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how strange. no one protested the "middle aged men for bozo the clown" gathering
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Apr 4, 2016 02:00
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Conservatives jerk off to bikers almost as much as are troops. I guess it's the wish that they could have bought a motorcycle before that nagging harpie they married made them get a sedan.
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Apr 4, 2016 02:05
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My first exposure to "biker" culture was seeing a pamphlet for some motorcycle law group and their cover proudly stated that they had fought against mandatory helmet laws. My first reaction is "Wait, what the gently caress, they're presenting this as a good thing?"
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Apr 4, 2016 02:29
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Whoa there's a flashback for me. He used to play my college a bunch in the early aughts
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Apr 4, 2016 02:40
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Twelve by Pies posted:My first exposure to "biker" culture was seeing a pamphlet for some motorcycle law group and their cover proudly stated that they had fought against mandatory helmet laws. My first reaction is "Wait, what the gently caress, they're presenting this as a good thing?" Hey man, my right to die unnecessarily outweighs the government's right to tell me what I can or can't wear on my head.
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Apr 4, 2016 02:41
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Scruff McGruff posted:This dude loves ranting about how "redskin" is totally not offensive at all and that if people cry about that then why aren't leprechauns (Or Notre Dame's mascot here) offensive to the Irish and DOUBLE STANDARD! 
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Apr 4, 2016 03:08
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Verisimilidude posted:Hey man, my right to die unnecessarily outweighs the government's right to tell me what I can or can't wear on my head. "Mah freedom!" Also enjoy the schadenfreude when irony hits and something happens to them and they become a vegetable.
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Apr 4, 2016 03:11
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Scruff McGruff posted:This dude loves ranting about how "redskin" is totally not offensive at all and that if people cry about that then why aren't leprechauns (Or Notre Dame's mascot here) offensive to the Irish and DOUBLE STANDARD! So far my most successful approach to this has been to sub in some more-contemporary but still generally rare epithets; "Tell me, would it be hosed up if we were talking about the Washington Wetbacks? Washington Spics?" When, inevitably, you receive a No, then escalate. If you're talking to someone with empathy who's caught up in outrage over Things Changing, or has a lot of their identity wrapped up in ball-moving groups, then the approach gives you a chance of slipping some thoughts in edgewise. If you're deliberately interacting with a known bigot, it's a great way to get them either to out themselves to the audience or to gently caress off, the two major reasons I personally tend to engage with this sort of person.
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Apr 4, 2016 03:26
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Twelve by Pies posted:My first exposure to "biker" culture was seeing a pamphlet for some motorcycle law group and their cover proudly stated that they had fought against mandatory helmet laws. My first reaction is "Wait, what the gently caress, they're presenting this as a good thing?" Be thankful we have so many willing organ donors.
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Apr 4, 2016 03:40
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Maybe people couldn't come protest because they had jobs.  Twelve by Pies posted:My first exposure to "biker" culture was seeing a pamphlet for some motorcycle law group and their cover proudly stated that they had fought against mandatory helmet laws. My first reaction is "Wait, what the gently caress, they're presenting this as a good thing?" On the other hand, there are some really cool bikers. My favorite is the ones who escort child abuse victims to their court dates and help support them when they testify about what happened to them. It's like "I don't have to be scared of my creepy uncle because this biker will kick his rear end if he tries anything." http://bacaworld.org/mission/
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Apr 4, 2016 03:45
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RagnarokAngel posted:Conservatives jerk off to bikers almost as much as are troops. I guess it's the wish that they could have bought a motorcycle before that nagging harpie they married made them get a sedan. Outlaw biker gangs are basically everything the right wants actual American organization to be. They're violent, they rule by force, and consider women subservient to men. Pretty sure they also tend to be white guys, often white supremacists, and also vets. And guess which party they tend to vote for. Biker gangs rule by intimidation and fear. The GOP wants to run America that way.
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Apr 4, 2016 03:59
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Jurgan posted:Maybe people couldn't come protest because they had jobs. I'm glad some kids got an escort to court but this still feels like the kind of bullshit assholes randomly do to convince themselves that deep down they're not assholes.
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Apr 4, 2016 04:08
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Twelve by Pies posted:My first exposure to "biker" culture was seeing a pamphlet for some motorcycle law group and their cover proudly stated that they had fought against mandatory helmet laws. My first reaction is "Wait, what the gently caress, they're presenting this as a good thing?" When the helmet laws were dissolved in Tampa, my neighbor's dad and his buddies drove out to the bay and threw their helmets in. He was a 40 year old suburban father of two. A couple years ago, his oldest died in a horrific motorcycle accident.
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Apr 4, 2016 04:42
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MasterSlowPoke posted:When the helmet laws were dissolved in Tampa, my neighbor's dad and his buddies drove out to the bay and threw their helmets in. He was a 40 year old suburban father of two. Did he and his buddies drive out to the bay and throw his body in, too?
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Apr 4, 2016 04:49
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Sardine Wit posted:I'm glad some kids got an escort to court but this still feels like the kind of bullshit assholes randomly do to convince themselves that deep down they're not assholes. I'm not sure why you'd assume people who ride motorcycles are automatically bad people.
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Apr 4, 2016 05:19
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I think there's multiple flavors of biker, some are belligerent assholes, some just really think it's fun and cool to ride motorcycles.
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Apr 4, 2016 05:23
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the bikers implied by the bad facebook memes are the cool tough ones from the movies that are there to keep the it's a rogue police force in their minds, and these people tend to fuckin love the police
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Apr 4, 2016 05:26
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I think there's multiple flavors of biker, some are belligerent assholes, some just really think it's fun and cool to ride motorcycles. Yeah most people that own motorcycles are just regular people who happen to think motorcycles are cool. The reason bikes get a bad rap is because outlaw motorcycle gangs make the motorcycle a central, core portion of their identity. It doesn't help that there isn't an either/or dichotomy there, either. Some people just like to dress tough and get in fights on the weekends but don't take part in the organized crime that actual biker gangs get up to. There's a huge difference between a biker gang and a bike club, in any event. edit: It's also worth nothing that actual biker gangs tend to absolutely loathe weekend riders while some weekend riders like the image and aesthetic of biker gangs but don't like them because they're, you know, criminals. ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Apr 4, 2016 05:27
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Fulchrum posted:It'd be wrong of me to not bring up this production companies movie Old Fashioned. It's billed as the Christian alternative to 50 shades of Grey. It's about a man who fears being alone with any woman he's not related to for any period of time for fear they'll inevitably have sex. He gets a new tenant, and forces her to slowly give up her life, her independence, and any ambition she has in life other than having children. Then he marries her in the baby food Isle of his local supermarket, which is the first time he kisses her - on the cheek. I watched the review "The Cinema Snob" did of it. The protagonist does literally come across as a sexual predator, if not a serial killer. His views on relationships are so bizarre.
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Apr 4, 2016 05:32
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Daniel Bryan posted:the bikers implied by the bad facebook memes are the cool tough ones from the movies that are there to keep the You might be surprised how many bike gangs *are* cops
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Apr 4, 2016 06:01
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Jurgan posted:I'm not sure why you'd assume people who ride motorcycles are automatically bad people. I don't at all, I'm just saying that kind of posturing reminds me a bit of when 4chan goes after scientology or pedophiles or whatever. it feels a bit like a Good Act to prove that despite what you may have heard, we're the Good Ones. If you have friends who ride motorcycles and are good people I believe you.
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Apr 4, 2016 06:26
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I just assume most dudes out riding motorcycles are midlife crisis dads.
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Apr 4, 2016 07:28
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Sardine Wit posted:I don't at all, I'm just saying that kind of posturing reminds me a bit of when 4chan goes after scientology or pedophiles or whatever. it feels a bit like a Good Act to prove that despite what you may have heard, we're the Good Ones. If you have friends who ride motorcycles and are good people I believe you. no these guys are pretty cool. they dont go around beating up pedophiles or whatever. if there's an abused kid in the system who doesn't feel safe or emotionally stable, these guys will be referred and they'll show up and induct the kid into their biker gang with like a vest and a cool biker name, and they say "you're one of us now so if anyone messes with you they have to deal with us" and it helps a lot if you're a child dealing with scary adult poo poo like the court system and this whole vortex of painful emotions if you know that there's a bunch of Tough Guys ready to give you unconditional support. a big issue with abused kids is that a grown up did these things to you, and grown ups are strong and have all the power, so knowing that a bunch of other, bigger grown ups are on your side counts for a lot
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Apr 4, 2016 08:20
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"Would-be protesters have been scared away by the implicit threat of violence and aggression. This is a good thing." -The same people who are crowing about free speech and first amendment rights all the drat time.
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Apr 4, 2016 09:32
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Perestroika posted:"Would-be protesters have been scared away by the implicit threat of violence and aggression. This is a good thing." Don't forget still whining that a bunch of wimpy millennials scared off Trump and shut down their rally in Ohio. 
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Apr 4, 2016 11:21
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Radish posted:Don't forget still whining that a bunch of wimpy millennials scared off Trump and shut down their rally in Ohio. That was their side running, so it was a tactical rearward advance. Only the nebulous enemy can be cowardly (while also being relentless and fearsome).
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Apr 4, 2016 12:26
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My dad's been a life long motorcycle and dirt bike (and ATV and snowmobile, etc etc) rider, and from my experience the people who like motorcycles for the motorcycle itself tend to support helmets while people who are into them as an image/identity thing are the more anti-helmet ones.
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Apr 4, 2016 12:37
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DemeaninDemon posted:Be thankful we have so many willing organ donors. It'd push rider safety as a baseline while keeping the anti-helmet easy rider image set happy, and might make people think for a moment why the laws were in place. Worst case, it shortens the transplant lists.
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Apr 4, 2016 12:53
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Guavanaut posted:I'd support a system where helmet laws were in place but you were able to opt out by registering for a donor card. I don't think you realize how childish the right-wing really is in this country. They'd suddenly decide that "DUH GUBMINTS TRYIN TA TAKE MUH ORGANZ!!!" and rage out about having to give their kidneys to Obama's children or whatever. Basically they'd be pissed that they were "registered" for opting out, and focus on the kneejerk disgust that some people feel at the idea of organs being taken out of a human body to claim that too much was being asked of them. In short, the right-wing wants to do whatever they want, with no consequences or responsibility, being bailed out when any bad luck befalls them, while using the consequences and bad luck that happen to others as their entertainment.
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Apr 4, 2016 13:05
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I overheard someone talking just yesterday about how they didn't understand why no helmet laws were ok, but no seatbelt was against the law. He wasn't advocating FOR helmet laws, he didn't want the government telling him that he had to wear a seatbelt. I ride, and it makes me nervous if there's ever a reason where I don't wear my helmet - it's usually really short distance stuff. My parents, on the other hand, are big interstate touring riders, usually hitting 5-10 states in a single trip and loathe helmet laws. They ride without (for some loving reason) whenever they can and bitch when they get into a state with mandatory helmet laws. Aside from the general crash safety benefits, the lowered wind noise and less road debris hitting you in the face is really nice. I think a lot of the people who don't wear helmets are "Lifestyle" bikers who aren't terribly interested in motorcycles/riding from any sort of technical aspect and the Venn diagram between this group and the people that buy fully-kitted Jeeps with no desire to ever drive them offroad is almost an overlapping circle.
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Apr 4, 2016 15:24
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Being in a car without a seatbelt makes you a danger to other people in the vehicle, not just yourself, especially if you're in the back seats. Driving at highway speeds without a seatbelt can turn you into a projectile through the windshield. I've heard several arguments that you're safer without if you're in the front seats and going below 30, which may be the case. But then you have to put your belt on when you're in the middle of transitioning from your quiet residential road to a higher speed one, so there's added risk there. If you're on your own in the vehicle and not going outside of a low speed area then yeah, you're not endangering anyone else really, and nobody should make a huge deal about your possibly bad choice. It seems like that's a small subset to make an exception for though.
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Apr 4, 2016 15:33
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Guavanaut posted:
It's not the case
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Apr 4, 2016 15:50
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The only place I have seen people go 30mph is a parking lot, anyway.
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Apr 4, 2016 15:52
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robotsinmyhead posted:He wasn't advocating FOR helmet laws, he didn't want the government telling him that he had to wear a seatbelt. Take your pick: Nanny state, nation of pussies, Obama.
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Apr 4, 2016 15:52
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Yes, laws that are designed to protect idiots from themselves somehow infringes on ARE FREEDOMS.
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Apr 4, 2016 16:03
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Vargatron posted:Yes, laws that are designed to protect idiots from themselves somehow infringes on ARE FREEDOMS. Idiots and culture warriors have no grasp of positive and negative liberty, news at 11. 
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Apr 4, 2016 17:30
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 Someone that didn't pay attention in chemistry, biology, home ec., design and tech., or English lit. dot png.
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Apr 4, 2016 17:58
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Guavanaut posted:
You dare demand to know the "why" of anything, heretic?! 
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I loving LOVE living in my rough timber hole in the ground. E: that I built by smashing rocks into trees and then smashing the logs together because metallurgy is for loving nerds.
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