|
Butterbumps sneaks into the sept every night and takes a dook in tywin's open stomach potpourri. This is also a beautiful image.
|
#
?
Apr 2, 2016 06:16
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 19:56 |
|
|
maybe the poison made all his poop go into his dick and thats what made him horny and stinky
|
|
#
?
Apr 2, 2016 06:39
|
|
|
zVxTeflon posted:maybe the poison made all his poop go into his dick and thats what made him horny and stinky So Tyrion saved Shae from a poison death as well, a true humanitarian.
|
|
#
?
Apr 2, 2016 09:00
|
|
lezard_valeth posted:The graphic was drawn based on a Storm of Swords. And it uses a weird criteria. Connections are made whenever a character name pops up 15 words away from another character name. That is why, for example, Illyrio is not connected to Varys, Rickon is not connected to Jon, or Joffrey is not connected to Robert (my eyes bled out trying to make that out), or some weird connections pop up like Brienne - Lysa Arrin, Balon Greyjoy - Sansa or Amory Loch - Oberyn. It's an easy to parse criteria.
|
|
|
#
?
Apr 2, 2016 10:36
|
|
|
lezard_valeth posted:The main problem with this theory is that even if it's magical plot poison, the bodies of the inhabitants of ASoIaF are pretty much still human with some exceptions. Tywin should have developed symptoms way sooner (fever, swelling, jaundice among others), and even if his pride would initially stop him from going up to a Maester and admiting he has not been able to poop, after a while he would have realized something was amiss. And he would most certainly not be in the mood for sex. Or maybe some bodies just stink more then others In any case, I bet we will never know for sure
|
|
#
?
Apr 2, 2016 13:06
|
|
|
I thought there were some suggestive statements indicating Tywin was consulting a maester about some health concerns? The thing I like about the theory is it helps make some of Oberyn's choices make sense. If you assume he came to King's Landing to kill Tywin and the Mountain, killing one and then demanding trial by combat to face the other makes sense.
|
|
#
?
Apr 2, 2016 13:36
|
|
|
lifts cats over head posted:I thought there were some suggestive statements indicating Tywin was consulting a maester about some health concerns? The thing I like about the theory is it helps make some of Oberyn's choices make sense. If you assume he came to King's Landing to kill Tywin and the Mountain, killing one and then demanding trial by combat to face the other makes sense. His plan seems to have been to get the Mountain to implicate Tywin during the fight. Which nearly worked, except hubris.
|
|
#
?
Apr 2, 2016 18:35
|
|
|
OrthoTrot posted:His plan seems to have been to get the Mountain to implicate Tywin during the fight. Which nearly worked, except hubris. True but the fight was for Tyrion and he would have had no way of knowing that that the trial would come about unless he knew someone of note would die. Or he just seized the opportunity when it arose which is also possible.
|
|
#
?
Apr 2, 2016 20:24
|
|
|
 This was a pretty good April Fool's Day post I just saw.http://abnormaluse.com/2016/04/in-game-of-thrones-litigation-south-carolina-state-court-enters-judgment-against-george-r-r-martin.html quote:Bill McCammon, a librarian and blogger from Greer, South Carolina, sued HBO and Martin in federal court following the finale of the most recent season of “Game of Thrones” in June of 2015. In so doing, he asserted various causes of action against Martin, including a claim for “negligent artistry,” alienation of affection, and a novel use of laches, which is traditionally an affirmative defense asserted by defendants against plaintiffs accused of unreasonable delay. In the complaint, McCammon further complained that he had “suffered a loss of moral superiority, as his status as a reader of the novels provided him with foreknowledge of the events of the HBO series, thereby distinguishing him from mere watchers of popular television.” Martin’s delay, McCammon contended, cost him that “precious” status. McCammon further contended that HBO was vicariously liable for Martin’s torts in light of their artistic relationship. quote:Adopting McCammon’s laches theory, the Court observed that “art, unlike molasses, must move quickly, and thus, an artist’s unreasonable delay in releasing a promised work must subject that creator to liability.” quote:In response to the ruling, Martin, through his literary agent, declined to comment, saying he was too busy working on other projects to prepare a response to the ruling. Turdis McWordis fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Apr 2, 2016 |
|
#
?
Apr 2, 2016 20:47
|
|
|
That's fantastic. Though they should have called it "Milk of the Sugar Cane" instead of molasses.
|
|
#
?
Apr 2, 2016 23:24
|
|
|
lifts cats over head posted:I thought there were some suggestive statements indicating Tywin was consulting a maester about some health concerns? The thing I like about the theory is it helps make some of Oberyn's choices make sense. If you assume he came to King's Landing to kill Tywin and the Mountain, killing one and then demanding trial by combat to face the other makes sense. There's a whole lot of evidence someone with more time than me wrote out: quote:“Where will I find my lord father?” Either way it doesn't matter much whether or not he was poisoned in the scheme of things either he wrote it that way deliberately and it's a cool little nod to Oberyn being a bad rear end, or its coincidence, who cares. Gettin' hype for the season. lifts cats over head posted:True but the fight was for Tyrion and he would have had no way of knowing that that the trial would come about unless he knew someone of note would die. Or he just seized the opportunity when it arose which is also possible. When Oberyn came to take his seat at the council he had already made his intentions known of wanting both Elia's killer and whomever gave the order. The assumption was that Oberyn would have been given the mountain at some point, likely Tywin was going to drag out giving him the Mountain for as long as humanly possible and secure his families hold the kingdom by whatever means he could i.e. The only thing that matters was the perception of Tywin as innocent. Oberyn saw his opportunity to get revenge with his own hands when Tyrion demanded trial by combat and took it. His efforts to get The Mountain to name Tywin was to drive a wedge between the Dorne and Lannister alliance. Remember at this point Dorne is simmering a little bit with one half of the kingdom wanting to go to war, the other half wanting peace. Oberyn and Doran are at odds over this with Doran preaching patience - hoping his ploy to marry Danny and whatshisface who gets cooked comes off allowing Dorne and Danny to rally Targ loyalists etc and do what they do later. Oberyn's ploy trying to get Tywin named is pretty much to throw that alliance into disarry because Doran would have to respond. So Oberyn isn't exactly a mastermind here but he's pretty much trying to force his brother to attack or at least to act with some kind of immediacy.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2016 11:35
|
|
|
lifts cats over head posted:I thought there were some suggestive statements indicating Tywin was consulting a maester about some health concerns? The thing I like about the theory is it helps make some of Oberyn's choices make sense. If you assume he came to King's Landing to kill Tywin and the Mountain, killing one and then demanding trial by combat to face the other makes sense. A character's decisions in a narrative should probably make sense without having to comb random bits of dialogue to find out that the character had a secret plot to do something which we will never actually find out was true or not and which didn't actually affect the story in any meaningful way.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2016 11:46
|
|
|
Pedro De Heredia posted:A character's decisions in a narrative should probably make sense without having to comb random bits of dialogue to find out that the character had a secret plot to do something which we will never actually find out was true or not and which didn't actually affect the story in any meaningful way. The entire series is written in POVs from unreliable narrators. Most of the appeal is finding all the little clues and poo poo to things that aren't directly expressed.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2016 13:25
|
|
|
didnt that poison just cause someones bowels not to function effectively causing death through sepsis or septic shock? I dont recall anywhere it stating that it would cause a dead body to smell excessively and putrify.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2016 13:48
|
|
|
Considering what happens when Tyrion shoots him, did the crossbow bolt have an antidote on it? You'd think something like what Pycelle describes wouldn't stop working the second the person dies.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2016 16:17
|
|
|
Pedro De Heredia posted:A character's decisions in a narrative should probably make sense without having to comb random bits of dialogue to find out that the character had a secret plot to do something which we will never actually find out was true or not and which didn't actually affect the story in any meaningful way. I agree that a character's decisions should usually make sense without scrabbling for random dialogue and subtle clues, but only if they affect the plot in some way. Given that it didn't matter whether or not Oberyn poisoned Tywin before he died, it doesn't really matter if you missed his hidden agenda, and you might never even suspect you missed anything unless you read internet forums. I actually think little hidden plots like this just add to the believability of the world - not everything a character does is relevant.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2016 16:27
|
|
|
Okay tyrion didn't lean over and inspect the privy for actual poop. If you got stabbed in the gut by a crossbow bolt I'm sure you'd poo poo blood violently too. Wet plops are wet plops. Also see my last post where I said the body stinks because his blood is poopy. He's a poop man because of the poison. Tying back into the first point the blood would smell of poop, accounting for tyrion's PoV observation. *in my humble fan canon opinion. Krinkle fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Apr 6, 2016 |
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2016 21:47
|
|
|
Arguing these things medically doesn't make a lot of sense. These aren't real things that happened they're things written by a man with layman's medical knowledge. Does it make sense narratively and fit the themes Martin developed in that storyline? No, I don't think so. Someone else said Oberyn is like Inigo Montaya without the payoff. I think that's right and clearly fits with many of Martins preoccupations- self righteousness and justice isn't enough to overcome institutional power and strength. That is undercut if Oberyn won all along without anyone in the AGOT universe knowing it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 10:16
|
|
|
OrthoTrot posted:Arguing these things medically doesn't make a lot of sense. These aren't real things that happened they're things written by a man with layman's medical knowledge. I agree with your points but I don't think we can say he won. If all that is true, still Tyrion stole his victory. You could said that this one time self-righteousness and justice did won, except it lost since Oberyn died to get his revenge on the Mountain and then had his revenge on Tywin lost from him. And then the Mountain was kinda resurrected In any case, I dont really believe this theory and I don't the the clues are even intentionally, just coincidences and circumstantial evidence. People have been waiting for this books for too long, reading and rereading and over reading and then start to find all sorts of crazy elaborate secret plots in the details. Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Apr 7, 2016 |
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 11:52
|
|
|
I think the biggest hint that he wasn't poisoned is the fact that it was never addressed in the show. Which is why Jeyne Poole, Rob's kid, and Stoneheart are going to be giant wet farts in the next couple of books.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 13:36
|
|
|
Phenotype posted:I agree that a character's decisions should usually make sense without scrabbling for random dialogue and subtle clues, but only if they affect the plot in some way. Given that it didn't matter whether or not Oberyn poisoned Tywin before he died, it doesn't really matter if you missed his hidden agenda, and you might never even suspect you missed anything unless you read internet forums. I actually think little hidden plots like this just add to the believability of the world - not everything a character does is relevant. I would argue that if it doesn't matter if Oberyn poisoned Tywin before he died , and it doesn't matter if you missed his hidden agenda, then his hidden agenda does not actually exist in any meaningful way.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 13:43
|
|
|
Pedro De Heredia posted:I would argue that if it doesn't matter if Oberyn poisoned Tywin before he died , and it doesn't matter if you missed his hidden agenda, then his hidden agenda does not actually exist in any meaningful way. You could argue that him poisoning Tywin makes his own death more tragic because he never lived to see his vengeance fulfilled, and it makes Tyrion's actions more tragic because his father would have died without his help and now he's a cursed kinslayer. Or maybe it's just a cool little bit of world building that may or may not be true (we'll probably never know).
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 15:53
|
|
|
Solice Kirsk posted:I think the biggest hint that he wasn't poisoned is the fact that it was never addressed in the show. Which is why Jeyne Poole, Rob's kid, and Stoneheart are going to be giant wet farts in the next couple of books. Those aren't remotely the same thing though. It's like saying that Stannis is probably going to die from some non-Brienne reason in the books and concluding that "obviously it doesn't matter or else the show would have covered it".
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 16:47
|
|
|
computer parts posted:Those aren't remotely the same thing though. It's like saying that Stannis is probably going to die from some non-Brienne reason in the books and concluding that "obviously it doesn't matter or else the show would have covered it". That was the joke, yes. Guess it wasn't that funny.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 17:15
|
|
Ginette Reno posted:You could argue that him poisoning Tywin makes his own death more tragic because he never lived to see his vengeance fulfilled, and it makes Tyrion's actions more tragic because his father would have died without his help and now he's a cursed kinslayer. No, if he poisoned Tywin before he died he would have died a happy man, knowing that he enacted vengeance for his sister by ensuring that both Tywin and Clegane will die a slow, agonizing death, for which Dorne won't be blamed.
|
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 17:16
|
|
|
GaussianCopula posted:No, if he poisoned Tywin before he died he would have died a happy man, knowing that he enacted vengeance for his sister by ensuring that both Tywin and Clegane will die a slow, agonizing death, for which Dorne won't be blamed.  pictured: a happy man
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 17:18
|
|
|
GaussianCopula posted:No, if he poisoned Tywin before he died he would have died a happy man, knowing that he enacted vengeance for his sister by ensuring that both Tywin and Clegane will die a slow, agonizing death, for which Dorne won't be blamed. I'm not sure if you're saying this means the theory is true or the theory is false. Personally I agree with everything you've said but I think it all means the theory is wrong. It would completely invalidate the reason Oberyn was written into the story, as I see it. It would undercut the whole narrative purpose for his existence. I find most theories are pretty cool really. I've got a lot of time for random speculation about hidden clues in the text that might indicate something happened that would influence stuff yet to be printed/written (lol it will never be written). But the poisoned Tywin theory isn't like that. It doesn't influence anything to come at all. It is definitely just "world building" by fans, or fan fiction as it's also known. And I don't mind fan fiction either, but I think this misses the point of the subject.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 18:17
|
|
|
let's spend the next several pages arguing whether or not jojen paste is real personally, i think it is very badass, therefore it is real to me
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 18:30
|
|
|
romanowski posted:let's spend the next several pages arguing whether or not jojen paste is real Well in the show he is now in fact Jojen paste...
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 18:44
|
|
|
Jojen ash. Jojen protein powder.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 18:47
|
|
|
At least Jojen paste or Daario = Euron might actually matter once GRRM dies and someone finishes the books.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 18:52
|
|
|
I think Tywin's corpse smelled so bad so cersi and Jamie could have even grosser incest sex next to their dead rotting dad just to underline how messed up and gross the lannisters truly are. It was just a wacky grrm way of getting the reader all disgusting on the same level he writes meal porn It's like his opus of queasy synesthesia Marzzle fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Apr 7, 2016 |
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 19:02
|
|
|
Solice Kirsk posted:
last thought: at least Tywin will poo poo himself to death.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 19:04
|
|
|
TommyGun85 posted:last thought: at least Tywin will poo poo himself to death. Opposite of that! 
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 19:47
|
|
|
Bran will probably eat Meera paste this season instead 
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 19:52
|
|
|
steakmancer posted:Bran will probably eat Meera paste this season instead He'll eat Dany paste
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 20:15
|
|
|
S6E1 is titled 'The Red Woman'. Synopsis: "Jon Snow is dead. Daenerys meets a strong man. Cersei sees her daughter again." TOOT BOOT fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Apr 7, 2016 |
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 21:28
|
|
|
Ros resurrection confirmed.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 21:58
|
|
|
Pedro De Heredia posted:I would argue that if it doesn't matter if Oberyn poisoned Tywin before he died , and it doesn't matter if you missed his hidden agenda, then his hidden agenda does not actually exist in any meaningful way. You're kind of missing the purpose here. It's just a neat bit of non-essential world-building encased in a little puzzle hidden in the writing. It doesn't end up mattering to the plot, but it adds a little something to Oberyn's character to those that work it out or hear about it on the forums, and it provides a nice answer to the minor question of why Tywin's corpse might be putrefying. It makes the world feel a little more realistic to have these details, too, because everything doesn't always end up being meaningful or fully explained in real life, either. If you miss it, then you miss a minor detail of a minor character unimportant to the main plot, but it certainly exists.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 22:09
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 19:56 |
|
|
Solice Kirsk posted:
I'm highly annoyed by how modern and synthetic those gloves look.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2016 22:24
|
|