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Pissflaps posted:I don't believe you remember people describing 60% as 'not a majority'. Just like I don't believe your Teetotal. Though now that I think about it. I did remember it more being a "close call/at the edge" when it came from journalists when the journalists for the indyref were calling the result a very decided win I find it very hard to believe that 60% is a close call compared to a 55% which is a decided win but then Jorunalists/reporters like to use hyperbole when something goes their way or dosen't. So yes I suppose I did misremember it in a obtuse way. GaussianCopula posted:Sounds like your populist right toke well yea, how do you think they are fine with being shitheads all the time. Also. Oberleutnant posted:Shut up nazi
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Malcolm XML posted:How does the North Sea oil as a source of huge fund argument hold up today with structurally lower oil prices Badly. Extreme0 posted:I find it very hard to believe that 60% is a close call compared to a 55% which is a decided win Same. Probably because it didn't happen.
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Malcolm XML posted:How does the North Sea oil as a source of huge fund argument hold up today with structurally lower oil prices In a 1 to 10? hosed.
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Extreme0 posted:In a 1 to 10? So Scotland dodged a huge bullet by voting to remain?
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Malcolm XML posted:So Scotland dodged a huge bullet by voting to remain? Big time.
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Hoops posted:Peter Hitchens is loving mental Hitchens is one of those people born in the wrong time, he'd fit in perfectly in the 1890s. Crashbee fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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Peter Hitchens posted:Someone usually pops up at this stage and says that we still manufacture a lot. If you say so, but then why are the drug-dealers so busy in our new factory-free industrial areas, and why can I never buy anything that was made here, except from absurdly expensive luxury shops? Specifically the second wave, where a hall full of machinists on lathes got replaced with a CNC machining center and a couple of machinists who know G-code. Also a lot of the factories in inner cities are garbage tier or have been rendered uninhabitable by mid 20th century industrial practices like 'throwing poison around everywhere'. The new industrial areas still have factories though. Now, there are probably plenty of factory jobs that still require people, just look at an assembly line process in China. But also look at the working conditions. We could probably get some of those jobs back without getting those working conditions back if businesses were willing to cut some of the fat at the top, but they'll either offshore or automate and pocket the difference instead if allowed to.  As for things that are made locally but aren't absurdly expensive luxury products, these are made down the road from me:  But the profits go to PepsiCo or someone now.
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Guavanaut posted:
Oh for the days when everyone had a local crisps company. Like a delicious ITV. Monster Munch was made by Smiths in Cricklewood until they were bought out by Walkers in Leicester, who were bought out by Pepsi and merged with Lay's.
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Seabrook's are still around aren't they? This could get interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-35918844
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Thanks Ants posted:Seabrook's are still around aren't they? why does that rag SDZ still get to have investigative journalists and the close we get in the UK is David Conn telling us all fifa is corrupt
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I am agog to discover the many legitimate reasons MF's clients might have for wanting to hide their assets.
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Thanks Ants posted:This could get interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-35918844
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Thanks Ants posted:Seabrook's are still around aren't they? gently caress yes. Scalp number one incoming: quote:Mossack Fonseca data also shows how Icelandic Prime Minister Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson had an undeclared interest in his country's bailed-out banks. Some juicy Putin related investments in there too.
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This page goes into it a lot more https://panamapapers.icij.org/the_power_players/ https://panamapapers.icij.org/20160403-panama-papers-global-overview.html quote:In 2013, U.K. leader David Cameron urged his country’s overseas territories — including the British Virgin Islands — to work with him to “get our own houses in order” and join the fight against tax evasion and offshore secrecy. Thanks Ants fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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Malcolm XML posted:So Scotland dodged a huge bullet by voting to remain? The SNP were going to be too reliant on the oil to be still gold and not invest in other industries to offset the deficit even when the oil isn't enough to fully cover it. Prince John posted:Some juicy Putin related investments in there too. Every rear end in a top hat is connected to another rear end in a top hat in some form.
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OwlFancier posted:https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-ceee-PMs-mum-packs-in-Tories-to-go-Red
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OwlFancier posted:https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-ceee-PMs-mum-packs-in-Tories-to-go-Red I see no reason to distrust the word of Communist Party secretary May D'Oupe.
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Kegluneq posted:I see no reason to distrust the word of Communist Party secretary May D'Oupe. Gah, I read that and couldn't figure out what it was trying to be.
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OwlFancier posted:Gah, I read that and couldn't figure out what it was trying to be. On the off chance you're serious, 'Made Up'...
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Kegluneq posted:On the off chance you're serious, 'Made Up'... No I get it now, I read it in the article and tried to figure out what it was supposed to sound like but didn't get it until you posted it.
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OwlFancier posted:No I get it now, I read it in the article and tried to figure out what it was supposed to sound like but didn't get it until you posted it. To be honest you should probably have clocked it at 'he's been a very naughty boy'.
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Yeah yeah yeah I wasn't being entirely serious, just thought it was a funny article.
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Thanks Ants posted:This page goes into it a lot more Nice of Cameron's dad to call his shady investment company after his son though.
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Thanks Ants posted:Seabrook's are still around aren't they? I like how this BBC article is calling out the official baddies like Gaddafi and Assad and Putin, and somehow doesn't mention the implicated tory Brits like Ashcroft and Cameron's dad
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Coohoolin posted:I was quite surprised to see this- Peter Hitchens is disavowing Thatcherism, ne0liberalism, and privatisation. Apologies for the Daily Mail link. I'm inclined to take Hitchens at face value here. He's overwhelmingly wrong about most things, but he's pretty forthright. He's very much a traditionalist Conservative, which explains his disquiet with the neo-liberal Cameron Crew. This is the sort of stuff that Labour need to tap into. British industry and jobs, protecting local companies from national/multinational takeover and closure. Force the Tories to take a line on this, and alienate their financiers or the public. TATA steel is the beginning.
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winegums posted:This is the sort of stuff that Labour need to tap into. British industry and jobs, protecting local companies from national/multinational takeover and closure. Force the Tories to take a line on this, and alienate their financiers or the public. TATA steel is the beginning. You'd think it would be the easiest thing in the world to exploit. Do you want another foreign multinational, or do you want to bring back BRITISH Steel. Slap a union jack on it and a commercial of girders with 'Made In Britain' stamped on them and you would think the public would eat it up. I guess there is the whole thing about being honest and not appealing to the lowest common denominator and all that.
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It's the International Permanent Revolution vs. Socialism in One Country debate. Bring your own ice pick.
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OwlFancier posted:I too look forward to the rise of National Socialism. Oberleutnant posted:Shut up nazi winegums posted:This is the sort of stuff that Labour need to tap into. British industry and jobs, protecting local companies from national/multinational takeover and closure. Force the Tories to take a line on this, and alienate their financiers or the public. TATA steel is the beginning. "George Osborne sold the steel"
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OwlFancier posted:I too look forward to the rise of National Socialism. If the Blairites get sufficiently uppity, is there a chance that the Tory left might break away and join the Labour right?
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Jedit posted:If the Blairites get sufficiently uppity, is there a chance that the Tory left might break away and join the Labour right? this is literally UKIP
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Jedit posted:If the Blairites get sufficiently uppity, is there a chance that the Tory left might break away and join the Labour right? You'd think so because they're barely distinguishable as far as politics go, but being as they are both that particularly british kind of conservative that is averse to doing anything original or radical, I can't see it happening.
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Jedit posted:If the Blairites get sufficiently uppity, is there a chance that the Tory left might break away and join the Labour right? Which actually might be a good thing in the long run because they might raise hell to get a different voting system when they inevitably get a ton of votes and 3 seats.
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Well Javid is making a bunch of noises about the government stepping in to save the steel plant now. Which - guess what - mostly looks like the UK taking on all the liabilities so the glorious free market gets a peach of a deal for whatever asset stripping venture wants to buy it up No nationalisation though of course, that would be simply terrible
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Guavanaut posted:They could form a new highly successful middle ground party. this worked really well for the liberals, SDP-Lib alliance, greens, Lib Dems, and UKIP
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