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Drythe posted:am i under space arrest? I thought you were space judge "THE PRISONER WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION"
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dragonstalking posted:I mean if you listen to Grath, his beef is more that these guys were consistently doing stupid poo poo, not that they lost isk. Odd that it never became important enough for Grath to lose his poo poo all over them until they lost ISK and made the K:D ratio look bad though 
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Percelus posted:To give everyone an idea of what the relationship is like between Pandemic Horde and Pandemic Legion, here is a snippet of their eve-o recruitment post https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=419055 Are the CFC the only ones allowed to have newbie groups then? Us elitePVP can't do it because we automatically exploit the free labour of hapless noobs? Please. There's a reason we (PL) don't go out of our way to defend Horde sov, and that's because hardship builds character. Yes it's cliche and silly as gently caress to say this about a videogame, or anything really, but Horde has had at least 3 separate sovnull homes, and has either been driven out or hilariously rused the hegemony of the day, but at the end of it all, Horde members get to experience the pros (and cons) of sovnull without turning out like all of you bloated and useless wastes of virtual space. Horde members who join in a sovnull phase are regularly told to - and regularly experience - expect to lose the space they are currently living in, and act accordingly. They're perfectly free to ignore the warnings, but the ones who are smart and realize what Horde is all about are the ones who are set up for success, and the ones most likely to fit into Waffles or PL proper by virtue of Getting It. Also Horde's at like 5500 members or something ridiculous Gobbins and the team must be doing something right
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Daruna posted:Are the CFC the only ones allowed to have newbie groups then? Us elitePVP can't do it because we automatically exploit the free labour of hapless noobs? Percelus is a retard and doesn't speak on behalf of sensible goons. Just wanted to make that clear.
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Apr 5, 2016 15:05
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vyst posted:PL is elitist/classist, PH is not. That's literally the bottom line. GSF doesn't have that separation between GoonWaffe/KarmaFleet. PL isn't that hard to get into, odds are most people older than 2-3 years in eve know at least one friend that lives there now that would throw a vouch. I mean provided you do more than just sit in dek ratting and your kb is more than just a long string of ishtar losses.
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6100 they've added like 1000 members in the last ten days
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Apr 5, 2016 15:06
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Endie posted:I thought you were space judge "THE PRISONER WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION" You were under space arrest??? Space bail is set at 10 billion isk
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Apr 5, 2016 15:07
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vyst posted:Percelus is a retard and doesn't speak on behalf of sensible goons. Just wanted to make that clear. I explained that to people who were asking "who the gently caress is the Percelus dummy?" on irc. I had to do the same about Zephyrine a couple of days ago.
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Percelus posted:Did I forget to mention Sniggwaffe? There is a middle child to this family, they're more of a farm team for Pandemic Legion. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=266074 did I bite on this retarded troll 
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Apr 5, 2016 15:07
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Drythe posted:You were under space arrest??? You can't do that to me I'm appealing.
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Rhymenoserous posted:PL isn't that hard to get into, odds are most people older than 2-3 years in eve know at least one friend that lives there now that would throw a vouch. The vouch system is by nature elitist you butte.
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Endie posted:You can't do that to me I'm appealing. space overruled
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Daruna posted:Are the CFC the only ones allowed to have newbie groups then? Us elitePVP can't do it because we automatically exploit the free labour of hapless noobs? The difference is our newbie friendly groups are treated as equal members. They can fly in mainfleet, join any sig, and generally live life like a goon. The only thing different for them is the paplink requirement, but which group doesn't purge inactives.
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Apr 5, 2016 15:10
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vyst posted:Percelus is a retard and doesn't speak on behalf of sensible goons. Just wanted to make that clear. Are they retarded in the sense that they think they're being ~master trolls~, or retarded in the sense that they actually believe the sperg poo poo they're posting? Endie posted:I explained that to people who were asking "who the gently caress is the Percelus dummy?" on irc. I had to do the same about Zephyrine a couple of days ago. Zephyrine is a cool person. I forget which other lovely MMO it was but they were chill in the Goon guild for it.
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Unfunny Poster posted:Are they retarded in the sense that they think they're being ~master trolls~, or retarded in the sense that they actually believe the sperg poo poo they're posting? Yes.
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vyst posted:The vouch system is by nature elitist you butte. In the same way it was when goonfleet was "SA posts or get a vouch", sure. It doesn't necessarily guarantee anything about quality. It's largely about trust and whether you will constantly start drama.
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Percelus posted:The difference is our newbie friendly groups are treated as equal members. They can fly in mainfleet, join any sig, and generally live life like a goon. The only thing different for them is the paplink requirement, but which group doesn't purge inactives. I dunno, I was inactive for over a year in waffe and never got purged
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Percelus posted:The difference is our newbie friendly groups are treated as equal members. They can fly in mainfleet, join any sig, and generally live life like a goon. The only thing different for them is the paplink requirement, but which group doesn't purge inactives. Casuals and newbies (you know, the main demographic of Horde and arguably of any free, open-recruitment newbie-centric group) can't exactly use Rattlesnakes or Black Ops or T3HACS or whatever else we use. There's also the security concern of having Literally Anyone joining our comms and relaying information to you people. We KINDA take security a little seriously, it's our thing. This "feudal" thing you're harping on about only seems to be an issue to you and yours. Horde doesn't give a poo poo, mainly because they do their own thing on their own time. To say we don't care about them is hilarious and dumb. You're dumb. Stop it.
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Endie posted:In the same way it was when goonfleet was "SA posts or get a vouch", sure. It doesn't necessarily guarantee anything about quality. It's largely about trust and whether you will constantly start drama. I disagree. The SA posts requirement was to halt the ability to people to pay 10bux and immediately join. Anyone that says otherwise is fooling themselves. It's basically an effort gate. It's not the same as "having to know someone" to join a spaceguild. I don't consider effort gating to be elitism as you have no social barriers to entry. I ran the auth team for 3 years. Do you honestly think I analyzed all 100+ posts people did? I checked the count, and if they shotgun shitposted. That's it. I'm not saying what PL does is wrong. They have Sniggwaffe to some extent and PH for their newbies. But it's still a form of elitism all the same. There's also an argument to be made that PL has found a lot of it's success via their recruitment strategy. The quintessential quality vs quantity scenario.
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Daruna posted:Are the CFC the only ones allowed to have newbie groups then? Us elitePVP can't do it because we automatically exploit the free labour of hapless noobs? Hypothetical - If PL had a bunch of csaas reinforced, would they call in PH to defend them; and If PH had a bunch of csaas under siege, would PL come defend them.
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vyst posted:The vouch system is by nature elitist you butte. Maybe back in 2007, but now at least here in Sniggerdly the vouch system is there to prevent assholes from getting in. Eve isn't nearly as complex as it was back then (if it ever was that complex) and sadly numbers rule the day. Our vouching is less about "are you good at Eve Online??" and more about "are you a cool guy? Are you not a human being? Will you fit in here?" Our application form reflects this attitude by not having a single Eve mechanics question on it.
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Apr 5, 2016 15:17
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Daruna posted:did I bite on this retarded troll I'm not sure it's a troll, that level of butthurt comes only from clear conviction in the righteousness of one's cause. vyst posted:PL is elitist/classist, PH is not. That's literally the bottom line. GSF doesn't have that separation between GoonWaffe/KarmaFleet. This is actually one of the big reasons I went with Goonwaffe over PH (I wasn't going to just default to GSF because I am a goonygoon).
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Percelus posted:Hypothetical - If PL had a bunch of csaas reinforced, would they call in PH to defend them; and If PH had a bunch of csaas under siege, would PL come defend them. Why the gently caress would Horde, a newbie alliance who doesn't ever go above Battleship size (if they even get to Battleships), have loving CSAAs? Why the gently caress would PL have CSAAs? Anyone who builds supers does it on their own, presumably in a renter alliance or some poo poo god shut up you're stupid
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vyst posted:I disagree. The SA posts requirement was to halt the ability to people to pay 10bux and immediately join. Anyone that says otherwise is fooling themselves. It's basically an effort gate. It's not the same as "having to know someone" to join a spaceguild. I don't consider effort gating to be elitism as you have no social barriers to entry. I ran the auth team for 3 years. Do you honestly think I analyzed all 100+ posts people did? I checked the count, and if they shotgun shitposted. That's it. No, I wasn't talking about the normal way in: I was talking about the fact that there was always the vouch alternative, which is what you were talking about explicitly.
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Endie posted:No, I wasn't talking about the normal way in: I was talking about the fact that there was always the vouch alternative, which is what you were talking about explicitly. Right but it was an alternative. It was a fast track mechanism. It wasn't the primary way of getting in.
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vyst posted:I disagree. The SA posts requirement was to halt the ability to people to pay 10bux and immediately join. Anyone that says otherwise is fooling themselves. It's basically an effort gate. It's not the same as "having to know someone" to join a spaceguild. I don't consider effort gating to be elitism as you have no social barriers to entry. I ran the auth team for 3 years. Do you honestly think I analyzed all 100+ posts people did? I checked the count, and if they shotgun shitposted. That's it. This is different from what I said how?
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Nerds, including goons, will always be elitist about something "Lol you fly with SMA" "Lol you post on Reddit" "Lol you post in the anime forums"
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Morris posted:This is actually one of the big reasons I went with Goonwaffe over PH (I wasn't going to just default to GSF because I am a goonygoon). Yeah I can see the issue with some people viewing Horde as a "second tier" crew but in general that's just now how the relationship works out in practice. Lots of the PL guys like and hang out with the Horde guys but there's barriers in place to protect stuff for both groups because EVE is a game where if you're not careful you can get hosed. It's why a newbie in GSF won't be given POS passwords or supercap fleet pings, or whatever on their first day. Granted PL/PH do it differently but that's just a matter of GSF & PanFam having different methods to approach the same issue. Ultimately who loving cares? It's a video game and if both Horde newbies are having fun and GSF newbies are having fun then both groups are doing a good job at what their trying to do.
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Tusen Takk posted:Nerds, including goons, will always be elitist about something anime is good thx
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Siets posted:Hey is this nonsciolist? I think I may have asked you about it in jabber one time. I guess it mostly makes sense to me now, I'm just a little fuzzy on the initial "where do I choose to set up shop?" constellation/faction picking part. Yeah, that's me. The blitzable L5s will never spawn outside the agent's constellation and always in lowsec. Agent system sec status affects payout (I think it's something like 10% less per 0.1 but i don't know exactly.) Lower sec=better. There is some voodoo regarding certain missions being more likely to spawn in certain systems) but it doesn't factor into how you set up. You'll just notice a patterns you can't really take advantage of after a while. I picked placid because at the time there was no fatigue and I could blops between fd- and missions and moving is too much effort now. Basically just consider how hot the system is and your travel time between missions. Personally I'd never set up somewhere with more than two jumps between agent and furthest mission system, preferably one jump max if you want to scale it up to a couple of carrier guys and a handful of standing alts.
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Unfunny Poster posted:Yeah I can see the issue with some people viewing Horde as a "second tier" crew but in general that's just now how the relationship works out. Lots of the PL guys like and hang out with the Horde guys but there's barriers in place to protect stuff because EVE is a game where if you're not careful you can get hosed. It's why a newbie in GSF won't be given POS passwords or supercap fleet ping access on day one. Granted PL/PH do it differently but that's just a matter of both groups figuring out what they think is the better method to approach the same issue. It's possible to not care and still discuss it and compare it against alternatives ITT.
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considering how much pubbies jerk off to the prospect of getting in pl Im not faulting them for for putting up barriers to entry. they exist to keep out the straight from highsec publords, the permanently unteachable and toxic shitlers. over in gsf these people just join karmafleet and everyone gets to deal with clay hakaari
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Daruna posted:Maybe back in 2007, but now at least here in Sniggerdly the vouch system is there to prevent assholes from getting in. Yeah In the last couple of weeks I've had about 12 or 14 really good Eve players (judging by their kbs and in some cases what I know of them) approach me who didn't have vouches, and whom I had to advise not to apply. If PL recruited on just ability criteria then they'd mostly be in. But they didn't have vouches, so a couple of them were probably spies, maybe another couple would have been prone to starting poo poo in alliance irc or sulking when someone shouted at them for anchoring on the FC in an inty or something like that. The vouch isn't "hey this guy is good at eve" it is "hey this guy is good company and won't make movie night a misery."
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scots have always had the option of subjugating themselves to the british throne, i don't see why a minority of them are upset that's their only option
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vyst posted:It's possible to not care and still discuss it and compare it against alternatives ITT. Indeed. If we are reduced only to discussing things we actually care about then this will go back to being all angry and stuff and devolve into who is losing faster. The theoretical stuff we can agree to differ on is the glue that keeps the thread bearable.
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pugnax posted:What are formup times like in the cfc these days? the who
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Glory of Arioch posted:the who those bee guys (from eve online)
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Is eve fest still held in Ísland or dos they move it to Vegas? I just remembered that Spankys got on the H1Z1 mumble one night and was fuckin turnt up and talking about how great Vegas is
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