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Hobgoblin2099 posted:So why does Batman want Ryder to leave the police station? I think at this point it's way too dangerous for him to leave the city and he doesn't have a Batcave of his own to go to. Where else is he supposed to go that won't get broken into, gassed, or firebombed? Because he hates him and wants him to go away, which is completely understandable.
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NHO posted:Of games to wish for... Telltale is doing a Batman game where you play as Bruce Wayne for a considerable amount and his business decisions affect his adventures.
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Wedemeyer posted:Awww poor weirdo Riddler's one of the more sympathetic ones, but almost everyone in the classic/btas batman villain lineup has a tragic/sympathetic backstory, something that sets the series apart.
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I'm admittedly not a walking wiki of Batman trivia, but Riddler seems like the most empathizable character in the media. He had an abusive childhood leading to a mentally unwell adulthood that's really detrimental to enjoyment of life. Maybe he is truly fond of puzzles, but the compulsion part of it can't be fun. [You're running around Gotham sticking sudoko on the sides of building, man.]
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anilEhilated posted:As stupid as it sounds, there's a pretty good reason for that: cobras become an utter pain in the rear end as their numbers increase. Fighting them isn't fun now, it'll become painful before the game ends, it wouldn't be fun with other enemies thrown into mix. That seams to stem from the fact that they're really one dimensional and time consuming, increasing their numbers is an awful idea. On the other hand, you could probably do something cool with them if a single cobra was patrolling an area where you were having a fight with some normal tanks. Better, you could have it escorted by normal militia goons, who would act as spotters for it, and have the player deal with the whole thing on foot as part of a mobile outdoor predator deal. They also could have done something cool where you had multiple approaches to deal with a cobra, and if you favored one the militia would support the cobra with enemies to make that approach more difficult. Piling up more cobras in a single area feels really dumb though. Tasteful Dickpic posted:On the other hand, the characterization of Two-Face is pretty on-target. Obsessed with justice and fairness, but using duality and his coin as the method. I find it funny that batman is so concerned about a bank, given that they're insured and most of the money they have on the premises will literally explode if you try to steal it. If I were Batman I'd have just let Two-Face rob the place, it isn't like there are people in danger because of this or anything.
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akulanization posted:I find it funny that batman is so concerned about a bank, given that they're insured and most of the money they have on the premises will literally explode if you try to steal it. If I were Batman I'd have just let Two-Face rob the place, it isn't like there are people in danger because of this or anything. It's not the money, it's the principle of the thing! Nigma isn't the only one with obsessions and compulsions, after all.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:So why does Batman want Ryder to leave the police station? I think at this point it's way too dangerous for him to leave the city and he doesn't have a Batcave of his own to go to. Where else is he supposed to go that won't get broken into, gassed, or firebombed? If youre talking about the Bruce Wayne comment, itd be kind of hypocritical to punch Ryder for it. Bruce Wayne is intentionally giving that kind of impression of himself to the public.  If Batman had a sense of humor he'd probably giggling to himself at how perfectly his disguise is working.
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Well, he can still apprehend Two-Face and his criminals, so that's something.
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Iretep posted:If youre talking about the Bruce Wayne comment, itd be kind of hypocritical to punch Ryder for it. Bruce Wayne is intentionally giving that kind of impression of himself to the public. I think it's more his open glee at the prospect of a murder cult killing more people for
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akulanization posted:I think it's more his open glee at the prospect of a murder cult killing more people for Yeah, that. "Woo, people are dying! Can't wait to profit on it!" The remark about Bruce Wayne is just a dick comment.
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Discendo Vox posted:Riddler's one of the more sympathetic ones, but almost everyone in the classic/btas batman villain lineup has a tragic/sympathetic backstory, something that sets the series apart. Oh sure, I generally understood that. But compared to 'I fell into a chemical vat and went looney', Riddler is just more pathetic. He really needs legit help and not Dr. Batman prescribing him concussions This is probably why I empathized with Loki from marvel until it turns out he committed genocide.akulanization posted:I find it funny that batman is so concerned about a bank, given that they're insured and most of the money they have on the premises will literally explode if you try to steal it. If I were Batman I'd have just let Two-Face rob the place, it isn't like there are people in danger because of this or anything. Seriously. The entire east coast of USA/North America(?) is in danger of mass murder and he's stopping back robber. Well I guess it is a matter of principles.
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Batman's a capitalist, of course he's going to stop a bank robbery.
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Batman serves the 1% When was the last time he drove thugs out of a vanity amusement park owned by a POOR person?
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Discendo Vox posted:Riddler's one of the more sympathetic ones, but almost everyone in the classic/btas batman villain lineup has a tragic/sympathetic backstory, something that sets the series apart. I mentioned this in another post but the CCA had a lot swing in determining how a villain could be depicted. The top half of the image was the original story as first imagined by the writers and the bottom half was what was initially printed with the suggested CCA changes included.  It was deemed that Two-face suffering psychological damage from an acid attack made by a criminal made him too sympathetic so it was changed to an unfortunate accident (also no acid, that stuff's too brutal). Two-Face actually made no appearances during the worst years of the CCA censorship owing to the feeling that his scars were inappropriate for consumption. E: As an aside I should point out the guy above is the 2nd dude to use the Two Face identity, his origin story was written during the early CCA years while Dent Two Face predated the CCA - still a decent contrast in how villains had to be depicted. hard counter fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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hard counter posted:I mentioned this in another post but the CCA had a lot swing in determining how a villain could be depicted. The top half of the image was the original story as first imagined by the writers and the bottom half was what was initially printed with the suggested CCA changes included. getting half your face burned/shredded off with glass from exploding stage light sounds alot more gruesome and awful. then acid. i mean acid is loving horrofing but edit makes it look even more painful. the CCA was loving wierd. I remember reading a bunch of old comics, and pretty much every criminal batman captured went straight to the chair, they were like weird morality plays. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:getting half your face burned/shredded off with glass from exploding stage light sounds alot more gruesome and awful. then acid. i mean acid is loving horrofing but edit makes it look even more painful. the CCA was loving wierd. I remember reading a bunch of old comics, and pretty much every criminal batman captured went straight to the chair, they were like weird morality plays. Watching the Adam West batman show leads to a few moments where the morality play aspect of the show stands out in extreme stark contrast. Any time a woman is depicted as a villain (And she isn't Catwoman) she's usually just fallen under the sway of a more charismatic man. And in one case the moll of the week had to be sent away to her cousin's ranch in Australia so as to be removed from immoral temptation. And in a case where Robin had to try and infiltrate a gang of ruffians who were cheating on tests(It was Joker's latest plot, since people who cheat on their tests will become criminals when they grow up, it's a proven fact) he couldn't smoke a cigarette on command. Batman later commended him for his inability to keep his cover because Smoking is such a terrible vice (even though he potentially blew the case). There was also an episode where they took about a minute and a half for a Police Officer to dress down a woman who got angry that Batman and Robin blew a red light when she had to wait, because Batman and Robin would only do so in the case of a grave emergency, and were that not the case then they'd obey it like every law abiding citizen should. And then, I poo poo you not, everybody clapped. All of the pedestrians and the other people stopped at the light clapped for the police officer.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:getting half your face burned/shredded off with glass from exploding stage light sounds alot more gruesome and awful. then acid. i mean acid is loving horrofing but edit makes it look even more painful. the CCA was loving wierd. I remember reading a bunch of old comics, and pretty much every criminal batman captured went straight to the chair, they were like weird morality plays. Sounds about right on all counts. Tons of frames were changed for seemingly arbitrary, inconsistent reasons - lots of old comics will have Bats doing CSI on non-existent weapons that were edited out (knives and knife play were particularly demonized so even a clean, discarded blade might earn censorship) and you just had to assume it was there and that Bruce/The Narrator wasn't delusional. Part of the code stipulated that good should always triumph and that all criminals should always see appropriate punishment for their misdeeds and so preachy panels about capital punishment was often a perfectly hard counter fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Apr 5, 2016 |
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Kurieg posted:There was also an episode where they took about a minute and a half for a Police Officer to dress down a woman who got angry that Batman and Robin blew a red light when she had to wait, because Batman and Robin would only do so in the case of a grave emergency, and were that not the case then they'd obey it like every law abiding citizen should. I was trying to find a clip of that moment for some reason earlier. Maybe it was to shame dscruffy1 into driving the Batmobile like a proper Batman and stop crashing into stuff so much. 
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Kal-L posted:I was trying to find a clip of that moment for some reason earlier. Maybe it was to shame dscruffy1 into driving the Batmobile like a proper Batman and stop crashing into stuff so much. Good luck with that. The best driving you're going to see from me was in the DLC races, some of which involve crashing into stuff. As much as I love Batman '66 it has issues with treatment of women. It was at its best when it was lighthearted and had a dedication to appropriate signage for EVERYTHING.
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Batman66Labels is one of my favorite things to follow on twitter.
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dscruffy1 posted:As much as I love Batman '66 it has issues with treatment of women. A sad point to reflect on was that the show was ultimately a positive for women in some respects, at least in terms of visibility. Catwoman in the comics had been on a long, long hiatus since the induction of the CCA as having her appear would immediately compromise chances of getting approval since she had a complicated relationship with Batman and good & evil, both things that wouldn't fly in sanitized materials. Her appearance and popularity on a squeaky clean hit tv show is credited for a revived interest and use of her character in comics, with the nudging forward of a boundary becoming integrated into popular thought. hard counter fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Apr 5, 2016 |
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Let's not forget that Batman '66 started the tradition of Batman killing people "accidentally"  And dscruffy1, I'd totally be crashing into stuff if I was driving a tank Batmobile. After all, my good friend and millionaire Bruce Wayne would be kind enough to pick up the tab for any collision damages to other cars. 
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It's mostly gonna be sidequest stuff for the next few videos, because I have a short attention span. There's actual main story progression too! Because that was so great last time. It's Easy As A-P-C/PolsyI'm probably going to start recording some of the AR challenges (challenge room maps) when I get some free time soon. Finding the free time lately is hard though.
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hard counter posted:A sad point to reflect on was that the show was ultimately a positive for women in some respects, at least in terms of visibility. Catwoman in the comics had been on a long, long hiatus since the induction of the CCA as having her appear would immediately comprise chances of getting approval since she had a complicated relationship with Batman and good & evil, both things that wouldn't fly in sanitized materials. Her appearance and popularity on a squeaky clean hit tv show is credited for a revived interest and use of her character in comics, with the nudging forward of a boundary becoming integrated into popular thought. Don't forget that of the three actresses to play her, the last one - Eartha Kitt - was of Native American and African American descent, and no one commented about it. She was treated as Catwoman first, her gender being a secondary consideration, and nothing else mattered.
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Hardened Criminal posted:My mom always told me I was special! Also, I should have shared this clip a good while back, but seeing Batman picking up bats to beat enemies with reminded me of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6qdmXrBSu0 Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Apr 5, 2016 |
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Meant to ask this before, can you blow up the penguin caches without closing the vaults or will it say the explosion is too big?
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dscruffy, maybe I missed it, but what is your opinion on the other big mobility upgrades (you mainly use the Batmobile to get around, I upgraded another thing 2 or 3 more times, and loved it)?
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Pennfalath posted:dscruffy, maybe I missed it, but what is your opinion on the other big mobility upgrades (you mainly use the Batmobile to get around, I upgraded another thing 2 or 3 more times, and loved it)?
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Speaking of the grapnel thing, ever since the first time I saw it in the TAS as a kid it makes my shoulder hurt. Because a human shoulder should not be able to withstand that.
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I always half expect the grapnel to just go flying out of Batman's hand, rather than pull him up at speed.
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I like to think that Bruce is the sort of man who records himself to study his form like some top athletes, because then there is canonically thousands of hours of rookie Batman just making an rear end out of himself in the Batcave as Alfred quips dryly from the sidelines.
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CzarChasm posted:Meant to ask this before, can you blow up the penguin caches without closing the vaults or will it say the explosion is too big? Can't do it! Batman will say he needs to close it, and then won't detonate it until you're far enough away. Pennfalath posted:dscruffy, maybe I missed it, but what is your opinion on the other big mobility upgrades (you mainly use the Batmobile to get around, I upgraded another thing 2 or 3 more times, and loved it)? I don't think I've mentioned it at all but they're fantastic. It's just for me they're quality of life rather than necessary. I'll probably grab them before armor upgrades if I can get away with it.
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CzarChasm posted:Meant to ask this before, can you blow up the penguin caches without closing the vaults or will it say the explosion is too big? It'd be funny if you got a non-standard game over. Instead of the villain who killed you cackling at you in the game over screen, it's Nightwing going "Wow dumbass, I can't believe you actually did that. Let's go back to the cave and let Alfred tuck you into beddy-byes while the grownups deal with this."
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I'm short one Riddler trophy - it's one of those "stand on a pad then run like gently caress to the trophy" ones. The time limit on this one is incredibly tight - I've maxed the grapnel boost, yet I still miss the goal by 2 or 3 seconds. I think I need to boost more and glide less, but I'm really tearing my hair out here. It is just 100% of the Most Wanted stuff to get the "proper" ending, right? That one trophy, one land mine and one checkpoint is all I have left. The latter two are currently locked, presumably until I hit the point-of-no-return.
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Have you tried the Batmobile? I don't remember having problems with any of the racy glidy ones but there's a couple you're meant to get using the car. I'd suggest toughing it out - the payoff for doing the Riddler stuff is pretty cool.
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They keep throwing giant rear end piles of enemies at you, without really doing much balancing in terms of how much damage the enemies do. I feel like that's a problem with current gen games, there is finally enough computer power to spare to up the number of models on screen, but they forget to balance for this increased number of bad dudes trying to wreck your poo poo.
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:It'd be funny if you got a non-standard game over. Instead of the villain who killed you cackling at you in the game over screen, it's Nightwing going "Wow dumbass, I can't believe you actually did that. Let's go back to the cave and let Alfred tuck you into beddy-byes while the grownups deal with this." There are, in fact, Game Over screens with Alfred and Robin in this game. I don't know how they trigger, though. 
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What happens if you get killed during a tag-team fight?
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Sooooo... the militia definitely knows Batman is Bruce Wayne, right? They laid a trap for him at Wayne Tower. Did 'Arkham Knight' just keep that tidbit secret from Scarecrow somehow? Does this game end with Batman defeating Scarecrow, going back to bed at home, and getting plugged between the eyes by a grumpy former Robin?
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WFGuy posted:Sooooo... the militia definitely knows Batman is Bruce Wayne, right? They laid a trap for him at Wayne Tower. Did 'Arkham Knight' just keep that tidbit secret from Scarecrow somehow? They don't know, which is unbelievably ridiculous. What do they think he's going to Wayne Tower for? He's either Bruce Wayne or getting support from Bruce Wayne. 
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CzarChasm posted:Meant to ask this before, can you blow up the penguin caches without closing the vaults or will it say the explosion is too big? Nah, Batman just says he needs to close the vault first. He needs to be a fair distance from the door to detonate, too. Hobgoblin2099 posted:There are, in fact, Game Over screens with Alfred and Robin in this game. I don't know how they trigger, though. I'm pretty sure every bit of the game gets several death screens to choose from, featuring related characters. If you die during a Riddler challenge, Riddler laughs at you, if you die during a Robin tag-team, Robin swears to continue your legacy, etc. I don't know all of them, I think Alfred's come pretty late though.
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