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The Crotch posted:That's... exactly the opposite of how it went. You're right, wierd. So what you're saying is that Bioware used to be as bad at programming as Black Isle?
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Bedlamdan posted:They took it out and replaced it with an actual pin-up pose that also includes her butt, so I have no idea why Blizzard even bothered in the first place. Because it was never about "oh no she has an rear end," which is what the robocops all got into a frenzy about, because they're stupid as hell. It was about the pose not fitting the character. Lo and behold the new pose does.
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Apr 6, 2016 22:40
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For the record, this is what the character actually says. It's behind at least two other conversation prompts where you ask her about the origin of her name. That's all. For this there are multiple videos of dudes killing the character and people cheering them on for sticking it to the SJWs and bad review spamming.
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Apr 6, 2016 22:56
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Terrible Opinions posted:You're right, wierd. So what you're saying is that Bioware used to be as bad at programming as Black Isle?
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Apr 6, 2016 22:56
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why do peopel keep saying "robotcop"
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Apr 6, 2016 23:02
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Countblanc posted:why do peopel keep saying "robotcop" It's a hilarious wordfilter for the letters S J and W next to each other.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:10
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ProfessorCirno posted:Because it was never about "oh no she has an rear end," which is what the robocops all got into a frenzy about, because they're stupid as hell. It was about the pose not fitting the character. Lo and behold the new pose does. 
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Apr 6, 2016 23:10
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I don't really know anything about this controversy or character, but, technically, he never disagreed that it was a pin-up pose.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:16
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Kai Tave posted:It's a hilarious wordfilter for the letters S J and W next to each other. Dang, Lowtax does it again.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:22
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ProfessorCirno posted:Because it was never about "oh no she has an rear end," which is what the robocops all got into a frenzy about, because they're stupid as hell. It was about the pose not fitting the character. Lo and behold the new pose does. When I read the post about it, the complaint was that the rear end-shot reduced a "spunky, fun character" to a sex object, and being sexualized didn't make sense for Tracer. So it's solved by putting her into a slightly different pose that still shows off her rear end?  Anyway the controversy over the pose always sounded silly and I'll just end by saying that I also think the line for Minsc does not fit the character at all, hence my bitching about Beamdog's quality as writers.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:37
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Tbh I don't understand why video game designers feel the need to sexualize their characters at all these days when people on the internet will have done it for them within like a week for free. Overwatch isn't even a full fledged game yet and you can already probably find copious amounts of porn involving the characters.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:44
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Kai Tave posted:Tbh I don't understand why video game designers feel the need to sexualize their characters at all these days when people on the internet will have done it for them within like a week for free. Overwatch isn't even a full fledged game yet and you can already probably find copious amounts of porn involving the characters. A mixture between toxic elements in gaming culture, the male gaze, old myths in marketing, and the fact most video game programmers work 60-80 hour weeks in tiny, dark cubicles.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:47
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Kai Tave posted:Tbh I don't understand why video game designers feel the need to sexualize their characters at all these days when people on the internet will have done it for them within like a week for free. Overwatch isn't even a full fledged game yet and you can already probably find copious amounts of porn involving the characters. Being sexualized is normal for women in patriarchy, so it seems entirely normal to do it to fictional characters.
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Terrible Opinions posted:So what you're saying is that Bioware used to be as bad at programming as Black Isle? Used to be? Brainiac Five posted:Being sexualized is normal for women in patriarchy, so it seems entirely normal to do it to fictional characters. That, and the traditional audience for games are boys/young men, who will drool over any piece of pixelated flesh presented to them.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:52
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Slimnoid posted:Used to be? Glad someone else had the same reaction I did. 
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Apr 6, 2016 23:53
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unseenlibrarian posted:For the record, this is what the character actually says. It's behind at least two other conversation prompts where you ask her about the origin of her name.
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dwarf74 posted:Holy poo poo, that's it?  is that really what's causing all this bullshit
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Apr 7, 2016 00:06
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Captain Foo posted:
Bigots need no bigger reason to hate someone or something than its existence.
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Apr 7, 2016 00:10
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Good news: in response to all the complaints, Beamdog decided to change some things. Specifically, they decided she needed a bigger and more important role. (Oh and I guess they removed the Minsc quote?)
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Apr 7, 2016 02:03
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Mors Rattus posted:Good news: in response to all the complaints, Beamdog decided to change some things. Good. The former actually gives the character a reason to exist beyond stating her gender and existence, while the latter was incompetent and did not fit the character 
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Covok posted:Bigots need no bigger reason to hate someone or something than its existence. I know, but still
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Apr 7, 2016 02:33
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I hate to go back to a previous topic, but Wyrd is again trying to have an open discussion on it and clarifying their position in regards to sexism/misogyny in gaming.
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Mors Rattus posted:Good news: in response to all the complaints, Beamdog decided to change some things. SeemsGood
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Apr 7, 2016 14:51
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Wordfilter. Any time something makes no sense, like SJW or hth or cuck, quote the post and you'll see what they were trying to say.
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Apr 7, 2016 14:52
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Yeah, so forget the nice things I said about ENWorld's thread on harassment.
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dwarf74 posted:Yeah, so forget the nice things I said about ENWorld's thread on harassment. Quelle surprise.
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Apr 7, 2016 18:39
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dwarf74 posted:Yeah, so forget the nice things I said about ENWorld's thread on harassment. That's okay, I'm sure the mods there will try to keep the worst people underdontraahahahaha I can't even finish that sentence.
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Apr 7, 2016 18:54
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Aren't those the people that applauded the Order of the Scarlet Lady or whatever it was called?
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demota posted:Aren't those the people that applauded the Order of the Scarlet Lady or whatever it was called? ENWorld is basically run on tone policing. You can say whatever you want so long as you're not mean about it, no matter how mean/gross your actual content is.
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Again, expect absolutely nothing from the sister site of CircvsMaximvs, which is little more then an MRA den at this point. ENWorld actively keeps it's shitheads around. Which is basically just this entire problem in a microcosm. Things won't get better until we actively kick the shitheads out, but even major sites like ENWorld refuses to do so.
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Apr 7, 2016 21:18
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ProfessorCirno posted:Again, expect absolutely nothing from the sister site of CircvsMaximvs, which is little more then an MRA den at this point. ENWorld actively keeps it's shitheads around. Said shitheads just make their own awful places instead (RPGsite being a prime example, which is having a loving field day with that tumblr post right now). I mean, at least they'd be over there rather than making everything awful here, but all that can really be done is marginalize the toxic elements and tell people "here be dragons."
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Apr 7, 2016 21:26
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Slimnoid posted:I mean, at least they'd be over there rather than making everything awful here, but all that can really be done is marginalize the toxic elements and tell people "here be dragons." Right, but if you marginalise them enough, the toxic attitude stands a better chance of dying out, since it has fewer people to infect.
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What does it say about the state of the tradgames community that one of the best (relatively) places to discuss them is loving Something Awful?
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It says progress is being made. Whatever "it" may be. 
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Serf posted:What does it say about the state of the tradgames community that one of the best (relatively) places to discuss them is loving Something Awful? SA is also one of the best places to discuss sports. 
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Apr 7, 2016 21:33
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People who have weird toxic opinions are less willing to shell out 10bux for the privilege of posting on a web forum?
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ProfessorCirno posted:Which is basically just this entire problem in a microcosm. Things won't get better until we actively kick the shitheads out, but even major sites like ENWorld refuses to do so. Although today I also learned that it's also an argument to moderation, which is when someone tries to find a solution to two opposing viewpoints that allows both points to be valid. The whole "maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle" bullshit.
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Slimnoid posted:Said shitheads just make their own awful places instead (RPGsite being a prime example, which is having a loving field day with that tumblr post right now). Yeah, except a large enough number of people from RPGsite have accounts at ENWorld. RPGsite's problem is that, quite frankly, no, they haven't been kicked out. One look at the D&D 5e books could tell you that immediately.
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Serf posted:What does it say about the state of the tradgames community that one of the best (relatively) places to discuss them is loving Something Awful? Trust me, the irony hits me on a pretty regular basis.
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