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Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

Why are we looking for signs of coherent strategy in the ALP? Post Julia Gillard there have been sod all signs of any/one. It will take the worst government in the history of this nation since the invasion for the ALP to return to minority government. It has been repeatedly noted that this thread delivers better quality strategy advice for the ALP than the entire ALP apparatus. That makes party hacks, like the eternally butt hurt EvilEmo, all the more pathetic for ragging on the people who actually have a clue what's going wrong. I'm not talking about the advocating of the wholesale adoption of Greens policies by the ALP, this is the simple day to day poo poo that the ALP appear to remain utterly clueless about.

Failed YL? That's a complete tautology. What's the standard for a pass btw? Oh sorry I forgot incoherence is the new Red in the ALP.

Want to listen to the sound of failure?

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/christopher-pyne-talks-steel-and-submarines/7302734

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Christopher Pyne talks steel and submarines Wednesday 6 April 2016 7:36AM (view full episode)

Troubled miner and steel maker Arrium, struggling under heavy debt, remains under threat of moving into voluntary administration, with hundreds if not thousands of jobs hanging in the balance. Scores of people marched through the South Australian town of Whyalla yesterday, highlighting the perilous state of the South Australian steel industry and the possible job implications. The Minister for Industry, Innovation and Science, Christopher Pyne joins Fran Kelly on RN Breakfast.

Now here's a sticky conundrum. The industry has already illegally implemented the penalty rate system they are advocating. Should we cave and make it all OK or prosecute the loving criminals until there is never a possibility of them doing it again? Replace business with bike gang if you want to get a better answer.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/business-push-for-a-cut-to-sunday-penalty-rates/7302770

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Business push for a cut to Sunday penalty rates, but experts say many are not complying anyway Wednesday 6 April 2016 7:51AM (view full episode)

The Fair Work Commission is currently looking at calls to create a single penalty rate for weekends, with its report due as early as July�just in time for the federal election. It follows a recommendation from the Productivity Commission in December that hospitality and retail workers be subject to one weekend penalty rate�a move that would effectively see the elimination of double time rates on Sundays and public holidays. But experts say that many small businesses are already refusing to pay weekend penalty rates, with non compliance most rampant in the hospitality and retail sectors.

Poop will eat itself.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-06/backbench-disquiet-over-turnbull-polls/7302532

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Backbencher Michelle Landry criticises Government's "wishy-washy" performance By political reporters Matthew Doran and Stephanie Anderson Updated about an hour ago

Michelle Landry critical of "wishy washy" government

Coalition backbencher Michelle Landry has described the Government's efforts at selling its agenda as "wishy-washy" in the wake of a number of setbacks for the Prime Minister's team. The Nationals member for Capricornia said the Government needed to focus following the state and territory rejection of Malcolm Turnbull's income tax plan. Her comments also follow a drop in polling, with the Coalition falling behind Labor on a two-party preferred basis for the first time since Mr Turnbull became leader. Ms Landry told the ABC the Government needed to "buckle down" and focus on getting its message through. "I think it is coming across to the public that we are a little bit wishy-washy," she said. "There are a lot of positives there with what we want to do with the innovation and we've had some great success, but it seems to be getting lost."

Ms Landry also cited the influence of the 24-hour news cycle in the Government struggling to get its policies across. "We've got to get out there, promote our policies," she said. "I would hate to see us lose, yes, because we're off message or something like that." Ms Landry said the economy should remain the focus following the "wake-up call" of Tuesday's Newspoll.

Honeymoon over for PM, says Andrews

Dumped Abbott government minister Kevin Andrews also voiced concern over the latest polling, suggesting the honeymoon was finished for Mr Turnbull. "Polls go up and down � when any new leader comes in there's a honeymoon period," Mr Andrews said. "Obviously Mr Turnbull has had a honeymoon period but now as we get closer to an election Australians want to concentrate on the choice between Mr Turnbull and Mr Shorten." Mr Andrews, who made the comments while completing the annual Pollie Pedal fundraiser alongside Tony Abbott, made headlines earlier this week for indicating he would be prepared to serve as prime minister. He later said he was taken out of context.

I had prayed to the Gods of Chaos that some poo poo would happen outside the huffing hot house of the LNP party room and lo I have been rewarded!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-06/lewis-liberals-and-the-panama-papers/7302494

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The Panama Papers couldn't come at a worse time for the Coalition OPINION By Peter Lewis Updated about an hour ago

The avoidance of tax by corporate executives and the very rich is the last thing the Turnbull Government needs as it prepares for a federal budget that is likely to be anchored by a cut in the company tax rate, writes Peter Lewis. This week's Panama Papers data dump of one law firm's contribution to the global sport of tax avoidance looms as a wild card in the federal election. The 2.6 terabytes of data implicating world leaders, major corporations and an estimated 800 high net worth Australians will generate a steady stream of revelations and possible prosecutions over the coming months. The avoidance of tax by corporate executives and the very rich is the last thing the Turnbull Government needs as it prepares for a federal budget that is likely to be anchored by a cut in the company tax rate. As I argued last week, the Turnbull Government's mishandling of its tax conversation was already pushing it into a corner where it is seen as governing for the top end of town rather than the broader public.

Not only will the PM likely enter a campaign justifying a tax cut while attacking Labor for tightening negative gearing concessions and paring back superannuation benefits for high income earners. But he will also now be called to explain why the Government has failed to act on homegrown tax avoidance and minimisation that sees a third of Australia's top companies paying no tax. Meanwhile, his Government might be justifying reduced spending on health and education on the grounds that we do not have the money to meet public expectations. If it was an election fought purely on competence, the incumbents would be in trouble. But findings in this week's Essential Report point to a more existential challenge for a Liberal Party currently in an arm wrestle between its conservative and small-l Liberal traditions. We asked respondents to nominate which groups of society would be better off under a Liberal Government. The list is short and reads a little like the profile of the Mossack Fonseca client list. The common thread running through these groups is that these are not the people likely to be benefiting from the tax policies and non-policies of the current Government. And then there is what seems to be a growing array of groups that people see as being part of the Labor heartland, otherwise know as everyone else. With the parties locked at 50-50 in two-party preferred polls the risk for the Coalition is that after two years of Abbott and a muddled six months of Turnbull their constituency is shrinking before their eyes. And after decades of falling victim to shrewd Coalition wedge attacks on everything from immigration to climate change, Labor has a chance to unify as a coalition those without the wit or will to beat the taxman.

The article linked has a table of poll results which is what Lewis is basing this off. I think it's all a richly entertaining train wreck. Something Lewis doesn't mention is that often in a choice of ALP, LNP, Makes no difference and Don't know. A fighteningly large number of times the answer was 'Makes no difference'.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-05/rosewarne-a-bake-sale-sparks-rape-threats/7300172

tl;dr She who bakes must expect to be raped it's the natural order of things.

And for those who need a dose of schadenfreude/instant karma:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-05/mother-regrets-decision-to-reject-whooping-cough-vaccine/7301836

# ? Apr 6, 2016 01:29

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# ? May 24, 2024 19:56

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Cartoon posted:

And for those who need a dose of schadenfreude/instant karma:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-05/mother-regrets-decision-to-reject-whooping-cough-vaccine/7301836

No, this is simply tragic. Failures to inform/stamp out antivax poo poo leads to terrible situations like this one. It's not like she was travelling the world promoting antivax, she was just woefully misinformed.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 01:45

Knorth: Aug 19, 2014; Buglord

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"[But] even me, the bulletproof lady who has never been to a doctor, travelled the world and felt healthy got whooping cough," she said.

hooman posted:

No, this is simply tragic. Failures to inform/stamp out antivax poo poo leads to terrible situations like this one. It's not like she was travelling the world promoting antivax, she was just woefully misinformed.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 01:51

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

hooman posted:

No, this is simply tragic. Failures to inform/stamp out antivax poo poo leads to terrible situations like this one. It's not like she was travelling the world promoting antivax, she was just woefully misinformed.

Just because the article didn't mention her previous advocacy doesn't mean she wasn't rabid. But in lieu of actual evidence I must concede.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 01:55

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Quality writing at the Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/06/he-says-hes-progressive-but-is-he-really-a-brogressive

# ? Apr 6, 2016 02:23

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Cartoon posted:

And for those who need a dose of schadenfreude/instant karma:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-05/mother-regrets-decision-to-reject-whooping-cough-vaccine/7301836

Hardly schadenfreude when the baby did nothing to deserve it.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 02:33

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

open24hours posted:

Quality writing at the Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/06/he-says-hes-progressive-but-is-he-really-a-brogressive

I'd prefer if people just stopped talking about Mark Latham.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 02:34

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

Quality writing at the Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/06/he-says-hes-progressive-but-is-he-really-a-brogressive

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"Cede structural power"....

The problem with ceding power is you leave a power vacuum. I can't think of too many examples in modern history or global geopolitics where ceding power has resulted in a stronger society.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 02:35

The Divine Orator: Dec 31, 2008; Getter into the Future, Ryouma-Chan~

Sorry for the drive-by condemnation post last night, the rest of the page proved how wrong it was. I know from personal experience how good Auspol actually is on this stuff, so it was really just a petty response to some relatively mild shitposts

# ? Apr 6, 2016 02:49

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

The Divine Orator posted:

Sorry for the drive-by condemnation post last night, the rest of the page proved how wrong it was. I know from personal experience how good Auspol actually is on this stuff, so it was really just a petty response to some relatively mild shitposts

It's okay, this forum is full of cis admins so sometimes it's hard

# ? Apr 6, 2016 03:04

Futuresight: Oct 11, 2012; IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

Making words with 'bro-' in front of them is real dumb. People should stop doing it.

Actually let's expand that to the word bro and all derivatives of it.

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Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/hiv-acrobat-godfrey-zaburoni-wins-appeal-20160406-gnzgk3.html

This is a poor decision in regards to citing mens rea as the overruling theorem to harm caused. Sexual disease is an area where laws need to catch up before the epidemic continues (STI rates rising dramatically and safe sex rates dropping).

# ? Apr 6, 2016 03:30

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Higsian posted:

Making words with 'bro-' in front of them is real dumb. People should stop doing it.

Actually let's expand that to the word bro and all derivatives of it.

Bro-gate

# ? Apr 6, 2016 03:31

EvilElmo: May 10, 2009

Cartoon posted:

Why are we looking for signs of coherent strategy in the ALP? Post Julia Gillard there have been sod all signs of any/one. It will take the worst government in the history of this nation since the invasion for the ALP to return to minority government. It has been repeatedly noted that this thread delivers better quality strategy advice for the ALP than the entire ALP apparatus. That makes party hacks, like the eternally butt hurt EvilEmo, all the more pathetic for ragging on the people who actually have a clue what's going wrong. I'm not talking about the advocating of the wholesale adoption of Greens policies by the ALP, this is the simple day to day poo poo that the ALP appear to remain utterly clueless about.

Failed YL? That's a complete tautology. What's the standard for a pass btw? Oh sorry I forgot incoherence is the new Red in the ALP.

Blah blah. Greens policy best policy.

Shame only 8-12% of the population, mostly concentrated in a few seats agree with you.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 03:42

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Do you hassle people for liking music that isn't charting in the top ten too?

# ? Apr 6, 2016 03:47

Magog: Jan 9, 2010

Higsian posted:

Making words with 'bro-' in front of them is real dumb. People should stop doing it.

Actually let's expand that to the word bro and all derivatives of it.

Stop being so brose-minded.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 03:53

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Higsian posted:

Making words with 'bro-' in front of them is real dumb. People should stop doing it.

Actually let's expand that to the word bro and all derivatives of it.

Brogurt?

# ? Apr 6, 2016 03:54

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

open24hours posted:

Quality writing at the Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/06/he-says-hes-progressive-but-is-he-really-a-brogressive

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Has a secret Twitter account that he uses to @ opinion writers and columnists who irritate him.

Won't someone think of the columnists :qq:

# ? Apr 6, 2016 03:56

Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

EvilElmo posted:

Blah blah. Greens policy best policy.

Shame only 8-12% of the population, mostly concentrated in a few seats agree with you.

I like how you only tried to argue against the thing he specifically said he wasn't talking about.

Should I just drop the word 'green' here so you can respond to that instead of the other forty words I just wrote?

# ? Apr 6, 2016 03:57

Cling-Wrap Condom: Jul 23, 2015; I'm tryna get my peen touched, pants.

EvilElmo posted:

Blah blah. Greens policy best policy.

Shame only 8-12% of the population, mostly concentrated in a few seats agree with you.

ahhahahahahahahhahahahhahaha

# ? Apr 6, 2016 04:02

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

EvilElmo posted:

Blah blah. Greens policy best policy.

Shame only 8-12% of the population, mostly concentrated in a few seats agree with you.

Actually, a significant portion of the Australian public agree with the greens on specific policies, when they are told about them. They just dont vote for the greens because of reasons.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 04:04

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

I'm a National-Brocialist.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 04:15

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/06/csiro-climate-cuts-about-cutting-public-good-research-documents-show

Read the article.. jesus loving christ.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 04:21

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Frogmanv2 posted:

Actually, a significant portion of the Australian public agree with the greens on specific policies, when they are told about them. They just dont vote for the greens because of reasons.

no you see a first preference at an election means that a voter exclusively agrees with 100% of that party's policies, whilst simultanously rejecting all other parties' policies.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 04:22

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

nature isn't good enough christ

# ? Apr 6, 2016 04:35

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

hooman posted:

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/06/csiro-climate-cuts-about-cutting-public-good-research-documents-show

Read the article.. jesus loving christ.

21 November, before a meeting at which that investigation was discussed, the deputy director of the oceans and atmosphere business unit, Andreas Schiller, sent an email summarising what CSIRO executives thought ought to be done.

The focus should be to “maximise impact on nation”, he said, and “not doing science for science sake”. He said “public good is not good enough, [it] needs to be linked to jobs and growth”.

...

In March Alex Wonhas, the executive director of environment, energy and resources, told the Senate inquiry public good research was not being cut: “I want to categorically say that is not the case ... Public good research has been the absolute foundation of what the CSIRO has been doing over our very long history.”

But on 18 January, about two weeks before the cuts were announced, Schiller wrote to the director of the unit saying they should aim to cut 120 staff. That would “allow a clean cut in terms of eliminating all capability associated with ‘public good/government-funded climate research’”.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 04:45

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Our new strategy will see us continue to deliver research outcomes that benefit Australians and the international community. This includes in our key focus areas such as cybersecurity and digital disruption, business transformation, agriculture, health, and climate adaptation and mitigation.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 04:49

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

these morons don't realise that the CSIRO's greatest commercialisable successes have come from public good research that wasn't focussed on short term commercial "impact".

# ? Apr 6, 2016 04:51

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Also that research that has obvious commercial returns will likely be done by private companies anyway

# ? Apr 6, 2016 05:11

Jonah Galtberg: Feb 11, 2009

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# ? Apr 6, 2016 06:02

Pickled Tink: Apr 28, 2012; Have you heard about First Dog? It's a very good comic I just love.

Also, wear your bike helmets kids. I copped several blows to the head but my helmet left me totally unscathed.

Finally you should check out First Dog as it's a good comic I like it very much.; Fun Shoe

Mr Chips posted:

these morons don't realise that the CSIRO's greatest commercialisable successes have come from public good research that wasn't focussed on short term commercial "impact".

It isn't that. They are well aware of that fact. They were put there to gut the body and destroy its reputation, and they are doing both spectacularly well. Once the thing has been sufficiently mangled they'll privatise it and sell off all those juicy successes. They just know they couldn't get away with doing it now, but if you trash it enough first then people won't object.

It's the same thing they are trying to do with public health services, just a different approach.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 06:04

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Malcolm 'Steve Ballmer' Turnbull posted:

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# ? Apr 6, 2016 06:17

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

WiFi decimated the wire industry, we can't keep making mistakes like that.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 06:35

Sludge Tank: Jul 31, 2007; by Azathoth

Jonah Galtberg posted:

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Beat me to it.

I work with a lot of CSIRO people and you can taste the frustration. They get pigeon holed for merely presenting facts as "lefties/environmentalists" etc. Such a shame to see such amazing people treated like excess baggage. One scientist I worked with said she'd come back with all this data about ocean acidification and then just get jumped on as a communist. They don't even offer solutions, they just present the facts. I wish all the best for those boffins.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 06:39