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If there's one thing Snyder's Superman does with great frequency, it's deal with real life situations
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I have learned recently that people have "feelings" and also "moms" and I have combined these into my movie about smashing things efficiently, I zack Snyder am a real life organic human male whirrrr whirrrr buzz bzzzzz zzzzzt click *unholy chorus singing*
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Apr 6, 2016 00:29
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Italian Superman: Please! You gotta save Marie!
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Apr 6, 2016 00:42
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poisonpill posted:"Hey, look what came to Netflix. It's Mar-" lmao
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Apr 6, 2016 01:23
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Superman - Bruce, the common good is an illusion and we cannot consign ourselves the status of sacrificial animals! Batman - You're right, Clark; to be selfish is not immoral but the highest of morality!
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Apr 6, 2016 01:36
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BvS is like sophomoric lovely writers who hamfistedly cram attempts at subversion and allegory into their turgid bland writing with all the subtly of a chimp with a hammer and then think they're being totally smart and deep but it only makes their poo poo even more painful. A whole bunch of CD posts are also at that level so they get along really well.
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Apr 6, 2016 02:13
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lazorexplosion posted:BvS is like sophomoric lovely writers who hamfistedly cram attempts at subversion and allegory into their turgid bland writing with all the subtly of a chimp with a hammer and then think they're being totally smart and deep but it only makes their poo poo even more painful. A whole bunch of CD posts are also at that level so they get along really well. yeah all this is probly true. i think the entire movie would be salvaged if it wasnt for how quickly batman went from impaling supes through the chest to smacking him on the back like "we got this, bro." and also if WW's youtube montage was an after the credits thing(or just after the big producer guys whatever idgaf) Like those two things pushed it over the edge it was tipped on.
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Apr 6, 2016 02:27
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what is it about CD that attracts people who are not too smart but want to come across as though they are moreso than your average internet forum, i mean
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Apr 6, 2016 02:30
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The "must save Martha" thing didn't really bother me too much conceptually as a way to bring an end to the fight in theory- and Snyder's not off base on why it should work: having a mom that he loves does make Superman a human character (and not alien jesus!) and should give Batman pause about how to treat this previously inhuman machine of destruction. The problem though is that he flubbed it up. -First, the movie isn't really shot from Batman's perspective even though it clearly should have been. We as an audience already have access to Superman's internal world (as sparse as it is) so there's no change in state for us when the reveal happens. -Second, even if it were shot from Batman's view, nobody in the audience is unfamiliar with Superman's character. That Superman is a product of a good home and loves his parents and they love him is like a core trait of every Superman story. -So to try and compensate for that or something- and this is literally the only reason I can think of Snyder's decisions on Supes other than he's just trying to jam libertarianism or Dr. Manhattan in to a Superman costume- he tried to make Superman seem distant and threatening to us. The image of Superman we're seeing is more the image through Batman's eyes or Lex Luthor's eyes. But that doesn't change that the movie had the word Superman in the title, so instead of leaving me wondering who this mysterious alien was and what motivated him, I'm left to feel 'oh! Snyder doesn't get Superman!' -The setup is also weakened by a Batman who regularly kills as casually as this one. Did Bats forget that many of not all the criminals he was going after also had moms?? It'd make sense if we had seen the event that pushed him from the Batman most people know to this Batman, but we had to rush to BvS instead of setting up the characters first. -And so we get to the Martha scene and the audience is all over the place in comparison to where Snyder thinks we'd be. We're not suddenly dealing with the drama of new information, but Bats is. Instead we're trying to reconcile the weird way Superman had been portrayed up to that moment with the sudden need to see him as fragile. We're out of the moment trying to deal with tone and consistency. In a sense, the better setup for this was (unsurprisingly) done in the Batman animated series with the introduction of Mr. Freeze. Freeze is basically presented as a robot- unfeeling and inhuman. Batman should have no sympathy for him. But as the story unfolds Batman-and generally the audience since it wasn't like Mr. Freeze was well known to viewers at that point- discoveres his motivations, his lost love, and that creates a conflict for him. It creates a tension in the character and us that we can appreciate. Fidel Cuckstro fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Apr 6, 2016 02:38
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDsw86ATrQ0 how long can u last
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Apr 6, 2016 03:03
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDsw86ATrQ0 "today on..." *click*
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Apr 6, 2016 03:23
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDsw86ATrQ0 Got through reading the title while a commercial played.
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Apr 6, 2016 03:24
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Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:cd is clearly too smart 4 me all those words for 'Frank Miller is an Authoritarian'
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Apr 6, 2016 03:28
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I still can't believe they couldn't just adapt this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5nUsa8ZLm4
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Apr 6, 2016 03:38
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achillesforever6 posted:I still can't believe they couldn't just adapt this thats gay bro you dont even see batman do crossfit
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Apr 6, 2016 03:40
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lazorexplosion posted:BvS is like sophomoric lovely writers who hamfistedly cram attempts at subversion and allegory into their turgid bland writing with all the subtly of a chimp with a hammer and then think they're being totally smart and deep but it only makes their poo poo even more painful. A whole bunch of CD posts are also at that level so they get along really well. Is there anything on earth lazier than Jesus imagery? Superman As Savior may be the shittiest film school hack concept in the history of the medium. And the fact that this Superman ISN'T a savior just makes it worse. Snyder's Superman is adored by the public as though he's Christopher Reeve, but he's at no point anything other than some weird rear end in a top hat who destroys things and lets people die by the hundreds of thousands. So not only is the Christ-figure iconography hacky and extremely played out, it's also entirely inappropriate and improperly used.
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Apr 6, 2016 03:47
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDsw86ATrQ0 kevin smith cried at the Flash on tv when his mom died. like actual sobbing cry tears and he posted a video of it. but he didnt like batman v superman. daamn.. thats the most damning thing ive seen posted so far actually 
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Apr 6, 2016 03:55
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achillesforever6 posted:I still can't believe they couldn't just adapt this Am I the only one who thinks the theme from Batman TAS loving flawless?
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Apr 6, 2016 03:57
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Marky Marx posted:Am I the only one who thinks the theme from Batman TAS loving flawless? Considering its the theme from Batman the movie, no. Its pretty much the best movie theme ever. achillesforever6 posted:I still can't believe they couldn't just adapt this This was something the film really needed, just Batman and Superman skirmishing. He wanted to do a weird Dark Knight Returns send up so badly he didn't realize how much more entertaining watching them basically gently caress with each other before the big showdown would be.
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Apr 6, 2016 04:02
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Everything about Batman TAS is legitimately good.
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Apr 6, 2016 04:09
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Considering its the theme from Batman the movie, no. Let's not forget the Noir / Art Deco look which is probably the most iconic Batman look that's ever existed. Something that really sticks out in The Dark Knight Rises is the fact they filmed in Pittsburgh, which is the worst Gotham analog until BvS. Burton's Batman had those gorgeous matte paintings of a gothic crumbling Art Deco city, and the first two Nolan films used Chicago which is a blend of influences from all kinds of construction styles. Pittsburgh just looks like a red brick toilet. There's nothing stylish or romantic about it. It's just a dirty, average, mundane city. And it's very much not Batman/iconic. In BvS Gotham is just a crappy neighborhood across the river from Metropolis. No loving style whatsoever. Irradiation posted:Everything about Batman TAS is legitimately good. This is the truest statement.
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Apr 6, 2016 04:14
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Irradiation posted:Everything about Batman TAS is legitimately good. The evolution of Batman is great where by Batman Beyond he is the broken down bitter old man, but when Terry comes in he starts to soften up and open himself to the people he casted away. Nothing these DC Movies do will ever top scenes like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWHHsdE_oQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFoPc52Kd8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8m6WxvZHmo A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Pittsburgh just looks like a red brick toilet. There's nothing stylish or romantic about it. It's just a dirty, average, mundane city. And it's very much not Batman/iconic.  Oh god you are right 
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Apr 6, 2016 04:20
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Mother fucker don't you talk poo poo about Pittsburgh!!!!! You are totally right though that Chicago is basically the perfect city to depict Gotham. I always saw Gotham as the DC version of Chicago Anyways, I think the reason why the Art Deco look of the Burton films and TAS worked so well is that it got to the core of Batman's influences. Batman is basically film noir. His villains are mobsters and criminals. Burton was smart enough to realize this and build a design that spoke to underlining themes of Batman as a character.
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Apr 6, 2016 04:24
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They also used those shots of New York which completely break the feel of the movie.
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Apr 6, 2016 04:34
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achillesforever6 posted:Everything about the DCAU is great because its fun and has poignant moments, but also moments of levity, also its amazing the voice cast they got over the years if they don't 100% redo that aquaman scene in his movie i will eat my hat. it's like the ooooone time he was absolutely badass with no real way of 'lol aquaman'ing i away
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Apr 6, 2016 04:35
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Marky Marx posted:Am I the only one who thinks the theme from Batman TAS loving flawless? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge5HZuKd9Bc A GLISTENING HODOR posted:
http://www.1989batman.com/2013/04/production-materials-pinewood-studios.html Nckdictator fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Apr 6, 2016 04:43
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Def different from the movie imo. thanks for this btw.
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Apr 6, 2016 07:12
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDsw86ATrQ0 
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Apr 6, 2016 07:30
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDsw86ATrQ0 literally saw what it was and clicked off before the commercial finished as well.
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Apr 6, 2016 07:54
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man that 5th grader looks terrible
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Apr 6, 2016 08:30
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I'm getting the feeling, from Zack Snyder's interview, that the whole "Martha" moment was a core point the entire movie was built around. "Like they're fighting and just destroying everything, right? Then Superman calls out his mother's name, Martha, and it happens to be Batman's mother's name! Oh my god. It changes everything, right. Audiences will be blown the gently caress away! Give me a quarter of a billion dollars." Of course, it's not the first time a whole work has been created just a single shared name moment: Star Trek v X-Men.  achillesforever6 posted:I still can't believe they couldn't just adapt this I always liked this moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME66HTeNbHY Because of course Batman already knows who they are. He's Batman.
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Apr 6, 2016 08:41
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lfield posted:what is it about CD that attracts people who are not too smart but want to come across as though they are did they really have a page long discussion about how superman, in fact, didn't kill that guy that he shoved through a wall at a million miles an hour? And they keep on insulting BSS for some reason. Chucat fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Apr 6, 2016 08:43
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Superman and batman are the worst superheroes there i said it. A lot of people rightfully acknowledge superman is poo poo but batman is really bad too. Dark knight fuckin sucked btw.
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Apr 6, 2016 08:51
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Chucat posted:did they really have a page long discussion about how superman, in fact, didn't kill that guy that he shoved through a wall at a million miles an hour? This, like a million other little things in the movie, fails to work because Snyder is a great director... of photography. He wants nothing but perfect, iconic images, every shot the kind of thing that would be a two-page splash in the comics. This means he has trouble letting the big hero scenes play out fully with little denouements. So you don't get the beat where, for example, the "Nairomi" terrorist leader is covered in dust from pulverized bricks and dazed, but set down with Superman saying he's going to send him to the Hague. You have a montage of him saving people where every shot is done in this ponderous "iconic" manner like he's just ticking off the box "fine, here he is SAVING PEOPLE" but he has to have this impassive beatific look of stoicism and it's all done in dialogue free slow mo. Wheras Donner would have him do the rescue, show it actually play out maybe with a clever or visually interesting use of his superpowers, and then grin and charm his way through the gratitude of the rescued. Of course that's being charitable and assuming Snyder didn't flat out just intend to have him kill the guy. Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Apr 6, 2016 08:52
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Gorilla Salad posted:I'm getting the feeling, from Zack Snyder's interview, that the whole "Martha" moment was a core point the entire movie was built around. Who was it that was unmasked by some supervillain in an animated cartoon and then the villain just says "I don't know who this is"?
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Apr 6, 2016 08:55
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Last few pages of this thread have been infinitely more entertaining than I imagine BvS is.
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Apr 6, 2016 10:39
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Apr 6, 2016 10:49
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thathonkey posted:Superman and batman are the worst superheroes there i said it. A lot of people rightfully acknowledge superman is poo poo but batman is really bad too. Dark knight fuckin sucked btw. nah it's a really good movie.
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Apr 6, 2016 12:31
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Gorilla Salad posted:I always liked this moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnKtEfPBVq0
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Otisburg posted:This, like a million other little things in the movie, fails to work because Snyder is a great director... of photography. He wants nothing but perfect, iconic images, every shot the kind of thing that would be a two-page splash in the comics. That's pretty appropriate analogy, because while those two-page splash pages are important, a comic made entirely of them usually is a sign of bad storytelling skills. Jerry Cotton posted:Who was it that was unmasked by some supervillain in an animated cartoon and then the villain just says "I don't know who this is"? It was Lex Luthor, who switched bodies with the Flash. The first thing when he realized what happened was unmask him in a mirror to discover his secret identity but had no idea who the Flash is, because he's not a world-famous reporter or billionaire playboy.
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