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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


MrL_JaKiri posted:

I guess people are now going to fall over themselves to bring this post up like when TT posted the coconut picture?

Although given that everyone except pissflaps thought this post was unworthy of criticism perhaps there was some ulterior factor to criticising TT hmmm

Yes, & I cannot apologise for my bigotry towards liberals as I do not think it is wrong. That said, yes, Jfairfax's chinky comment was bad & hot on the heels of his weird Ian Paisley-esque anti-Catholic ranting.

Anyway, more important than UKMT posters & their casual racism, there is an interesting article on the New Statesman website. It's by Sazia Awan, former Tory parliamentary candidate who attacks Zac Goldsmith's campaign for London Mayor. Especially criticising the shameful divisive element of the campaign, focusing on Sadiq Khan's religion. Not exactly news, but interesting that he's being openly attacked for it from within his own party.

On this day, in 1712, 23 slaves in New York rose up, set fire to a building & fought off a crowd of white colonists who tried to put it out, killing 9 of them & injuring a further 6. Far as I can tell this was the first slave revolt in British North America.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Apr 6, 2016

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Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Im not watching that, I regret ever watching that first Al-Qaeda one when they sawed his head off.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

forkboy84 posted:


Anyway, more important than UKMT posters & their casual racism, there is an interesting article on the New Statesman website. It's by Sazia Awan, former Tory parliamentary candidate who attacks Zac Goldsmith's campaign for London Mayor. Especially criticising the shameful divisive element of the campaign, focusing on Sadiq Khan's religion. Not exactly news, but interesting that he's being openly attacked for it from within his own party.

I always find it fascinating when someone works for that long in advertising, appears not to be openly evil, and is stupid and credulous enough to be surprised that One Nation has always been a lie. It's a good article, mind.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

forkboy84 posted:

Yes, & I cannot apologise for my bigotry towards liberals as I do not think it is wrong. That said, yes, Jfairfax's chinky comment was bad & hot on the heels of his weird Ian Paisley-esque anti-Catholic ranting.

Anyway, more important than UKMT posters & their casual racism, there is an interesting article on the New Statesman website. It's by Sazia Awan, former Tory parliamentary candidate who attacks Zac Goldsmith's campaign for London Mayor. Especially criticising the shameful divisive element of the campaign, focusing on Sadiq Khan's religion. Not exactly news, but interesting that he's being openly attacked for it from within his own party.

it's an interesting article, but it always amuses me a little bit when minority politicians who join the Conservatives end up being surprised when the party reveals itself to be racist to the core.

I suppose the really intriguing part of that article is that it seems the Tories have been sending different messages to people based on their actual or perceived race / religion.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Extreme0 posted:

To be fair. The coconut post was interesting for the fact that TinTower was an idiot for saying such.

Liberal Democrat with an interest in student politics is an idiot shocker!

Anyway let us celebrate the fact that haranguing David Cameron about his family's tax affairs has taken over from sniping at Corbyn as the media's preferred sport!

forkboy84 posted:

...
Anyway, more important than UKMT posters & their casual racism, there is an interesting article on the New Statesman website. It's by Sazia Awan, former Tory parliamentary candidate who attacks Zac Goldsmith's campaign for London Mayor. Especially criticising the shameful divisive element of the campaign, focusing on Sadiq Khan's religion. Not exactly news, but interesting that he's being openly attacked for it from within his own party.

...

Why is the font size on New Statesman so huge? Is it just me?

Oh my god:

Shazia Awan posted:

Let me be clear, I have met some of my closest friends through the Conservative party. The problems we all knew about were at the grassroots. I never encountered them from those at the heart of leading the party forward until now.

And, pray tell, you never stopped to think about the policies that you were having to put forward to attract the votes of such scum?

Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Apr 6, 2016

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Spangly A posted:

I always find it fascinating when someone works for that long in advertising, appears not to be openly evil, and is stupid and credulous enough to be surprised that One Nation has always been a lie. It's a good article, mind.

I suppose when you join a party for the gently caress You, Got Mine stuff you are able to ignore that other poo poo, or convince yourself it is all in the past & it's all different now. I mean if you can convince yourself that the Conservative Party should be in government then presumably you are fairly good at self-delusion so long as the end result is "more money for me"

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

My work is 90% babysitting people on Sharepoint. :negative:

That was me last year. The nightmare ended when my job was outsourced to Capita

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
There is always more and it is always worse.

dispatch_async
Nov 28, 2014

Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life
EU referendum: £9m cost of taxpayer-funded leaflet warning about the 'damage' of Brexit angers Eurosceptics

Torygraph posted:

Nearly £10million pounds of taxpayers’ money is to be spent sending a leaflet to every UK home warning about the dangers of a “Brexit”, prompting a Cabinet row over the use of public money.

The Government announced on Wednesday night that it was spending more than £9.3million on the pamphlet warning that an EU exit would put jobs at risk and increase the price of household goods.

Boris Johnson and other Eurosceptic ministers accused the Government of using public money to "scare people" ahead of the EU referendum.

Mr Johnson, who attends Mr Cameron’s political Cabinet, called the leaflet a “complete waste of money” and said that it is a “biased and hysterical warning”.

Vote Leave, which is chaired by Michael Gove, the Justice Secretary, said it was a “disgraceful” use of public money and immediately accused Downing Street of announcing the leaflet “to distract from accusations over David Cameron’s tax affairs”.

Mr Gove’s group also accused Mr Cameron of breaking a promise made last year not to issue leaflets to homes ahead of the referendum and said that the Government-backed Remain campaign will now be able to spend double the amount of money that Leave has at its disposal.

:unsmigghh:

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

JFairfax posted:

as it happens I was referencing a Viz cartoon where one of the fat slags asks the other if she "fancies a chinky" and the other says "I'll fancy anyone, I am not racialist" because Pissflaps is from Middlesbrough, the fattest place in the UK and the sort of northern dump where people use chinky in their day to day life.

Viz is from - and The Fat Slags are set in - Newcastle, not Middlesbrough. You're an ignorant bigot.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
tyneside, teeside, you're all horse punchers to me.

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


Guavanaut posted:

Just do a better job than this. (Does not show people being murdered) (Does show liberals and democrats kicking a guy)

I like to imagine that he did pull the trigger but it jammed somehow.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003


I'm a little surprised it's actually legal for the government to spend public money campaigning on political issues.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

forkboy84 posted:

Yes, & I cannot apologise for my bigotry towards liberals as I do not think it is wrong.

The distinction is between criticising someone for their political beliefs, and making a big song and dance about racism only because of someone's political beliefs. You don't need to do the latter to do the former.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

JFairfax posted:

tyneside, teeside, you're all horse punchers to me.

If it's your intention to upset and shock people then congratulations you've succeeded. I hope you're proud of yourself. Troll.

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Pissflaps posted:

Viz is from - and The Fat Slags are set in - Newcastle, not Middlesbrough. You're an ignorant bigot.

Wrong. The Fat Slags live in Fulchester. :eng101:

Mousepractice
Jan 30, 2005

A pint of plain is your only man

Gove is still mad after Cameron made him use private donors for his stupid scheme to send a bible to every school. That was a comparative snip at only £370,000 but it's salt in the wound, eh?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

OwlFancier posted:

I'm not sure you can ban explosive precursors given that it would arguably include nearly all forms of fixed nitrogen.

Including your own piss.

When you think about it my kidneys might get done for aiding terrorism.

There's precursors and precursors though. with *FNA, AN, or even pure ammonia, all kinds of excitingly excitable compounds are just a few steps away. Piss (and birdshit) are certainly a source of nitro compounds, sure, but you need a *lot* of them and some fairly serious kit to make anything more interesting than gunpowder, which every corner shop in the country is full of for two months of the year.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Noxville posted:

I'm a little surprised it's actually legal for the government to spend public money campaigning on political issues.

Given that everything the government does is inherently political.....


edit: I guess the distinction here is that it's not party political?

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Noxville posted:

I'm a little surprised it's actually legal for the government to spend public money campaigning on political issues.

the AV referendum wasn't ? The "he needs a new app" #

which given the money involved was already spent would mean that the British government were openly flaunting the things they weren't going to buy,

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

There's precursors and precursors though. with *FNA, AN, or even pure ammonia, all kinds of excitingly excitable compounds are just a few steps away. Piss (and birdshit) are certainly a source of nitro compounds, sure, but you need a *lot* of them and some fairly serious kit to make anything more interesting than gunpowder, which every corner shop in the country is full of for two months of the year.
I remember a short while after the 7/7 bombings the news media making a big deal out of the fact that the bombs (or maybe the failed ones shortly after) used dastardly foreign chapati flour.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

I remember a short while after the 7/7 bombings the news media making a big deal out of the fact that the bombs (or maybe the failed ones shortly after) used dastardly foreign chapati flour.

It was the failed ones on 21/7. They followed a recipe they got off the internet, and there's all sorts of interesting theories about that.

The 7/7 ones (probably - it's never been officially confirmed or denied) used a recipe that's actually pretty easy to make out of chemicals easily obtainable from any beauty salon which are still uncontrolled because the purification steps are so ridiculously hazardous that it might be the very first time that it was successfully done from non-controlled ingredients without killing the bomb-maker first.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

MrL_JaKiri is right and I stand with them. If by stand I mean sit boredly nearby picking my nose.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

goddamnedtwisto posted:

It was the failed ones on 21/7. They followed a recipe they got off the internet, and there's all sorts of interesting theories about that.

The 7/7 ones (probably - it's never been officially confirmed or denied) used a recipe that's actually pretty easy to make out of chemicals easily obtainable from any beauty salon which are still uncontrolled because the purification steps are so ridiculously hazardous that it might be the very first time that it was successfully done from non-controlled ingredients without killing the bomb-maker first.

so probably not then

edit: i suppose it would be nice to think the only reason there hasn't been a similarly successful attack since is because everyone has failed to make the bomb but it seems more likely that people have given the game away or left the country

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

goddamnedtwisto posted:

it might be the very first time that it was successfully done from non-controlled ingredients without killing the bomb-maker first.

well, it did kill them first, on a microsecond scale

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

It was the failed ones on 21/7. They followed a recipe they got off the internet, and there's all sorts of interesting theories about that.

The 7/7 ones (probably - it's never been officially confirmed or denied) used a recipe that's actually pretty easy to make out of chemicals easily obtainable from any beauty salon which are still uncontrolled because the purification steps are so ridiculously hazardous that it might be the very first time that it was successfully done from non-controlled ingredients without killing the bomb-maker first.
What kind of theories?

If the 7/7 ones used what I think they did then they might be the first to do it on a backpack scale, but I know that people have done it on a smaller scale. Mostly because they showed up in articles on hobby engineering news sites after losing some fingers.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jose posted:

so probably not then

edit: i suppose it would be nice to think the only reason there hasn't been a similarly successful attack since is because everyone has failed to make the bomb but it seems more likely that people have given the game away or left the country

Quite a lot of attacks have been foiled because of precursor controls - the Crawley guys, for a start.

Frankly though, even taking terrorism out of the equation, I'm happy that it's harder to buy nitric acid than it is to buy vinegar. If nothing else it's almost certainly saved hundreds of idiot teenagers taking the quick route to heaven through their shed roof the first time they download the Anarchists Cookbook.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

goddamnedtwisto posted:

idiot teenagers taking the quick route to heaven through their shed roof the first time they download the Anarchists Cookbook.

Yeah that is idiotic, it's cheaply available on Amazon dot co dot uk.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i made that post and then my internet died for 30 seconds. suspicious imo

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I'm surprised that Goldsmith hasn't made more of a deal about how Sadiq Khan's name sounds like Sidique Khan.

Because he's the type of complete tool to try something like that.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

What kind of theories?

If the 7/7 ones used what I think they did then they might be the first to do it on a backpack scale, but I know that people have done it on a smaller scale. Mostly because they showed up in articles on hobby engineering news sites after losing some fingers.

Well as I mentioned the Anarchists Cookbook, one of the original authors (or at least someone claiming to be one of the original authors) turned up around the time of the textfiles.com takedown to claim his recipes had been edited by persons unknown to make their synthesis much, much more dangerous to the maker than his originals.

Those with longer memories and better chemistry knowledge scoffed at his claims (and even point out that the original synthesis for nitric acid in his version was absolutely guaranteed to cause a (small) explosion), but after the Mossad timers thing (they intercepted a bunch of timers destined for the PLO and changed them for ones which detonated after a minute) it's not completely impossible that there are explosives recipes out there designed either to kill the bomb maker, or, even more subtly, to make an impressive bang when made in small quantities but likely to not detonate at all in larger quantities.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jose posted:

i made that post and then my internet died for 30 seconds. suspicious imo

I AM NEITHER A CO CONSPIRATOR OR KNOWN ASSOCIATE OF THIS MAN AND I THOROUGHLY DENOUNCE HIS EXTREMIST WAYS.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Guavanaut posted:

I'm surprised that Goldsmith hasn't made more of a deal about how Sadiq Khan's name sounds like Sidique Khan.

Because he's the type of complete tool to try something like that.

Back at school there was a girl called Davina Bellerby, one of my classmates asked in all earnestness if she was related to David Bellamy because both parts of her name sounded a bit similar.

hit button
Mar 18, 2012


Since you're talking about *FNA anyway, thanks to whoever it was earlier in the thread that recommended Ignition! by John D Clark. I wasn't expecting a history of propellant chemistry to be one of the funniest things I've ever read.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Well as I mentioned the Anarchists Cookbook, one of the original authors (or at least someone claiming to be one of the original authors) turned up around the time of the textfiles.com takedown to claim his recipes had been edited by persons unknown to make their synthesis much, much more dangerous to the maker than his originals.

Those with longer memories and better chemistry knowledge scoffed at his claims (and even point out that the original synthesis for nitric acid in his version was absolutely guaranteed to cause a (small) explosion), but after the Mossad timers thing (they intercepted a bunch of timers destined for the PLO and changed them for ones which detonated after a minute) it's not completely impossible that there are explosives recipes out there designed either to kill the bomb maker, or, even more subtly, to make an impressive bang when made in small quantities but likely to not detonate at all in larger quantities.
I guess the moral here is know your source. It's orders of magnitude less likely that they'd be able to do that to a peer reviewed academic text than ~oOo~l33t_chemz~oOo.txt

Secondary moral of don't make any organic peroxides at all even for fun if you value fingat

Don't do a terrorism either, but that may or may not include drawing a cucumber in day nursery now.

TheHoodedClaw
Jul 26, 2008

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Back at school there was a girl called Davina Bellerby

She makes nice curtains.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

Guavanaut posted:

Don't do a terrorism either, but that may or may not include drawing a cucumber in day nursery now.

Hastily closing the lid of your laptop when the fuzz/your parents walk by :jihad:

Hanging out with a new group of friends :jihad:

Loss of interest in old hobbies :jihad:

Staying up late, mood swings, new hair growth in embarrassing places, vaginal cramps :jihad:

Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Apr 6, 2016

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Don't forget the all important compounding factors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO8EpfyCG2Y

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

JFairfax posted:

sort of northern dump where people use chinky in their day to day life.

It isn't just in norther dumps either. Even in developed cities like Newcastle is now, you get people using terms like "the chinky's" for chinese takeout places, or "the paki shop" for any corner store still. It's thankfully on the decline thanks to influxes of migrants and students, which makes certain sections of people salty. Sections of people who still frequent Working Men's Clubs.

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Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Ugh. Working class people. Yuck.

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