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Kaislioc posted:I feel like I'm a bit late to the party in noticing that the best thing they could come up with as a symbol for their vote leave campaign is a ballot box. They must have been up all night thinking of that one. its actually a robots bellend
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Francois_Dillinger posted:He's on his arse. I'd love it if Labour went after the smug-faced shitweasle big time now. That's the thing about the media narrative. They can change it immediately and the results are retroactive. Now not only is he NOT the greatest economic mind of the 21st century. He NEVER was. It was never a thing. Move on citizens.
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I thought this was an April Fools joke the first day I read about it but unemployed people in North Ayrshire have been getting fined on a ~training course~ run by the SNP-controlled council for such indiscretions as tutting, having their hands in their pockets and not wearing a name badge. The DWP even thought it was a bit too much."Herald posted:Department of Work and Pensions has now suspended referrals to the STRIVE programme pending investigation into the workings of the fines system.  TACD posted:He said Weetabix, but he was thinking testicles. I thought it was shredded wheat.
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crispix posted:I thought this was an April Fools joke the first day I read about it but unemployed people in North Ayrshire have been getting fined on a ~training course~ run by the SNP-controlled council for such indiscretions as tutting, having their hands in their pockets and not wearing a name badge. The DWP even thought it was a bit too much. It's literally called the STRIVE programme. Fines for tutting and swearing were probably their major profit centre.
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BRIT. PREVENT  STRIVE.  How long until the government goes full US and starts introducing bills with 'clever' acronym names?
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How much is the fine? Edit: oh right there's a price list. Fining people 10p like its the football team in primary school lol. I suppose it's an over-zealous workshop co-ordinator who doesn't really know what they're doing, league of gentlemen style. Hoops fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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Apr 3, 2016 12:13
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crispix posted:I thought this was an April Fools joke the first day I read about it but unemployed people in North Ayrshire have been getting fined on a ~training course~ run by the SNP-controlled council for such indiscretions as tutting, having their hands in their pockets and not wearing a name badge. The DWP even thought it was a bit too much. Literally this.
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Hoops posted:How much is the fine? I would still be bankrupt by the end of the day at 10p a tut if I were forced to go on something called STRIVE. Also linked from that story: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/office-disabled-scots-forced-take-7239183#QKA0E4amxAoYArGT.97 We're living in a Joseph Heller fever dream. Turn up for the interview - you must be fit, no payments for you. Don't turn up because you can't ollie your wheelchair up the steps? No payments for you.
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Is there any meaning in this or is it just word vomit?
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Apr 3, 2016 12:31
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thespaceinvader posted:Is there any meaning in this or is it just word vomit? The first letter is interesting though, at it reminded me that the UK is still one of the few countries in Europe without abortion on demand. And that Ireland is even worse.
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Apr 3, 2016 12:38
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Guavanaut posted:The first letter is interesting though, at it reminded me that the UK is still one of the few countries in Europe without abortion on demand. And that Ireland is even worse. Huh. That I did not know. I followed the BPAS link: quote:Is abortion legal? As there are 200,000 a year apparently, do we just apply a really, really broad reading to "harmful to mental health of the woman"? I can't see anything else that would apply for cases where a child is aborted solely because it's not planned. Edit: Answering my own question, apparently yes, somewhat controversially. quote:In 98% of procedures carried out each year, mental health concerns are cited as the reason. The law states that a woman must face a greater risk to her mental or physical health by continuing with an unwanted pregnancy than if she had an abortion. Prince John fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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Yeah, it's de facto legal by applying very broad definitions of mental health and wellbeing, but there is a general reluctance to make termination of a pregnancy (within a certain timeframe) an absolute legal right like the rest of Europe that isn't Ireland or Poland.
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, it's de facto legal by applying very broad definitions of mental health and wellbeing, but there is a general reluctance to make termination of a pregnancy (within a certain timeframe) an absolute legal right like the rest of Europe that isn't Ireland or Poland. Most the GP letters I saw for termination just said something like "does not feel she would be able to cope". Nobody cares, you can opt out of signing these if you want and generally the opt-outers are the moral objectors, the rest of doctors don't particularly care and probably wouldn't bad an eyelid if it was legalised as per Europe.
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I mean from the political circles. Doctors being fine with it for the most part is the reason why it's de facto legal, but there's seemingly no political will to legalize it in line with Europe. It's certainly a preferable situation to parts of the US, where it is de jure legal but some states go out of their way to be fuckers about it, like having one certified clinic in the most remote part of the state, but it is strange that it has still not been done on paper.
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The reason there is no political will ti make it officially fully legal is simple. At the moment if you want an abortion you can get one, its grand, making it fully legal would actually have no practical change. However if they decided to do that you cab imagine all the crazies would come out of the wood work and start raising absolute hell because it was in the public consciousness again.
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Dog Pipes posted:He's on his arse. I'd love it if Labour went after the smug-faced shitweasle big time now. I wouldn't because the guardian are useless pointless twats. Looks like someone is angling for a weekly column.
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StoneOfShame posted:The reason there is no political will ti make it officially fully legal is simple. At the moment if you want an abortion you can get one, its grand, making it fully legal would actually have no practical change. However if they decided to do that you cab imagine all the crazies would come out of the wood work and start raising absolute hell because it was in the public consciousness again. Especially now our media is worse than Fox News (by Obama's campaign manager's own description) so we'd deal with a really shitted up debate.
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thespaceinvader posted:Is there any meaning in this or is it just word vomit? Identity politics can sometimes be a mind killer. If the world consisted of only mens trousers then I suppose you could frame everything by what trousers one wears. Maybe this letter comes from a trouser based reality and it somehow crossed over. Makes you think.
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quote:Yet critics point to a study from the Royal College of Psychiatrists in 2011 which reviewed the mental health risks of abortion. It concluded that for women with unwanted pregnancies, rates of mental health problems were the same whether they had a termination or gave birth. Err - maybe that's because those women were able to deal with their pregnancies in the way that they thought most conducive to their mental health?! Unless the study literally forced women who wanted an abortion not to have one, I don't see how it could possibly be valid.
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I guess that's the sticky problem when you start framing women's rights issues as mental health issues though, and why most of Europe opted to go a slightly different path.
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UK First World Status: still confirmed (at least barely). Otherwise nobody would have time for this poo poo.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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happyhippy posted:You can instantly tell Val Walsh is the fat one in her lesbian relationship. This is problematic. Also unnecessary.
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namesake posted:This is problematic. she's definitely a stupid one in any relationship tbh, that was one of the worst things I've ever read. A self described feminist critique of the 50s, focussing on the clothes people wear and not their substance. Yeah, ok.
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I know my grandad dressed like a grandad because he identified with the hetero-patriarchical masculinities of the politics of left and right and not because that's just what he liked wearing.
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Spangly A posted:A self described feminist critique of the 50s, focussing on the clothes people wear and not their substance. Yeah, ok. Actually it's brilliant. A perfect metaphor for how identity politics have become obsessed with style over substance. Nobody could have crafted such a perfect piece of criticism by accident.
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Angepain posted:Well, "Better Together" had to hastily rename itself to "No Thanks" a few months before the election, so I guess they didn't think it was working as well as they'd like. There was UKOK as well. I still sometimes can't believe we didn't win the drat thing with the Unionist campaign being as shambolic as it was. EDIT: I was quite surprised to see this- Peter Hitchens is disavowing Thatcherism, ne0liberalism, and privatisation. Apologies for the Daily Mail link. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3520932/PETER-HITCHENS-Privatisation-Free-trade-Shares-great-ruined-Britain.html#ixzz44knVgVY8 Coohoolin fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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Coohoolin posted:There was UKOK as well. why would this surprise you the only way this surprises you is if you know basically nothing of that whole strand of ur-conservative ideology
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You didn't win because the majority of the Scottish people felt that their lives would probably be better as part of the UK, if I were Scottish looking over the financial information that was available I would probably have agreed also I could never really trust the SNP. The politics of people look and dress is a weird thing and I've never got people getting invested in it, like that video of the black woman who got pretty vocal with a white bloke for having dreads and pushed him.
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StoneOfShame posted:The politics of people look and dress is a weird thing and I've never got people getting invested in it, like that video of the black woman who got pretty vocal with a white bloke for having dreads and pushed him. Its basically people who (rightly or wrongly) feel they are oppressed or who (pointlessly) look for something to be outraged about latch onto some inconsequential bullshit to feel they're Doing Something™ because tackling actual important issues would be hard.
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Guavanaut posted:I guess that's the sticky problem when you start framing women's rights issues as mental health issues though, and why most of Europe opted to go a slightly different path. It's a weird example of the first mover problem - the Abortion Act was one of the very first times anywhere in the world that abortion was explicitly legalised (most of the US and Europe didn't get it until the 1970s) rather than being de facto decriminalised, and was done in a fairly elegant realpolitik way - the "mental health of the mother" allowance being made specifically because they knew this would translate into more or less abortion on demand without having to run the religious gauntlet that using those specific words would entail. As has been pointed out, the current law is just about good enough, and so is unlikely to be changed because then we'd all have to listen to Nadine Dorries again. Had it remained banned-but-decriminalised into the nineties we'd have probably got a much clearer abortion on demand clause - although maybe not because they've been trying to drop the limit, with some success, since the eighties.
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thespaceinvader posted:Which is why, despite it probably being overall less effective, I'm glad Labour has its own in campaign. It's actually better that way considering the last time Labour and Tories campaigned together. Coohoolin posted:There was U KOK as well. Fix'd. StoneOfShame posted:You didn't win because the majority of the Scottish people felt that their lives would probably be better as part of the UK, if I were Scottish looking over the financial information that was available I would probably have agreed also I could never really trust the SNP. 5% above the 50%+1 needed isn't that big of a majority. I remember reporters/people saying that the Greek bailout referendum for No was not a majority dispite it being in the 60% field and said earlier before that the No side for the ScotRef was a 'big' or just a majority at 55%. StoneOfShame posted:also I could never really trust the SNP. Are you saying you don't trust a party that would fine you for putting your hands in your pockets? For shame. I thought this was a SCOTTISH democracy.
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Extreme0 posted:I remember reporters/people saying that the Greek bailout referendum for No was not a majority dispite it being in the 60% field I think you're misremembering.
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The Daily Heil is running one hell of a late April Fool's joke. Peter Hitchens has suddenly realised neoliberalism is bad.quote:I am so sorry now that I fell for the great Thatcher-Reagan promise. I can’t deny that I did. I believed all that stuff about privatisation and free trade and the unrestrained market. I think I may even have been taken in by the prophecies of a great share-owning democracy. edit: Beaten like something that gets beaten a lot.
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Pissflaps posted:I think you're misremembering. Sorry but I'm not. I have a very good memory when it comes to non-important things in life. Almost Ordinary posted:edit: Beaten like something that gets beaten a lot. Please stop talking about yo dick.
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Extreme0 posted:Sorry but I'm not. I have a very good memory when it comes to non-important things in life. I don't believe you remember people describing 60% as 'not a majority'.
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Almost Ordinary posted:The Daily Heil is running one hell of a late April Fool's joke. Peter Hitchens has suddenly realised neoliberalism is bad. Sounds like your populist right toke a hard look at Trump and the Front National and decided to follow their example, but please explain to me why even someone as far left as Paul Mason yearns for guns and tanks made out of British steel.
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GaussianCopula posted:Sounds like your populist right toke a hard look at Trump and the Front National and decided to follow their example, but please explain to me why even someone as far left as Paul Mason yearns for guns and tanks made out of British steel.
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