein Schweinepfurz riecht schöner. Er ist der Mann der Mädchen schlägt, und dabei Gummimasken trägt. Am liebsten mag er Ziegen ficken, und Minderheiten unterdrücken, Kurden treten, Christen hauen, und dabei Kinderpornos schauen. Und selbst Abends heißt's statt schlafen, Fellatio mit hundert Schafen. Ja, Erdogan ist voll und ganz, ein Präsident mit kleinem Schwanz. Jeden Türken hört man flöten, die dumme Sau hat Schrumpelklöten, Von Ankara bis Istanbul, weiß jeder, dieser Mann ist schwul. Pervers, verlaust und zoophil, Recep Fritzl Priklopil. Sein Kopf so leer wie seine Eier, der Star auf jeder Gangbang-Feier. Bis der Schwanz beim Pinkeln brennt, das ist Recep Erdogan, der türkische Präsident.
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GaussianCopula posted:on the topic of Erdogan Did a bodyguard really try to flip the bird at anti-Erdogan protestors? Wow.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:French and German labour laws really are not that different in substance, though German law allows for longer use of temporary contracts. However, there's really is no strong evidence for the idea that the problem of unemployment can be fixed by reforming your labour laws. Countries are as likely to see higher unemployment after a flexibilization of labour laws (because previously protected workers can now be laid off) as they are to see raises in employment.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:French and German labour laws really are not that different in substance, though German law allows for longer use of temporary contracts. However, there's really is no strong evidence for the idea that the problem of unemployment can be fixed by reforming your labour laws. Countries are as likely to see higher unemployment after a flexibilization of labour laws (because previously protected workers can now be laid off) as they are to see raises in employment. While it's true you'll see higher or equal unemployment in the short-term, it helps out from the point of view that the least competent people will probably get laid off, and replaced by more competent people. In terms of crafting a stable society, this is still not great, but I think it's an improvement. The fact that some people are just marginal workers who will never amount to much under a meritocratic system is the reason why strong social safety nets and a GMI are increasingly important (since even useless people have human rights) -- but that doesn't mean we should hamper companies' ability to rid themselves of those marginal employees.
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Not So Fast posted:Did a bodyguard really try to flip the bird at anti-Erdogan protestors? Wow. Apparently the bodyguards got pretty rowdy with the protesters and the press and kept having to get stopped by DC police, Secret Service dudes, and hotel security. They also had mobile propaganda vans roving DC streets with Orwellian slogans written on them. Not really making the best impression, really.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:Apparently the bodyguards got pretty rowdy with the protesters and the press and kept having to get stopped by DC police, Secret Service dudes, and hotel security. Lèse majesté. Be ashamed.
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It looks like there will be no silly season this summer, not only are we going to get the result of the Brexit referendum but it looks like we are going to see a replay of last years Greek Tragedy. As a little appetizer Wikileaks released the transcript of an internal IMF discussion https://wikileaks.org/imf-internal-20160319/transcript/page-6.html which basically only confirms what we already knew (Greece is unable to implement even the most rudamentary reforms, the lenders don't want to talk about debt restructurings, the IMF wants a program that is not built on lies) but now Marcus Walker has an interesting theory, that would be further proof of the ineptitude of the Greek government https://twitter.com/MMQWalker/status/716205853527904256
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Pizdec posted:Can you provide a source? Sure! Unfortunately this generally requires academic access. A recent overview of the literature on employment protection legislation (EPL) can be found in: Heyes, J. and P. Lewis (2015). "Relied upon for the heavy lifting: can employment protection legislation reforms lead the EU out of the jobs crisis?" Industrial Relations Journal 46(2): 81-99. (the answer, following Betteridge's law of headlines, is no) The literature goes back a long time, but the conclusion by and large is that many other things than labour market structures play a role in unemployment, as argued in Nickell, Stephen (1997). Unemployment and Labor Market Rigidities: Europe versus North America. Journal of Economic Perspectives 11, 3: 55-74. (you can also find this in the Le Monde article I linked to earlier, which shows a very diffuse set of correlations between labour market reforms and unemployment in EU countries. Proper fiscal stimulus may have effects on employment that are at least as strong as any labour market reform). A generally accepted idea is that strong EPL dampens increases in unemployment during recessions, but recovery comes slower afterward, leading to a prolongation of higher unemployment. This is most famously based on: Blanchard, Olivier, and Justin Wolfers (2000),The Roles of Shocks and Institutions in the Rise of European Unemployment: The Aggregate Evidence, Economic Journal. Unfortunately, while most of the EU crisis states are now technically out of recession, their economies remain fundamentally depressed in many ways, and in the GIPS countries there is already an extremely flexible section of the labour market which has so far not contributed to major increases in employment. Thus weakening EPL is as likely to worsen the problems as it is to contribute to recovery of employment. Strong EPL has often been suggested to be at the root of high youth unemployment in Southern Europe, see e.g. de Lange, M., Gesthuizen, M., & Wolbers, M. H. (2014). Youth labour market integration across europe: The impact of cyclical, structural, and institutional characteristics. European Societies, 16(2), 194-212. But even here people have made a good case that the impact of EPL is not necessarily to blame, see Noelke, Clemens (2011). "The consequences of employment protection legislation for the youth labour market." Arbeitspapiere - Mannheimer Zentrum für Europäische Sozialforschung 144. (I think this one is freely accessible). All of this is not to say that the current states of employment legislation or the labour market structures in many countries are not problematic, but reforms are not a panacea that will fix all of the the unemployment problems. Some further sources: Skedinger, Per (2010). Employment protection legislation: Evolution, effects, winners and losers. Edward Elgar Publishing. Viebrock, E. and J. Clasen (2009). "Flexicurity and welfare reform: a review." Socio-Economic Review 7(2): 305-331.
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GaussianCopula posted:It looks like there will be no silly season this summer, not only are we going to get the result of the Brexit referendum but it looks like we are going to see a replay of last years Greek Tragedy. I...what? From my understanding that leak shows that the IMF wants tougher measures (3,5% instead of 1,5%) against both the wishes of the EU and Greece. They also want a new haircut, against the wishes of the EU and especially merkel, that the greeks favour . And that the EU as been dragging their feet over this whole mess. How is that "unable to implement measures"? From that leak , which by all accounts seems to have come from the IMF itself to push the issue, they want to push the EU+creditors to accept another haircut, the countermeasure to that being tougher targets on budget surplus. They also state that they presented at first the minimal set of measures that they would accept at the negotiating table, but the greeks understood that as the basis to start the negotiations , which is not an entirely unreasonable position.I,.e. they hosed up and clearly have never read the "Art of Deal".
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ChainsawCharlie posted:They also state that they presented at first the minimal set of measures that they would accept at the negotiating table, but the greeks understood that as the basis to start the negotiations , which is not an entirely unreasonable position.I,.e. they hosed up and clearly have never read the "Art of Deal".
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ChainsawCharlie posted:I...what? From my understanding that leak shows that the IMF wants tougher measures (3,5% instead of 1,5%) against both the wishes of the EU and Greece. They also want a new haircut, against the wishes of the EU and especially merkel, that the greeks favour . And that the EU as been dragging their feet over this whole mess. Well, your understanding is not completely wrong, but you are missing some important details. In the current negotiations you have basically 4 parties, that have the following views on the problem: Greece/SYRIZA/Tsipras: -Please don't let us go broke -As little structural and fiscal reforms as possible -Using creative accounting is a Greek speciality -Debt restructuring would be nice European Comisssion: -Greece needs to stay in the Eurozone, no matter how -Creative accounting is fine, but likes to call it political accounting -Everyone please be friends IMF: -The numbers should actually add up in reality not just in fantasy -Greece sucks at reforming and we don't trust them to do anything -We don't care whether Greece spends less or the member states cut the debt, as long as the sum of these measures is enough Germany (and other Eastern/Northern European member states): -We don't trust the EC to do the accounting and would like the IMF to do it, but it would be nice if they could be a bit more optimistic on everything -Only very limited debt restructuring This leads to the current situation where the IMF says the measures that are agreed upon will only lead to a surplus somewhere between 1.5% and 2.5% and the Eurozone has to make up for the difference through debt restructuring, because they have zero confidence that Greece would be able/willing to implement more measures. That doesn't mean that they think more measures would be damaging to the Greek state, they just want to math to make sense in the debt sustainability analysis. As for their "bad negotiation skills", well they were forced to negotiate twice, first with the EC, who toke a very Greek friendly stance, and now again with Greece because the EC has not kept their promise to not compromise further and opened negotiations with Greece on this compromise. They are now stuck in negotiations on the current measures (that were supposed to be implemented in the fall), which is the baseline that is needed in the opinion of the IMF to even reach the surplus target between 1.5% and 2.5%. As for the idea that the IMF has leaked this memo, it's very interesting who the Greeks and especially Tsipras are attacking over the issue, the IMF, who in your interpretation of the issue, should be his best friend in the current negotiations as they are pressuring the Eurozone to accept a larger debt restructuring. But that's no longer Tsipras goal, because it would mean he had to implement all the measures currently on the table, which would probably trigger new elections given his slim majority, in which he would be soundly defeated as ND is up 8% in the latest polls. He is now following the same routine all Greek governments before him have, which is to reform just enough to keep the money flowing from the Eurozone to stay in power as long as possible. The IMF is the only player that really wants a solution to the problem and is now saying "either we solve this or we are going to take our ball and go home". One can only hope that Poul Thomsen and Delia Velculescu (who is kinda hot) win this one, otherwise this mess is never going to get solved.
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This is great, saving your post for the future.  It's good to have these kinds of posts when we have this on the other side of the spectrum: GaussianCopula posted:Greece/SYRIZA/Tsipras:
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Pizdec posted:This is great, saving your post for the future. Excuse me? I'm accurately describing the Greek position in the conflict. They are fine with relatively high nominal goals as long as the Troika agrees that those high fiscal goals will be reached through the magic of some imaginary positive shock that comes from concluding the first review and not from actually doing a lot of structural or fiscal reforms. The reason why they follow this approach, which is not going to solve the actual problem, is that Tsipras doesn't want Greece to go broke under his rule.
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https://charliehebdo.fr/en/edito/how-did-we-end-up-here/ Surprise surprise, turns out Charlie Hebdo actually is islamophobic
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Chomskyan posted:https://charliehebdo.fr/en/edito/how-did-we-end-up-here/ They are defending secularism and we should all stand side by side with them in this conflict. #jesuischarly
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Chomskyan posted:https://charliehebdo.fr/en/edito/how-did-we-end-up-here/
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Chomskyan posted:https://charliehebdo.fr/en/edito/how-did-we-end-up-here/ CH has always been anti-religion, it's not particularly limited to anti-Islam. Granted, it is inaccurate to blame the terrorist attacks on the religion itself for being anything more than a context in which things happen, but I feel that singling them out as "Islamophobic" is also inaccurate. GaussianCopula posted:They are defending secularism and we should all stand side by side with them in this conflict. So inspired by them you can't even spell their name right?
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The Great Wise Man has spoken on the recent IMF leak http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/op-ed-yanis-varoufakis-imf-eu-quarrel-over-greece-s-debt-a-1085203.html He reminds us that he could have been the savior of Greece if Tsipras would have let him quote:While pondering these questions, I cannot stem the torrent of sadness from the thought that last year, during our Athens Spring, Greece had weapons against the troika's organised incompetence that I was, alas, not allowed to use. and that he alone is the protector of the weak and the poor quote:Why then did the IMF not back me in 2015 but are adopting the same 1.5 percent surplus target now? Because they also wanted something that I would never grant: crushing new austerity which is inhuman and unnecessary but which, today, the Tsipras government (according to Velculescu) seems ready to accept, having already surrendered once in July 2015. But when he not talks about the evil agenda of the IMF and Merkel his analysis is pretty much on point.
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YF-23 posted:CH has always been anti-religion, it's not particularly limited to anti-Islam. Granted, it is inaccurate to blame the terrorist attacks on the religion itself for being anything more than a context in which things happen, but I feel that singling them out as "Islamophobic" is also inaccurate
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punk rebel ecks posted:It's a tragedy that Troika just didn't default. It's Greece's only logical way out of their mess. Unfortunately the Eurozone had a ridiculous rule where once joined you're not allowed to leave, and defaulting would cause that.
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Tesseraction posted:Unfortunately the Eurozone had a ridiculous rule where once joined you're not allowed to leave, and defaulting would cause that. Well, there was a standing offer from Schäuble for Greece to default and leave the Eurozone. The Greeks did not accept it. Chomskyan posted:The entire argument that piece is making is that every Muslim, no matter how integrated into European society, no matter how opposed to violence, bears responsibility for attacks by radical jihadists. Are you saying that's not Islamophobic? It's anti-religious, but I guess it's only cool if you are against Christianity or Judaism because they rank high enough on the privilege scale.
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GaussianCopula posted:Well, there was a standing offer from Schäuble for Greece to default and leave the Eurozone. The Greeks did not accept it. When was this?
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