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open24hours posted:The Greens are a newish party that really formed to represent environmental issues and have had to pick up the slack on other issues since the ALP decided it didn't want to be a socialist party anymore. A lot of people who vote ALP think they're voting for a socialist party. Basically, yeah. They're also small enough for the big two parties and right-wing media to push around, while being a big enough target for that to actually be in some way viable. Australia's actually very left when it comes to social issues--70% approval of gay marriage and all that good stuff. But you wouldn't know that looking at our politicians and news media, which has also led to the entire country's perception of politics being very (rightly) cynical. Especially since we haven't really had a 'mainstream left' figure to revitalize people since party politics and his own controlling nature hosed over Rudd. We could really use an Obama or Trudeau-type politican, and they would loving excel, but chances are pretty low that Australian politics at this time could produce such a person on a stage big enough for that to actually work. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Sludge Tank posted:http://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/jordies-on-spec#.ccRbbbzzL yeah gently caress the unions
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Recoome posted:I thought ALP were progressive but here we are One state doesn't make up the party. You might have noticed we have a Federal Government and there are other states. At the moment, you seem to be getting hard because the QLD Government haven't extended funding past 2017, something that is 2 budget cycles away and saying they will extend it now won't actually mean anything until they need to stump up the cash in the 2017/18 budget, it might even be the 2018/19 budget that the cash needs to be available. So let's just wait and see if that ends up happening. At the moment, you're getting angry over a hypothetical. The better approach for the Government, let the hype die down, quietly extend the funding when it's out of the papers and the shitstain LNP can't use it against you. SeekOtherCandidate posted:wow here i was expecting you to put in the standard labor online hack effort but drat here you are writing off a state that less than two years ago the left were calling the jewel in their crown and the apparent key to ~finally~ getting national control again "the left were calling" Like, maybe you/this thread were calling it that? The ALP turfing CanDo in a term is a big deal. But QLD isn't the great hope progressive state. Like I said, there are no Greens. It isn't a progressive state, it's pretty conservative. Grouchio posted:Is there a good reason why the Greens have so little popular support? Is Australia just generally more conservative? Yes EvilElmo fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Anidav posted:Nah seriously the extent QLD Labor <3 Mining is Liberal levels of disgusting. Sunshine State and we have no government supporting Solar. Why would a traditionally blue collar working class party not endorse and support an industry that is entirely blue collar working class? Especially so in a state where said industry is the largest part of that states economy? Do you think before you post or what m8? QLD is the state with the most decentralised population in Australia, there's more to it than just Brisbane. thatfatkid fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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EvilElmo posted:I really like the alp Ok so first of all LC is right, qld best state and the north is the best. All you southern fuckers can gently caress up about your jealousy wank. And you only have to look at one thing and everything else falls into place: donations. Alp looks after who can pay them, that's the start and the end of the whole argument. The adani mine is going to kill a zillion tourism/hospitality jobs. Due to demarcation agreements the union responsible for these workers(united voice) can't campaign against the mine because it's on AWU turf. They (literally the people working in the office) like to think of themselves as "labor left", "green friendly", "human", but they've been cowed by big money. The 1500 mining jobs, at the cost of the entire qld tourism industry, has government approval because awu has more money than uv. I'm just a hick queenslander whose only markerable skills are cow-tipping and smoking weed so this is entirely restricted to qld, glad to hear fed alp doesn't take dodgy donations that influence their decisions (aka corruption).
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all of those labor 'left' people cheering about the left getting a majority of queensland and this heralding a massive change in the national balance of power and that the left would get control this year, you'll see, it won't be like the last thirty times we've said that.... all of that must have just been my imagination, then.
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thatfatkid posted:Why would a traditionally blue collar working class party not endorse and support an industry that is entirely blue collar working class? Especially so in a state where said industry is the largest part of that states economy? Do you think before you post or what m8? http://www.qgso.qld.gov.au/products/reports/employment-by-industry/employment-by-industry-201603.pdf By employment, mining doesn't even get its own bar graph. http://www.qgso.qld.gov.au/products/reports/qld-econ-review/qld-econ-review-201301.pdf The only place it gets a top spot is by export income. https://www.qrc.org.au/_dbase_upl/QueenslandStory2015_final.pdf 65 billion towards a total state GSP of 300 billion is at best 20%. Why at best? Because those are rabidly inflated figures from the Queensland Resources Council. Here's a more accurate picture:  (That's from Qld Treasury) Your second point (not quoted) is however right on the money and is why Qld needs to look for less concentrated ways of developing its economy. Having a couple of big mining regions means they get a good deal while everyone else eats crow. At least agriculture tends to be disbursed as can be tourism. The mining road is a one way trip to oblivion.  If the worlds economy picks up (which ironically may be due to more readily available power in India) then betting on coal is, at best, a steady financial investment. It is however a terrible 'investment' in pollution and a huge risk to the Tourism sector which had at least the promise of sustainablility. Those big numbers from mining are the total cash side of things. The amount of money that Queensland ultimately sees from Coal is tiny compared to a sector like Tourism. -/- Those in the ALP camp who keep bagging the Greens need to wake up and read the polling numbers (Or actually pay attention when Antony Green is talking).  LNP primary votes ~ 43 % ALP primary votes ~ 34 % This is partly because nobody can really tell who is who and what they stand for so 'team' loyalties count for a bunch in those figures. Neither of them can get past 50% without the help of at least preferences from: Greens primary votes ~ 11 % Others primary votes ~ 12 % At least the Greens are a coherent block of votes. That 12% contains a huge proportion of politically motivated nut jobs sprayed across the political spectrum from Right to Left like hundreds and thousands on a birthday cake. Even the better of the 'others' like Xenophon are likely to have a hugely mixed bag of positions across the broad range of policies. Now if the Greens direct preference to the LNP it is 100% game over for the ALP. 43 + 11 = a boot stamping in the face of Australia for at least another 3 years. Even with the Green's unfettered preference support the ALP ( 34 + 11 = 45%) need nearly as large a chunk of the nut job pie as the LNP to get over the line. That's why I reckon a majority labour is a complete pipe dream and the best any of us can hope for is a minority Labour government at the next federal poll. The truely scariest of all notions is if the two majors go into some sort of lock step alliance as they do over the majority of terrible poo poo anyway. 43 + 34 = We are very very very hosed.
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kirbysuperstar posted:
Why do they want him fired? I dont watch the show and the facebool about page was blank.
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katlington posted:Why do they want him fired? I dont watch the show and the facebool about page was blank. My guess is 'brown and not cool with racism'. Like Adam Goodes.
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Cartoon posted:You are so full of poo poo it is astonishing: If the greens start preferencing the LNP I'd drop my membership and go back to voting Labor. That said though, Labor preferencing the LNP as well so 
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Actually it's because they think he is a secret ISIS and is just pretending to hate ISIS. No joke.
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Waleed is a highly visible contradiction to their narrative about Muslims. Therefore he must be destroyed.
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Wheezle posted:Waleed is a highly visible contradiction to their narrative about Muslims. Therefore he must be destroyed. Excuse me, I think you will find he's actually engaging in taqqiya and is working as a covert Islamic operative to bring down the country. Also Marxism is involved. 
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Practising Christians are vastly overrepresented in parliament, that's why Australian politics is so out of sync with Australian popular opinion.
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Bill Shorten is expected to be in Brisbane today to announce federal funding for the cross river rail if elected with no such pledge coming from Turdball.
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Anidav posted:I think Queensland closed all their monorails and sold one of them to Sea World. I think the casino up in Broadbeach runs one too? It used to be a lot bigger. Yep it is still there.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Whyalla wipe-out? But they got rid of the carbon tax and everything! It seems hilarious to me that Whyalla is in the news now when this has been coming for a long long time. I want to say it was 98 when we had our first taste of what a slump in steel prices would do but even before that the steelworks was in trouble. From 95 to 97 they had been hiring on new trainees fresh out of high school since someone noticed the workforce was ageing, they were losing too many highly skilled/knowledgable people to retirement and getting graduates from out of town/out of state wasn't working as city kids couldn't handle living out here and wouldn't stay. So they tried hiring local which is when I started there. They arranged with the Whyalla campus of Unisa to run the required courses for various engineering and metallurgical trainees, paying wages and paying for uni. In 98 the money for trainees ran out and the program was halted, they also laid off a lot of maintenance/engineering people so almost every department no longer had a person with free time to spend training or coaching the remaining trainees. All the mechanical engineering trainees quit in 99 after the university stopped running the courses locally, I mean why would they with no new students coming in? Working for 6 months then living in Adelaide for 6 months to continue with Uni wasn't acceptable so that's why those trainees quit so all that training money was spent for nothing, from the company's point of view. BHP got out of steelmaking in the early 2000s and tried to sell the long products division but no one would buy it. Newcastle closed down completely and that had always been a sister site to us, we would swap scientists, engineers and managers between sites so suddenly that was a pool of resources gone. After being on the market for ages and no one buying despite some low ball offers, the company was spun off as onesteel. Various departments experienced the same kind of thing in miniature, all people paid off or transferred to "the pool" while a contractor was brought in to take over. The pool was where they put people who they couldn't fire and didn't want to pay retrenchment for, and had them either sitting around doing nothing or doing awful labour jobs like sweeping the Coke dust off the top of the Coke ovens, until they couldn't handle it any more and quit. Anyway the railways department went, refractories, I think BOC came in and took over running the liquid oxygen plant, etc. Slowly whittled away year after year. The blast furnace was relined ending in 2004 and that project didn't go very well, there were contract disputes and they moved to a new technology at the top end of the furnace which loaded the materials in a different way so it made the furnace operate differently and by now all the best furnace operators had long retired and the newer guys did not have the experience to compensate for the different way the furnace was functioning. At around the same time, they went ahead with project magnet, which was converting the process which previously used hematite ore, which we running low on, to be able to use magnetite ore which was lying around in piles having been discarded as not good enough. Hematite ore is around 65% iron whereas the magnetite needed to be concentrated before it could be processed. The ore is pelletised before it is put into the furnace to become iron, and there were a lot of problems working out how to make the new ore pelletise properly. Meanwhile we just started exporting what was left of our good hematite ore since it was still valuable, oops maybe we contributed to our own demise by flooding the market? Who knows. So a combination of a new furnace and new pellets going into the furnace resulted in a furnace that didn't control the same as before, and we were cut off from help from scientists from other sites to help work it out. I'm pretty sure the furnace clogged up more and needed to be chipped out more than once, which leads to down time and millions lost in production each time. I left in 2005 and the steelworks was barely a shell of what it had been like in 1995. No one local blamed the carbon tax as far as I remember. Ten years is short enough that you could see which way the wind was blowing but long enough to not be able to pinpoint any one thing as being to blame. And it's been 10 more years since then I guess and at no point in the last 20 years did anyone step in with a strategy to keep the steelworks going in case of a continuing slump in growth or a slump in prices, even though we'd seen it happen a few times already. If we'd kept processing hematite we would have ran out in around 2020, so switching to magnetite made some sense assuming that people would still want to buy steel. But it seems that was a false assumption. It feels like the ship has been sinking for ages but there are no lifeboats. The town isn't left with much, all the farmland surrounding is owned by the army now, the cuttlefish breeding ground is a bit too niche to support a tourist industry especially since the competing tourist industry is a proposed dolphin centre (and dolphins eat cuttlefish).
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If you want another example of why Australian's don't vote Green take these calls for a Royal Commission into the Financial Sector being talked about today, not once on ABC Radio today did they mention that the Greens have been calling for this for months, if not years. Peter Whish-Wilson has brought it up in the senate a few times recently but even lefty ABC only reports that a liberal backbencher has called for action and that Labor agree. Same with negative gearing a few months ago, no mention that the Greens have been calling to dump negative gearing when mentioning it's now Labor policy. It's good since the Greens are obviously putting pressure on Labor to actually adopt some good policies but it does make it hard for the Greens to get their message out there when the media completely ignores them most of the time.
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turdbucket posted:It's good since the Greens are obviously putting pressure on Labor to actually adopt some good policies but it does make it hard for the Greens to get their message out there when the media completely ignores them most of the time. Greens aren't a meal ticket to journalists yet, if ever. It would be a nice surprise if they do well enough in the coming election to rate a mention, but it'll be in the negative. I believe this situation is the new norm, we won't be going back to comfortable major control without a Tampa-like external event. That means minority government at best for ALP which will look increasingly foolish if they want to keep demonising their minor partners, a blessing for LNP. It means ongoing frustration for the LNP in the Senate because it will remain hostile. And meanwhile a steady trickle of voters will move away permanently from both majors until there is a tipping point which is the great fear of both, which is also while we'll see an ongoing narrative of electoral "reform" and even the possibility of fixed terms, anything to shake up the mix and give them hope.
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Stoca Zola posted:Whyalla Sounds like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.
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asio posted:Ok so first of all LC is right, qld best state and the north is the best. All you southern fuckers can gently caress up about your jealousy wank. Greens don't take donations? Like many predictions put from the Greens, the idea that QLD tourism will completely die due to one mine is pretty laughable. edit: But as always, since this mine is horrible and unpopular and everyone is against it and 90% of QLD will be out of work because of it. I look forward to the Greens romping it in at the next election in the QLD. Or, they won't, because it won't have a major impact on the tourism industry or wider QLD employment. And further proof that QLD is a poo poo state will occur and the Greens won't win a seat. SeekOtherCandidate posted:all of those labor 'left' people cheering about the left getting a majority of queensland and this heralding a massive change in the national balance of power and that the left would get control this year, you'll see, it won't be like the last thirty times we've said that.... all of that must have just been my imagination, then. Citation required. EvilElmo fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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Choppergate Z! http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...407-go0qgx.htmlquote:It was the day before Easter in Drake, a sleepy village in northern NSW, when the peace was interrupted by a helicopter depositing Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce on a sporting field behind the popular local pub, the Lunatic Hotel.
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EvilElmo posted:Greens don't take donations? I'm not certain, but I believe that the Greens don't take organizational donations. My boss can make an individual donation to the Greens, but he couldn't make one on behalf of our whole company. I don't know how unions work with it, but I think it's the same thing, although there's other ways they can show support. And it's not like the Greens are facing bidding wars like that anyway.
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Cleretic posted:I'm not certain, but I believe that the Greens don't take organizational donations. My boss can make an individual donation to the Greens, but he couldn't make one on behalf of our whole company. I don't know how unions work with it, but I think it's the same thing, although there's other ways they can show support. Don't see anything like that in their donations policy, but happy to be corrected. I'm pretty sure the Greens are mostly bankrolled by the ETU in some states. asio posted:
Sorry read this again. Why is this AWU turf? And not the union with Mining in the title, CFMEU.
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Industries that have collapsed under LNP rule: Steel Automotive Shipping? Research? Anyone come up with anything else? Just as well we went all in on safe bets like coal or we'd be in some real strife right now.
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Cleretic posted:I'm not certain, but I believe that the Greens don't take organizational donations. My boss can make an individual donation to the Greens, but he couldn't make one on behalf of our whole company. I don't know how unions work with it, but I think it's the same thing, although there's other ways they can show support. That's right. At least in Queensland and I presume nationally the Greens don't take donations other than from individuals. EvilElmo posted:Don't see anything like that in their donations policy, but happy to be corrected. I'm pretty sure the Greens are mostly bankrolled by the ETU in some states. I loving wish, that kind of money could buy seconds of airtime on local radio. The price of coherent ethics.
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I was listening to a "please give blood" plea on the radio this morning, and a thought occurred to me - why not (as long as it is medically ok) make Centrelink conditional on being a blood donor? You could set up donation centers inside Centrelink offices and make it part of the regular appointment. If you're unemployed you're not exactly short of time like most workers. The Red Cross would save money on advertisements and mobile vans. It could save a heap of lives with no real downside.
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Anidav posted:Telecommunications. It was really depressing to work at the nbn when the LNP came in. So much wasted talent and money.
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