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GaussianCopula posted:Causing grief is what EVE is built upon. As an outsider, harping on the BETRAYAL stuff is a little melodramatic. Just frame the whole thing as "you know what would make these pubs really mad?" and run with that.
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Apr 4, 2016 08:45
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GaussianCopula posted:What Sion is probably referring to is the fact that CCP's PR department's goals in this war are detrimental opposed to the Imperiums Fabian strategy of asymmetric demobilization and he might even argue that they are afraid of the Imperium because all the new and returning players don't get the big set piece battles that everyone lusts for but are instead forced to fight a war of attrition, which is a lot less fun. I find it hard to believe that "didn't want that sov anyway" while the front lines from Deklien are still 20 jumps away. There's a hell of a lot of people coming back on both sides to see the big battles IN a long war of attrition. CCP needs the numbers, they don't care who supplies them, and they will assist the Imperiam just as much if not more- they have professional Scope propaganda on the Imperiam's side, twice in a week! They want this war more than anyone else.
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Endie posted:Clearly he has in mind a Miracle of the House of Brandenburg. He's not the first embattled supreme leader to hope for that from his refuge in a bunker. I'd say following their Washington analogy for someone who successfully used a Fabian strategy, they are hoping for a Battle of Saratoga type event that gets someone still neutral (more Russians?) to back them. But in my view the correct historical analogy would be Sam Houston's victory in the Battle of San Jacinto.
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Comstar posted:I find it hard to believe that "didn't want that sov anyway" while the front lines from Deklien are still 20 jumps away. There's a hell of a lot of people coming back on both sides to see the big battles IN a long war of attrition. CCP needs the numbers, they don't care who supplies them, and they will assist the Imperiam just as much if not more- they have professional Scope propaganda on the Imperiam's side, twice in a week! They want this war more than anyone else. This isn't really a war of attrition right now though, it's a poo poo stomp. Maybe once the 'Good Guys' get to Deklein and there's some maneuvering, strategic use of the supers, and other various things that make war interesting- but right now, this is just FW on a larger scale (someone is actually losing their space, and not some fake, forced tug of war). GaussianCopula posted:I'd say following their Washington analogy for someone who successfully used a Fabian strategy, they are hoping for a Battle of Saratoga type event that gets someone still neutral (more Russians?) to back them. What the Imperium needs is a newbie drive and an OP worthy of one.
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Comstar posted:I find it hard to believe that "didn't want that sov anyway" while the front lines from Deklien are still 20 jumps away. There's a hell of a lot of people coming back on both sides to see the big battles IN a long war of attrition. CCP needs the numbers, they don't care who supplies them, and they will assist the Imperiam just as much if not more- they have professional Scope propaganda on the Imperiam's side, twice in a week! They want this war more than anyone else. See, the problem is that if the Imperium conducts the war according to the statements they made yesterday, there will be no big battles until a lot of people quit the war/game. The Imperium is not angling for a World War I/Verdun style war of attrition with large battles that don't have a conclusive outcome but drain resources from both parties but are following a Fabian strategy that denies the opponent exactly those types of battles until their resources are drained to a sufficient degree to achieve parity or even superiority. In this case the deciding resources are players logging into the game, which means that the strategy of the Imperium clashes with the goals of CCP, because they want less people (preferably on the side attackers side) to login each day.
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I'm fairly confident that the well of newbies has run almost dry here. SA's new membership rate has crashed over the last few years. And anyway posting a recruiting thread in GBS would not go over well one bit lol.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I'm fairly confident that the well of newbies has run almost dry here. SA's new membership rate has crashed over the last few years. And anyway posting a recruiting thread in GBS would not go over well one bit lol. they were always posted here dude, with spamming banner ads
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Xolve posted:What the Imperium needs is a newbie drive and an OP worthy of one. I don't think it is hugely Samahiel's fault, for all that the OP opens with 'Variously described as “Spreadsheets in space”, “A worst-in-class PvE experience”...' Other big groups have excited their members and sold what's happening really vigorously. That's a lot harder due to the mixed feelings a lot of people in Waffe in particular have about what they are even fighting for: fighting to stay allied to Fcon and struggling for the right not to be allowed to shoot SMA are not easy banners to rally people to. The Fireside chat last night was excruciating: it struck me as it went round and round again and again that it was perhaps an intentional attempt to filibuster his own bloc until the last of the slew of uncontested timers were discreetly out of the way. Given that there were close to a couple of hundred PL listening to it I have to wonder how many imperium were even tuned-in. The SotG - traditionally the precursor to a week of dominance for the CFC - was like a mishmash of all the stuff we saw from hostiles down through the years: not wanting regions, interceptor wulfpax and daft conspiracy theories. The results can be seen in the four aggressive recruiters: Dreddit:  Goonwaffe:  Pandemic Horde:  Karmafleet: 
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GaussianCopula posted:In this case the deciding resources are players logging into the game, which means that the strategy of the Imperium clashes with the goals of CCP, because they want less people (preferably on the side attackers side) to login each day. Except, that this is going to be the exact opposite of what's going to happen. Sit idly by and watch it burn, hell bring some marshmallows and make smores- but if you think there's a group in EVE that's suddenly going to not want to login and burn down the Imperium's castle... you're delusional.
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Why was the Imperium moniker ever adopted anyway? It was related to shilling for that lovely zombie game right?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Why was the Imperium moniker ever adopted anyway? It was related to shilling for that lovely zombie game right? brand consciousness, cant sell/market Cluster gently caress Coalition
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:brand consciousness, cant sell market Cluster gently caress Coalition Brand for what? What was there to sell?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Brand for what? What was there to sell? They had to recton the name for this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318670671/fountain-war-book/
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Tokyo Sexwhale posted:The problem with wormhole life is there exists no program that can track wormhole masses and connections accurately enough to handle a coalition of nerds, or even goonwaffe without any other nerds. Also the average goon is fat, lazy, and can't be trusted to handle the work required to properly handle connections and logistics. This is basically the same reason that some people's idea to stage mostly out of Thera fizzled out. It was a logistic nightmare for a large alliance. That said, Fury Road happened and we successfully got Sort Dragon, and a few other groups, pissed off about us using Null-Null WH connections to third party. It was great. Speaking of WHs, anyone know when that Pathfinder third party tool CCP showed off is going to be released?
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Unfunny Poster posted:This is basically the same reason that some people's idea to stage mostly out of Thera fizzled out. It was a logistic nightmare for a large alliance. That said, Fury Road happened and we successfully got Sort Dragon, and a few other groups, pissed off about us using Null-Null WH connections to third party. It was great. I don't know if CCP themselves are working with the guy for releases at all, but the github for release versions is here: https://github.com/farshield/pathfinder/releases I haven't used it myself, but I imagine since the dude won first place in whatever API challenge they had, that it's safe to use.
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GaussianCopula posted:They had to recton the name for this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318670671/fountain-war-book/ Should have just figured out an acronym that still spelled out CFC. So that's the book I've read snide remarks about. It looks like a pretty cool thing as far as dumb space nerd poo poo goes, why did it fail? And the name change predated this kickstarter by over a year.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Should have just figured out an acronym that still spelled out CFC. So that's the book I've read snide remarks about. It looks like a pretty cool thing as far as dumb space nerd poo poo goes, why did it fail? And the name change predated this kickstarter by over a year. A number of reasons, depending who you ask: -Backlash from Sion KitsuAnimePrincess's post on why r/eve isn't a 'real' community -Weird stretch goals, including partying with Mittens & Co. -Poor project management (something, something publicist making strange rewards, RMT blah blah) -Chapter previews were garbage apparently -Underwhelming Author -It was a boring war That's the short list anyway.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Just write a book about the Great War 1 and 2, that had enough exciting twists and turns and colorful characters to make a good story. Just about everyone with some sense said this at the time. Also- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMnItBzp1bw
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Haha those $1000 pledges. I can't imagine that private party in the luxury suite being anything except unfathomably awkward. Like lowtaxporn.avi level awkward.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Haha those $1000 pledges. I can't imagine that private party in the luxury suite being anything except unfathomably awkward. Like lowtaxporn.avi level awkward. My favourite was the online pizza party.
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GaussianCopula posted:They had to recton the name for this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318670671/fountain-war-book/ Speaking of the Kickstarter maybe someone could explain the steps of how CCP went from "approving of their IP use and being in a business arrangement for a Goon ran Kickstarter, as well as giving it exposure on their official communication platforms" to "CCP are picking sides and that's not fair" (as claimed by the Karmafleet head guy). Xenothral posted:I don't know if CCP themselves are working with the guy for releases at all, but the github for release versions is here: https://github.com/farshield/pathfinder/releases Thanks. I recall from their livestream CCP were partnering with the dude in some capacity to get it exposure/some sort of support though in what capacity I can't remember. It seemed like it was basically GTS but with WHs thrown in if you had access to say EVE-Scout's siggy/tripwire or whatever, which is pretty neat though I imagine most of the larger groups have a similar tool to it already. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Haha those $1000 pledges. I can't imagine that private party in the luxury suite being anything except unfathomably awkward. Like lowtaxporn.avi level awkward. Endie posted:My favourite was the online pizza party. These sound like perfectly goony pledge rewards in retrospect. Xenothral posted:I don't know if CCP themselves are working with the guy for releases at all, but the github for release versions is here: https://github.com/farshield/pathfinder/releases Apparently Holesquad is using this thing right now, and it is... barebones, but then again it is an alpha build and the first public release of the tool. orange juche fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Tokyo Sexwhale posted:These sound like perfectly goony pledge rewards in retrospect. Should have been an online, wedding-themed, KFC party in that case.
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Unfunny Poster posted:Speaking of the Kickstarter maybe someone could explain the steps of how CCP went from "approving of their IP use and being in a business arrangement for a Goon ran Kickstarter, as well as giving it exposure on their official communication platforms" to "CCP are picking sides and that's not fair" (as claimed by the Karmafleet head guy). I think largely it comes to the CSM and the 'no sions allowed' rule, which was suposed to be a blanket rule to stop any press getting into the CSM, but some how only applied to TMC
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Xolve posted:A number of reasons, depending who you ask: Yes before that, reddit was climbing over one another to hand Mittens $110 000. Sadly Sion alienated them.
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Endie posted:Should have been an online, wedding-themed, KFC party in that case. btw what's your call on CO2 ? I mean apart the spining etc, do you approve such a move? Just wondering.
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Endie posted:Should have been an online, wedding-themed, KFC party in that case. Which goon was it that got their intestines roto-rooted because they ate pretty much nothing but KFC, or ate a bad batch of KFC or something fried chicken related? Was it Vily?
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Stevefin posted:I think largely it comes to the CSM and the 'no sions allowed' rule, which was suposed to be a blanket rule to stop any press getting into the CSM, but some how only applied to TMC To be fair with the "no sions allowed" rule, sion kumitomo is a terrible person, and ranks up there with digi as both are often wrong, misguided, and lovely people to interact with. Also, both double down on insanity when you call them on some stupid poo poo.
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Zephyrine posted:Yes before that, reddit was climbing over one another to hand Mittens $110 000. Sadly Sion alienated them. I mean, if I were trying to crowd source a terrible EVE novel, I don't think insulting the largest player driven echo chamber would be on the top of my priority list. Get money. Kill nerds. Talk poo poo. Tokyo Sexwhale posted:To be fair with the "no sions allowed" rule, sion kumitomo is a terrible person, and ranks up there with digi as both are often wrong, misguided, and lovely people to interact with. I once received a wall of text digi post in this very forum, about how unimportant I am. It moved me.
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Tokyo Sexwhale posted:Which goon was it that got their intestines roto-rooted because they ate pretty much nothing but KFC, or ate a bad batch of KFC or something fried chicken related? Was it Vily? I'm probably wrong but was it not DurrHurrDurr?
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WhoNeedsAName posted:I'm probably wrong but was it not DurrHurrDurr? That was indeed DHD. Also, maybe, Remedial post-wedding?
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Denis posted:btw what's your call on CO2 ? I was amazed Gigx put up with as much as he did and for as long as he did: he's literally proud to a fault. The trap thing is fiction and everyone except a few gullible karmafleet true believers knows this, but the manner of the exit was a dumb and flamboyant gesture. They should just have extracted quietly a day or two later: that would have been more harmful to the CFC than the grandiose declaration of reset due to the example it would have set. Either the imperium would have let them go peacefully, showing others it was possible, or they would have acted spitefully, showing how they view their allies. That being said, the "we reset in four hours" thing was a reminder of how Eve was before everyone became careful and discreet diplomats. Oh, for more of that. Tokyo Sexwhale posted:Which goon was it that got their intestines roto-rooted because they ate pretty much nothing but KFC, or ate a bad batch of KFC or something fried chicken related? Was it Vily? I think that you're thinking of DurrHurrDurr. He ate two KFC double-downs, which are not something we have in the name but the name says a lot to us in the context of US cuisine. e;fb Endie fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Endie posted:I think that you're thinking of DurrHurrDurr. He ate two KFC double-downs, which are not something we have in the name but the name says a lot to us in the context of US cuisine.   Somehow, this monster isn't nearly as horrible for you as literally anything on the Carl's Jr. menu.  Yes, that's a burger smothered in cheese and bacon with fried chicken patties for bread or... a heart attack before 30. Whichever you prefer. Xolve fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Stevefin posted:I think largely it comes to the CSM and the 'no sions allowed' rule, which was suposed to be a blanket rule to stop any press getting into the CSM, but some how only applied to TMC Isn't it because TMC has had business arrangements with "competing" companies, and the new policy is only applying to those who are benefitting from that sort of contract outside of the game, eg. the ~shareholders~ at TMC, but the general writing staff are fine to run so long as they're not getting any of that contract money? I know when I brought up say a Twitch streamer running for CSM, they said that if you weren't being paid by X company, let's say Blizzard, to stream one of their games you're fine. However if you do accept a contract to stream a game on your channel, then that's where they'll say you can't do CSM stuff. Edit - In game mechanic related questions, when the new FAX carriers hit and CCP do the switcheroo for people who have triage ships fully fitted to the new carriers, does that only apply to the carriers that have the tech 2 triage modules or can I have a tech 1 triage module and the ship will be swapped out? Mekchu fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Endie posted:I was amazed Gigx put up with as much as he did and for as long as he did: he's literally proud to a fault.
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Endie posted:"we reset in four hours" 30 minutes.
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