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I got what they were getting at. The MIRI researcher being interviewed is an ai trying to learn. The interviewer essentially asks it to plot a course for a rocket to safely land on the moon. MIRI then explains that it's going to be a long time because they currently don't have the tools to figure that problem out, but they do have some ideas on how to solve smaller simpler problems that might help them understand more and more complex aspects of the larger problem. They explain this in a long-winded and obtuse manner and treat the interviewer like an idiot because they are elitist jerks.
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# ? Mar 19, 2016 23:28 |
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# ? May 17, 2024 20:56 |
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Cavelcade posted:This is a site designed to compete with fanfiction.net! AO3 already does that more and better than anything MIRI comes up with ever could.
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# ? Mar 19, 2016 23:37 |
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The problem is that a good extended metaphor will be entertaining, thereby increasing the audience. It's easy enough to understand, if you know what MIRI is, but it's a drag to read unless (I presume) you are involved in the project. So it comes off as fairly masturbatory. The same idea could have been accomplished (with respect to an outside audience) by just saying, "trying to build a functional ai without laying the proper groundwork is like trying to plot a course for the moon before understanding the movement of celestial bodies."
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 02:32 |
I'd chalk it down to failing at propaganda.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 08:53 |
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Chapter 18: Dominance Hierarchies Part Four quote:
Eliezarry didn’t have to “do anything” about it. All he had to do was keep his head down and his mouth shut, liked he’d said he would. quote:
Isn’t this “post facto rationalisation”, one of the more obvious logical fallacies which Eliezarry, prodigal child rationalist that he is, should have been able to recognise and reject? quote:
A “night sky without stars” might still have a bright full moon and therefore wouldn’t necessarily appear to be empty. quote:
This isn’t even within the bounds of “justifiable self-defence”, this is going out of one’s way to provoke an angry venomous bear.
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# ? Mar 21, 2016 09:58 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:I got what they were getting at. The MIRI researcher being interviewed is an ai trying to learn. The interviewer essentially asks it to plot a course for a rocket to safely land on the moon. MIRI then explains that it's going to be a long time because they currently don't have the tools to figure that problem out, but they do have some ideas on how to solve smaller simpler problems that might help them understand more and more complex aspects of the larger problem. They explain this in a long-winded and obtuse manner and treat the interviewer like an idiot because they are elitist jerks. Nah, Big Yud believes that the hard parts of anything are 1) finding the right questions to ask, and 2) having a superior The problem that leaps out with this is that Yud's avatar in the piece is made so transparently more knowledgable and correct than the other guy that the nature of the propaganda becomes hammer to the forehead obvious. Yud is able to look up rocketry on wikipedia, or read a book about it from someone actually knowledgable, there's no advantage like that for his AI "research." It also should be repeated that Yud doesn't actually have a grasp on any of the fields that he claims to know about, his knowledge of physics is about on the level of a lower division college course, his knowledge of mathematics is about the same, and I don't think that he's got any claim to a skill with computer science that could even equal a recent college graduate. Yud's whole deal is telling people that they can be smarter than everyone around them, and all they have to do is follow this one weird trick. He weaves them a grand tale of how they'd be able to produce all of current knowledge in months, that they'll be more like the successful and the wealthy, and that they won't even have to work hard to do it. He reinforces this by delving briefly into a topic that is "known" to be difficult, issuing a pompous pronouncement that something is obviously the correct way of doing things and backing it up with a spurious and facile argument. That gets people feeling like they have some kind of secret knowledge that separates them from their peers, and that Yud is some pasty autistic guru dispensing wisdom. Seriously, this is a man that believes that a future computer will be able to simulate itself an arbitrary amount of time in the future with perfect accuracy. Something that, even if his math was sound or he could show his work to any degree, is invalid on first principles as long as the second law of thermodynamics holds. I mean poo poo, you can't even simulate the position of a driven pendulum perfectly an arbitrary amount of time in the future. But then if Yud is going to ignore thermodynamics it isn't surprising that he'll ignore chaotic behavior too. Yud desperately wants to live in a world where being a shut in nerd with no education or training can still let you be God, or at least a superhero, if only you think gud enough.
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# ? Mar 21, 2016 13:14 |
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Don't forget he believes we'll find a way around thermodynamics solely because he really, really wants to believe he'll be immortal.
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# ? Mar 21, 2016 16:12 |
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Night10194 posted:Don't forget he believes we'll find a way around thermodynamics solely because he really, really wants to
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# ? Mar 21, 2016 16:27 |
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I thought it was his brother who died suddenly and tragically and probably gave him his thanatophobia? I can't help but pity the guy often. I make fun of his terrible ideas and I hate that he cons people out of their money, but it's got to be a sad life to be so terribly, terribly afraid of death at all moments.
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# ? Mar 21, 2016 16:35 |
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Night10194 posted:I can't help but pity the guy often. I make fun of his terrible ideas and I hate that he cons people out of their money, but it's got to be a sad life to be so terribly, terribly afraid of death at all moments. Don't know if it was intentional, but this is pretty much word for word Dumbledore's attitude toward Voldemort in the actual books. Given a certain plot twist that happens later in the story involving his self insert, this is oddly poetic.
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# ? Mar 21, 2016 16:47 |
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Zonekeeper posted:Don't know if it was intentional, but this is pretty much word for word Dumbledore's attitude toward Voldemort in the actual books. I stopped at like book 4 so it's not intentional, but that's hilarious.
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# ? Mar 21, 2016 16:53 |
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akulanization posted:- snip - Yud actually seems more on par with an enthusiastic first year CS student.
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# ? Mar 21, 2016 18:20 |
Pavlov posted:Yud actually seems more on par with an enthusiastic first year CS student. Yud is the first year CS student who thinks he's better than everyone else because he made a few beginner level programs in high school after borrowing his older brother's textbooks.
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# ? Mar 22, 2016 04:02 |
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Remember that nobody has ever solved a NP-hard problem, it's impossible.
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# ? Mar 22, 2016 07:13 |
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Chapter 18: Dominance Hierarchies Part Five quote:
Severus asked for a “bezoar”, not a “trichnobezoar”. And why is he citing a “Muggle” textbook in response to a “wizarding” question? quote:
Isn’t that Eliezer’s shtick in his own “non-fiction” writings? quote:
Perhaps Eliezarry should just try following his seniors’ and friends’ advice to “keep his head down”, as he promised them he would.
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# ? Mar 22, 2016 08:12 |
Tunicate posted:Remember that nobody has ever solved a NP-hard problem, it's impossible. "Man, that's like, 2 whole cities I've gotta work with? Can't you just assume I've solved it, while I work on the problem of how to get rid of entropy. It just seems like that's the main problem we have right now and no-one else is working on it!." JosephWongKS posted:Perhaps Eliezarry should just try following his seniors’ and friends’ advice to “keep his head down”, as he promised them he would. Keeping your word is for lesser mortals.
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# ? Mar 22, 2016 10:44 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:I got what they were getting at. The MIRI researcher being interviewed is an ai trying to learn. The interviewer essentially asks it to plot a course for a rocket to safely land on the moon. MIRI then explains that it's going to be a long time because they currently don't have the tools to figure that problem out, but they do have some ideas on how to solve smaller simpler problems that might help them understand more and more complex aspects of the larger problem. They explain this in a long-winded and obtuse manner and treat the interviewer like an idiot because they are elitist jerks. Meanwhile we put a man on the loving moon while still at a stage were Katherine Johnson was checking the trajectories by hand. Because one incredibly smart woman can just flatly calculate their 'impossible' problem with her brain. These idiots make me furious with how little they know about the things they think they know.
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# ? Mar 25, 2016 08:13 |
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Liquid Communism posted:Meanwhile we put a man on the loving moon while still at a stage were Katherine Johnson was checking the trajectories by hand. Because one incredibly smart woman can just flatly calculate their 'impossible' problem with her brain. These idiots make me furious with how little they know about the things they think they know. Well, admittedly, trying to get a machine to essentially do that by starting from scratch and learning on its own is their goal. To me that sounds like a great way for an AI to develop all sorts of unsound theories using only itself.
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# ? Mar 27, 2016 15:00 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:Well, admittedly, trying to get a machine to essentially do that by starting from scratch and learning on its own is their goal. To me that sounds like a great way for an AI to develop all sorts of unsound theories using only itself. it's obvious we get the superintelligent AI and distract it with fascinating ideas that provably stop it from getting anything accomplished. So the first thing we do is feed it the entire text of the Sequences,
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# ? Mar 27, 2016 18:22 |
Liquid Communism posted:Meanwhile we put a man on the loving moon while still at a stage were Katherine Johnson was checking the trajectories by hand. Because one incredibly smart woman can just flatly calculate their 'impossible' problem with her brain. These idiots make me furious with how little they know about the things they think they know.
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# ? Mar 28, 2016 05:17 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:Well, admittedly, trying to get a machine to essentially do that by starting from scratch and learning on its own is their goal. To me that sounds like a great way for an AI to develop all sorts of unsound theories using only itself. I mean, if you just feed it data, it seems to do okay. http://www.wired.com/2009/04/newtonai/ http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-06/05/computer-develops-scientific-theory-independently
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# ? Mar 28, 2016 08:36 |
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LowellDND posted:I mean, if you just feed it data, it seems to do okay. Man did you choose the wrong week to make this post.
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# ? Mar 28, 2016 15:49 |
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^ That seems like a basis for a good story.
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# ? Mar 28, 2016 17:59 |
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Xander77 posted:^ That seems like a basis for a good story. I Was A Teenage Neo-Nazi AI Heck, I'd read it.
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# ? Mar 30, 2016 04:27 |
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So in other news, yudkowsky is trying to write an anime.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 20:14 |
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Monocled Falcon posted:So in other news, yudkowsky is trying to write an anime. It's being written by committee, that alone dooms it.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 20:25 |
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Monocled Falcon posted:So in other news, yudkowsky is trying to write an anime. * Rational * Anime * Together That's a very promising URL. Edit: Toyori starts to take off her shirt. Prince Kunuba: "What are you doing, onee-sama!?" Toyori reveals her first under-layer of clothing as people gasp and turn away, or stare. Toyori: "I'm going to summon an incubus and subdue him. I guess people can watch if they want." He's also trying to auction the second protagonist's name. 90s Cringe Rock fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Apr 3, 2016 |
# ? Apr 3, 2016 20:33 |
As in all anime, there will be characters whose only purpose is to sit on the sidelines and shout about the properties of the main character's techniques for the audience's benefit. However, unlike other anime, these characters will excitedly overdescribe mundane moments in the protagonist's life using copious amounts of terminology from the Sequences to convey to the audience how the protagonist is successfully implementing rationalist thought.
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# ? Apr 3, 2016 20:43 |
quote:Toyori: "But you find customers for them, and lend them your business's good name and reputation! Of course you can capture a higher fraction of their revenue!" "I, I studied a little about merchant negotiations…unfortunately they left out step 1 which is that once you break your act, it becomes really obvious that you're putting on act." quote:As a third cue for brainstorming, pretend that I do have it all planned out and speculate on what you can figure out of the whole plot just from what you've seen in Episode 01. It's a closely related mental motion. I like that he's asking people to plot out his anime for him so that he can then claim it's exactly what he had planned out from the start. Just according to keikaku. Jazerus posted:As in all anime, there will be characters whose only purpose is to sit on the sidelines and shout about the properties of the main character's techniques for the audience's benefit. However, unlike other anime, these characters will excitedly overdescribe mundane moments in the protagonist's life using copious amounts of terminology from the Sequences to convey to the audience how the protagonist is successfully implementing rationalist thought. "Don't believe in the heart of the friendships, Main-character-sama! The heart is an organ, common in many types of animal which is used to pump blood. Since friendships don't even have blood, they wouldn't require a heart. Instead believe in the Bayesutsukai teachings which we will use to optimise the probability of you winning in this socialising activity." I do like that the top comment is calling him out for making it an anime. Edit: And a little further down: EY posted:I'm actually a little tired of not being able to profit from my writing work; it's constraining. I've given away a lot already and would like to keep some. I guess his retainer from MIRI just doesn't cover the bills. It's tough, y'know? He don't get no respect, I tells ya. Cavelcade fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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# ? Apr 4, 2016 09:28 |
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Chapter 18: Dominance Hierarchies Part Six quote:
What’s the value of all this speechifying? If Eliezarry is so confident that he can remove Severus from Hogwarts, why not just do it instead of telling Severus his plans in advance and allowing Severus to take counter-actions? quote:
Eliezarry claims to have read a lot, but clearly he hasn’t read The Art of War or any book on strategy. Strike without warning – that’s the key to success in every offensive action.
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# ? Apr 5, 2016 03:58 |
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Some fanfics try to make people like Snape by giving him sexy (but still greasy) hair, tight leather trousers, and no shirt. Turns out you can just put him in a room with Big Yud and he'll get way more sympathetic.
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# ? Apr 5, 2016 07:15 |
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If you're into HP fic and you want a Harrymort who sucks less, there's a nice crackfic called Seventh Horcrux (that's the index page) which is a moment's amusement.
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# ? Apr 5, 2016 11:16 |
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divabot posted:If you're into HP fic and you want a Harrymort who sucks less, there's a nice crackfic called Seventh Horcrux (that's the index page) which is a moment's amusement. quote:Draco Malfoy wandered outside of the DADA classroom, a thoughtful and solitary figure. As he passed a dusty side-corridor, no doubt created during the castle’s recent shuffling, I muttered, “Accio Malfoy.” Okay, yeah, this might be worth checking out. edit: 10/10, this is hilarious Loel fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Apr 5, 2016 |
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divabot posted:If you're into HP fic and you want a Harrymort who sucks less, there's a nice crackfic called Seventh Horcrux (that's the index page) which is a moment's amusement. quote:Hermione pouted. “So, that means we don’t need to brew an illegal potion with stolen ingredients, knock out three of our classmates, tie them up in a closet, sneak into the Slytherin Common Room, and interrogate Malfoy?” Yes. This will do.
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# ? Apr 6, 2016 07:11 |
That scene would have been way more effective if Harry spoke like a normal eleven year old and didn't over explain himself.
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# ? Apr 6, 2016 08:33 |
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That whole scene is just incredibly frustrating because it should be followed by the kid who's completely new to wizarding politics and Hogwards politics in general getting his rear end handed to him if he tries to play against an old hand like Severus... and you know Yud's not going to let that happen.
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# ? Apr 6, 2016 08:55 |
I think you could also play it as a pause as all the wizarding kids sort of go "Wait a minute, this guy's a massive prick who's endangered generations!" and it damages Snape's mystique, but that requires things like writing.
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# ? Apr 6, 2016 09:17 |
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divabot posted:If you're into HP fic and you want a Harrymort who sucks less, there's a nice crackfic called Seventh Horcrux (that's the index page) which is a moment's amusement. That was definitely worth the hour or two it took to read. A good fanfic.
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# ? Apr 6, 2016 10:28 |
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cptn_dr posted:That was definitely worth the hour or two it took to read. A good fanfic. I liked it because it's short, it's amusing, it's got a good idea and it's effective literary comment, hence satire, on the original work. That is, the thing Yudkowsky just failed to do in the chapter under discussion. Turning a fictional chapter into a nerd power fantasy of implausible political acumen is not effective literary comment.
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# ? Apr 6, 2016 16:34 |
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# ? May 17, 2024 20:56 |
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cptn_dr posted:That was definitely worth the hour or two it took to read. A good fanfic. You spent just an hour or two? Man, I'm a slow reader then.
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# ? Apr 7, 2016 16:34 |