Aurainsoph posted:

What's the name of the ship(s) us n00bs should be aiming for to have the biggest impact both in the large scale fights and the smaller skirmishes/scouting? From the skill guide, it seems like it would be something Gallente.

Aurainsoph posted:

What's the name of the ship(s) us n00bs should be aiming for to have the biggest impact both in the large scale fights and the smaller skirmishes/scouting? From the skill guide, it seems like it would be something Gallente.

Venom Snake posted:

I'm not putting my faith in Elo, I was making a joke about him. I'm not really sure anyone in this plane of reality likes Elo.

Landsknecht posted:

it's really weird that as much as we (goons) have been hated, a lot of eve seems to have tried to emulate the culture/attitude

Kimsemus posted:

I have asserted literally none of the things you've alluded to me asserting but agreed FIXX was pretty terrible. I did sort of figure out how to play in FIXX which was nice though.

But I also think it's sort of silly to say these fights aren't critical when by anyone's definition they are, and if you were winning you would say they were. Thank you for the history lesson I was 100% present for though.

crew posted:

I like Elo

Nietzschean posted:

I did not know you'd been around that long, so sorry about that.

I'm sure you can find mirrors and screenshots of the goonfleet forums if you try, and so I'm equally sure you're aware of how our current doctrines are actually in flux. If not, then even just the comments made in this thread are a good enough indicator: we just a couple days ago announced a new battleship doctrine (what's old is new again), and the parallels to the ramp-up to Fountain 2013 are pretty striking: afk FCs and line members slowly trickling back to the game, a bloated empire that had been fielding faction battleships transitioning to more reliable and easily sourced alternatives, PL hanging a Sword of Damocles over the theatre while NCdot, TEST, et al crow about how great they are on Reddit, and so on. Why does it take so damned long for the Imperium to spool up for this? I dunno. I've not been space important enough to be privy to the details of our pre-war huddles, but apparently it's a thing. Perhaps it's part of the Fabian Strategy that Mittani mentioned in the CEO update. Your guess is as good as mine.

But for whatever reason, a significant wind-up clearly does and has existed for the CFC/Imperium in the lead-up to concerted war efforts; and, those wars have generally been won over the course of the past six years that I've been playing with Goonswarm. Will this time be different? Perhaps. Regardless of the current conflict, the thing that strikes my interest is the promised New Great War, the grudgefuck hellwar against the various entities who have invaded us and challenged us to do something about it. I, at least, was not around for The Great War, but if we deliver on Mittani's promise, and I hope we do, then I'm looking forward to seeing this new iteration.

And of course, I'll be there to lead Siege Fleet as we burn down every destructible asset we can find if so. If not? Then, well, I guess I'll come back a few months in the future and admit to having believed a lie. Until then, there's nothing to do but wait and see.

Nietzschean posted:

I did not know you'd been around that long, so sorry about that.

I'm sure you can find mirrors and screenshots of the goonfleet forums if you try, and so I'm equally sure you're aware of how our current doctrines are actually in flux. If not, then even just the comments made in this thread are a good enough indicator: we just a couple days ago announced a new battleship doctrine (what's old is new again), and the parallels to the ramp-up to Fountain 2013 are pretty striking: afk FCs and line members slowly trickling back to the game, a bloated empire that had been fielding faction battleships transitioning to more reliable and easily sourced alternatives, PL hanging a Sword of Damocles over the theatre while NCdot, TEST, et al crow about how great they are on Reddit, and so on. Why does it take so damned long for the Imperium to spool up for this? I dunno. I've not been space important enough to be privy to the details of our pre-war huddles, but apparently it's a thing. Perhaps it's part of the Fabian Strategy that Mittani mentioned in the CEO update. Your guess is as good as mine.

But for whatever reason, a significant wind-up clearly does and has existed for the CFC/Imperium in the lead-up to concerted war efforts; and, those wars have generally been won over the course of the past six years that I've been playing with Goonswarm. Will this time be different? Perhaps. Regardless of the current conflict, the thing that strikes my interest is the promised New Great War, the grudgefuck hellwar against the various entities who have invaded us and challenged us to do something about it. I, at least, was not around for The Great War, but if we deliver on Mittani's promise, and I hope we do, then I'm looking forward to seeing this new iteration.

And of course, I'll be there to lead Siege Fleet as we burn down every destructible asset we can find if so. If not? Then, well, I guess I'll come back a few months in the future and admit to having believed a lie. Until then, there's nothing to do but wait and see.

RhoA posted:

Almost done man, back to rotations in two months. Time to get my internal medicine on.

Landsknecht posted:

Well I guess that's it for your credibility, FIXX was pretty trash-tier (and got smacked around a lot).

You're pretty dumb thinking that this will be anything near the end of GSF, and that although these fights now will matter, they're not critical.

In 2010 Goons lost everything. Like I mean everything, the alliance was closed, the main corp was gone, everyone was kicked, alliance assets were taken; all that remained were the forums, jabber, and teamspeak. LODRA (the new alliance) then tried to invade CR and basically got nowhere, and there was internal drama and pubbie witchhunts. Participation sucked, nobody had any resources, and LODRA ended up on TCF's couch in Venal.

Over the next 5 years GSF/the CFC became the biggest and best-organized coalition EVE has seen, and had basically five years of straight winning. This is the group that prettymuch won the nullsec game twice.

Even though Mittani is a pseudointelligent, longwinded douchebag, he has prioritized building alliance infrastructure and securing long-term resources. Even though a bureaucratic leader might not be what GSF really needs right now, having such stable and committed leadership has meant that GSF has insane resources. I don't really know what the number of active supers is in GSF, but back when I got mine (which was early 2011) they were being pumped out at an obscene rate, and that was just when the alliance was starting to seriously prioritize them. Even if everything falls apart in the next few months, I can guarantee you that GSF will be back in some way, unless eve actually shuts down.

vyst posted:

Wouldn't be a thread without a lovely Garnt hole squad woe is me post

Venom Snake posted:

i don't think you get hole squad

Foehammer007 posted:

tolstoy for ceo the true pvp leader for hole squad

frozenpussy posted:

PS which is better



or

Richard Bong posted:

Yeah why can't we just conveniently ignore how we hosed him over?

We(old HV) didnt want ~alliance assets~ from GSF we just wanted to hangout in a wormhole with space friends but apparently that was unreasonable.




Stop talking about Hole Squad. There being a war on has little to do with GOKU being a ghost town.

frozenpussy posted:

PS which is better

Richard Bong posted:

Stop talking about Hole Squad. There being a war on has little to do with GOKU being a ghost town.

Cyrelio posted:

I prefer the bottom one, personally.

Kimsemus posted:

I hope all of this comes to pass, and I hope everyone has fun because of it. I guess that's the benefit of having no aspiration for space in null and no ill-will towards fellow goons, I'm just here for the fun with no emotional investment whatsoever. The only time I got fired up recently to fight goons was when the whole viceroy thing kicked in and the imperium threatened our moons in lowsec and I sort of need those for stuff.

Also I made an EVE chat channel on the SA discord if anyone is interested, you can find the link to the server info here if you need it: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3759565

I know goonwaffe has its own services but both people in and out of goons in EVE can chat there if you like.

Venom Snake posted:

why are more people logging in than ever then

edit: like, I understand being bitter because w/e old hole squad is dead and never coming back but christ dude

Venom Snake posted:

i don't think you get hole squad

Otacon posted:

This

RhoA posted:

Venom Snake posted:

i was referencing the fact hole squad is not some super elite pvp organization but okay

RhoA posted:

He never stated that hole squad was a super elite pvp organization.

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

sion sucks rear end

Venom Snake posted:

why are more people logging in than ever then

edit: like, I understand being bitter because w/e old hole squad is dead and never coming back but christ dude

Venom Snake posted:

i was referencing the fact hole squad is not some super elite pvp organization but okay

Venom Snake posted:

he said people who join hole squad do so becuase they don't like being around inept people which is obviously false because everyone didn't quit when I was let in



okay well maybe some did

Venom Snake posted:

anyway it's my space opinion that hole goons aren't dead or dying or w/e sky fall meme of the day but i know arguing with people about it will just make them upset about it because well thats just how that goes, good night and god bless

Richard Bong posted:

Despera posted:

God stfu about hole squad

Kimsemus posted:

I hope all of this comes to pass, and I hope everyone has fun because of it. I guess that's the benefit of having no aspiration for space in null and no ill-will towards fellow goons, I'm just here for the fun with no emotional investment whatsoever. The only time I got fired up recently to fight goons was when the whole viceroy thing kicked in and the imperium threatened our moons in lowsec and I sort of need those for stuff.

Also I made an EVE chat channel on the SA discord if anyone is interested, you can find the link to the server info here if you need it: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3759565

I know goonwaffe has its own services but both people in and out of goons in EVE can chat there if you like.

Cyrelio posted:

It is just a game after all. It's good to talk to rational people on the other side for once instead of the alternative poo poo-spewing, mouth-breathing, reddit-worshippers.

Cyrelio posted:

Speaking from the opposing side of the conflict, I can tell you that a lot of what you said is what I have noticed as well. As far as doctrines go, we're just trying to find out what works best for the situation. Given that we're up against many different entities who are all flying their own separate doctrines, it's gotta be hard to plan for one thing that will do good against all of them. However our numbers are slowly improving. Yesterday evening I was surprised to see we actually filled a full T3 fleet that wasn't a posted OP to try and contest the CSAA in Tenal. Now of course that fact was moot considering there were 1200+ hostiles that showed up to oppose us, but it's a good start and I hope we can get that consistently. I was bummed that we flew all the way out there (30+ jumps from our staging with a long warp tunnel every stargate because of 250+ dudes in fleet) and were not able to fight, but you have to admit that taking that fight was a good decision (at least for us).

I think that as you guys start to get closer to established systems that have higher ADMs that you're going to slow down a lot. As a coalition our forces were really spread out and now that we're consolidated I think that is going to help with resistance as well. And if you get as far as Deklein you might hit a brick wall entirely since those ADMs are pretty good and there will be tons of angry Goons ready to take revenge and defend our homeland. And if we lose Deklein? So what? While I think that the chances of this happening are extremely low you can't rule it out as impossible. Would losing Deklein cause the Alliance or Coalition to collapse on itself? I don't think so. It's not the end of the world by any means.

Regardless, I'm looking forward to the next few weeks and it should be good fun either way no matter what happens. This is my first real war being with Goons for almost 2 years and so far I'm having a lot of fun participating and getting to shoot space mans. I joined in for other things such as the 2015 Fountain/Delve conflict and our GSF-only deployment to Immensea, but this is doesn't even compare. I hear a lot of people saying that the MBC is going to turn on each and break apart and people will get bored and go home and all that, so it seems like there is a lot of hope that will happen. Will it happen? Nobody knows. Will the Citadel expansion change things? Maybe. Time will tell, but I hope that we don't get complacent and put all our hopes solely on that happening. From what I have seen in previous conflicts, I can say that we have not even come close to reaching our full potential to wage war yet.

Anyways, that's just my opinion as a regular line member. Also, you're a chill dude and level-headed about the whole thing and I appreciate that. It is just a game after all. It's good to talk to rational people on the other side for once instead of the alternative poo poo-spewing, mouth-breathing, reddit-worshippers.