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Vladimir Poutine posted:Nothing wrong with the message, but drat that's an ugly image. I'm still amazed how many people don't know how to properly save or post an image. They always end up looking like this.
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I still literally don't know what you do to have that happen accidentally.
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Apr 6, 2016 12:01
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Download and re-upload a jpeg through an 80% compression filter 100+ times and you'll probably start getting something that looks like that.
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Apr 6, 2016 12:17
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Scathach posted:Evry time I see a person with tons of dad/mom quotes, I assume that person totally defines themselves by their kids and just generally being a parent. Or they went through a divorce and didn't get custody
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Apr 6, 2016 13:15
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goose fleet posted:Or they went through a divorce and didn't get custody God, now I have this image of a divorced guy posting online with a tear running down his cheek. "I miss being call Dad.....  "
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Apr 6, 2016 13:20
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Admiral Joeslop posted:
I love the person asking "if everyone stopped smoking how would they get tobacco tax revenue?" as if there are no major outstanding societal costs from tobacco consumption.
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Apr 6, 2016 14:02
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Brawnfire posted:I love the person asking "if everyone stopped smoking how would they get tobacco tax revenue?" as if there are no major outstanding societal costs from tobacco consumption. Anybody who knows anything also knows that states that want easy stupid taxes just pushes lotto.
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Apr 6, 2016 14:18
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Otisburg posted:I know someone personally who was certified to teach history at the high school level who did not know who the principle belligerents of World War II were, as far as naming them and correctly lining them up on Team Axis and Team Allies. You made me nervous about my knowledge. US, UK, Germany, Italy, and Japan, correct? 
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Apr 6, 2016 14:37
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Anybody who knows anything also knows that states that want easy stupid taxes just pushes lotto. But someone has to win the prize! 
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Apr 6, 2016 14:50
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RFC2324 posted:You made me nervous about my knowledge. I mean, I dunno which big 5 he was referring to, but Russia was pretty huge. I mean, they suffered 50 times the casualties than either the US or the UK fighting against Germany.
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Apr 6, 2016 15:11
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trapped mouse posted:I mean, I dunno which big 5 he was referring to, but Russia was pretty huge. I mean, they suffered 50 times the casualties than either the US or the UK fighting against Germany. But they are commies so they don't count 
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Apr 6, 2016 15:14
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RFC2324 posted:You made me nervous about my knowledge. I would usually say Germany, UK, Russia, Italy and Japan. The US didn't really enter until later on.
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Apr 6, 2016 15:23
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trapped mouse posted:Now I've heard some bold claims about Irish oppression, not all of them false. This is the worst one I've ever seen. Really buddy? ANY other race? Black people and Native Americans have always had it easier than the Irish? Not sure I 100% agree with your police work there Lou. Without even getting into a stupid "FACE OFF: Who was more Oppressed!!?!?!" thing the two situations are just so wildly different both historically and in their modern day effects that it's a ridiculous comparison.
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Apr 6, 2016 15:24
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cash crab posted:I would usually say Germany, UK, Russia, Italy and Japan. The US didn't really enter until later on. The war would have never ended if the US didn't show up to win it.
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Apr 6, 2016 15:26
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cash crab posted:I would usually say Germany, UK, Russia, Italy and Japan. The US didn't really enter until later on. Neither did Russia, really. Maybe France?
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Apr 6, 2016 15:30
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Apparently the Big Five refers to the major world powers as of immediately after WWII, namely Great Britain, France, the USSR, the USA and China.
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Apr 6, 2016 15:46
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Jonathan Yeah! posted:Neither did Russia, really. Maybe France? I think the take away here is that, if you aren't a history buff, even major events like WWII can be a bit hazy, since so much of who a 'main' belligerent is can be influenced by opinion, and most of this learned about this, then rarely think about it in detail again, many years ago. Been more than 20 since I had to know anything about it.
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Apr 6, 2016 15:49
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So someone mocked a guy for not knowing the Big Five. At which point we get 4 different definitions for Big Five.
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Apr 6, 2016 16:37
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RFC2324 posted:I think the take away here is that, if you aren't a history buff, even major events like WWII can be a bit hazy, since so much of who a 'main' belligerent is can be influenced by opinion, and most of this learned about this, then rarely think about it in detail again, many years ago. Been more than 20 since I had to know anything about it. 
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Apr 6, 2016 16:42
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France, Germany, UK, US, Russia is the correct answer. The PTO was basically just US/China/Australia vs Japan. France, Germany, UK, US, and Russia were the major players of the ETO, which is usually what people mean when they talk about WW2.
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Apr 6, 2016 16:54
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Krispy Kareem posted:So someone mocked a guy for not knowing the Big Five. I hate to be that guy but its technically the big 4.
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Apr 6, 2016 17:08
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Krispy Kareem posted:So someone mocked a guy for not knowing the Big Five. Someone mocked a history teacher, to be clear.
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Apr 6, 2016 17:51
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I always thought it was Allies = UK/France/USA (who only came later on) + a whole host of other nations who were there out of loyalty vs. the Axis = Germany/Italy/Japan. The USSR showed up a little later on when Hitler decided to invade, otherwise they were all too happy just trying to take over Finland while a loving world war was going on.
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Apr 6, 2016 17:53
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According to the board game Axis & Allies, it was USA, UK, and Russia vs Germany and Japan. Later editions don't count.
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Apr 6, 2016 17:57
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Madkal posted:I always thought it was Allies = UK/France/USA (who only came later on) + a whole host of other nations who were there out of loyalty vs. the Axis = Germany/Italy/Japan. The USSR showed up a little later on when Hitler decided to invade, otherwise they were all too happy just trying to take over Finland while a loving world war was going on. Those were the big players in the European theater. But there were tons of countries that fought, which is why its called a world war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers
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Apr 6, 2016 18:04
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Madkal posted:I always thought it was Allies = UK/France/USA (who only came later on) + a whole host of other nations who were there out of loyalty vs. the Axis = Germany/Italy/Japan. The USSR showed up a little later on when Hitler decided to invade, otherwise they were all too happy just trying to take over Finland while a loving world war was going on. Mostly correct, but France was "the free French forces" until Normandy, when France proper was liberated. Also, the Axis had some minor countries with fascist governments on their side (Romania, for example).
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Apr 6, 2016 18:05
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Madkal posted:I always thought it was Allies = UK/France/USA (who only came later on) + a whole host of other nations who were there out of loyalty vs. the Axis = Germany/Italy/Japan. The USSR showed up a little later on when Hitler decided to invade, otherwise they were all too happy just trying to take over Finland while a loving world war was going on. The Red Army was actively modernizing in 1939-1941. It's not that they were happy to ignore a world war, it's that they wanted to buy as much time as possible to be in a good shape when they did get drawn in.
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Apr 6, 2016 18:06
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Solice Kirsk posted:Those were the big players in the European theater. But there were tons of countries that fought, which is why its called a world war. Yea, I was just referring to what I thought the guy meant about the "Big 5". Why I mentioned whole host of other countries involved either due to loyalty (like pretty much every commonwealth country) or because they had no choice. Mikl posted:Mostly correct, but France was "the free French forces" until Normandy, when France proper was liberated. Also, the Axis had some minor countries with fascist governments on their side (Romania, for example). France was in the war as an independent country until Germany pretty much took them out of it.
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Apr 6, 2016 18:24
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Ensign Expendable posted:The Red Army was actively modernizing in 1939-1941. It's not that they were happy to ignore a world war, it's that they wanted to buy as much time as possible to be in a good shape when they did get drawn in. Even when they were signing the treaty Hitler and Stalin both realized it was only a matter of time until one of them betrayed the other. It was one of those uneasy peaces that is absolutely guaranteed to not last very long. Hitler just happened to be the one that blinked first. It was one of the biggest flaws of totalitarian governments at the time. Well it's also one of the biggest flaws of fascism in general but anyway pretty much all of them were saying "we must expand our power forever." It was inevitable that they'd end up fighting each other eventually.
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Let's just cut the garbage here. The war was really just Germany/Japan vs the US. The other countries involved were just lucky that the US, once again  , had to roll in to fix the mess they made for themselves. USA, back to back world war champions!
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Apr 6, 2016 18:30
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About time for round 3, where we successfully defend our title against all comers!
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I am aware that its a gross simplifacation. My point was that they didn't understand it on even that level, let alone enough to say "well gently caress you for leaving out the Finns, because actually" This person did not know which side of the conflict Russia or Japan was on.
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Apr 6, 2016 18:38
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Well, if they grew up with just a basic US education and did not take specific history lessons on it in high school or college then I can believe it. I remember in high school all we really learned was "the US fought Germany and Japan and then we nuked Japan. And France, England, and Russia were there too I guess...."
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Solice Kirsk posted:Well, if they grew up with just a basic US education and did not take specific history lessons on it in high school or college then I can believe it. I remember in high school all we really learned was "the US fought Germany and Japan and then we nuked Japan. And France, England, and Russia were there too I guess...." Exactly. I only recently learned that much of the Allies' technological superiority came from Britain. Good job England. You helped.
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Apr 6, 2016 18:48
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Solice Kirsk posted:Let's just cut the garbage here. The war was really just Germany/Japan vs the US. The other countries involved were just lucky that the US, once again What actually happened was every European country, including Britain, was a bitch and scared of offending Hitler for some reason and then oh poo poo this guy started a European war we could have stopped years ago if we had any balls and the US stayed out of it until the Empire Pearl Harbored us so America stood up, shook its head, sighed and unsheathed its nukes to crush Japan and then led the Allies to beat Hitler. So now everyone is always mad that America gets involved with other countries we don't have anything to do with when the one time we didn't get involved look what happened.
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oldpainless posted:What actually happened was every European country, including Britain, was a bitch and scared of offending Hitler for some reason and then oh poo poo this guy started a European war we could have stopped years ago if we had any balls and the US stayed out of it until the Empire Pearl Harbored us so America stood up, shook its head, sighed and unsheathed its nukes to crush Japan and then led the Allies to beat Hitler. This really is what I learned about it in high school. 
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So USA schools never teach about the meat-grinder that was the Eastern front then.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Well, if they grew up with just a basic US education and did not take specific history lessons on it in high school or college then I can believe it. I remember in high school all we really learned was "the US fought Germany and Japan and then we nuked Japan. And France, England, and Russia were there too I guess...." They're a high school history teacher. And this convo was post college graduation before they started at a local high school.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Well, if they grew up with just a basic US education and did not take specific history lessons on it in high school or college then I can believe it. I remember in high school all we really learned was "the US fought Germany and Japan and then we nuked Japan. And France, England, and Russia were there too I guess...." You didn't do other countries history? Here in England we did stuff about Britain but we also did Tsarism & Communism in Russia/USSR, Fascism in Italy, The Rise of Fascism in Germany, Francoism in Spain, Race Relations and Foreign Policy in the US, etc.
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Madkal posted:So USA schools never teach about the meat-grinder that was the Eastern front then. If its a basic high school class, only the most basic of info is covered that isn't directly tied to America's role in the war. And the reason its written that way is because history is written by the winners. Which is America. The Brits or Russian could have written the books if they had won the war.
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