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George Osborne 'stealth tax' could cost half a million workers £1,000 eachquote:Half a million British workers could lose out on hundreds of pounds a year under a “stealth tax” coming in on Wednesday which was not announced in George Osborne’s Budget. Also, lol: https://twitter.com/rowenamason/status/718039660346417152 https://twitter.com/bbcmartynoates/status/718040551778553857 https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/718040113213808640
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Regarde Aduck posted:Wait do we openly hate the working class for being traitors to themselves and big dumb racists who have stupid faces? Or do we admire them for their plucky attitude and down to the earth outlooks? Who are we fighting for again? How many teams are there? FF on? Regarde Aduck posted:edit: What is wrong with JFairfax lately?
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Apr 7, 2016 12:46
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dispatch_async posted:George Osborne 'stealth tax' could cost half a million workers £1,000 each This is bad for Corbyn.
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Apr 7, 2016 12:47
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Renaissance Robot posted:Tl;dr: hardship makes you happier. This is all for your own good, proles! Some of them literally believe this too. One of my friends who lives in actual semi-poverty posted on facebook how the removal of one of their benefits had been good for them, because it had forced them to reorganise their life and find other means of income and how people should stop complaining. :facepalm:
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Apr 7, 2016 12:56
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Guavanaut posted:The Pope said his sleeper agent activation words during his Vatican Radio address a couple weeks ago. The Pope said "drink vodka"? Seriously, JFairfax drunkposts so much you'd think he was in the Scotpol thread.
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Apr 7, 2016 13:00
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Lord of the Llamas posted:This is bad for Corbyn. "David Cameron doesn't answer a single question at press event. Should Corbyn resign?"
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Apr 7, 2016 13:25
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Regarde Aduck posted:Wait do we openly hate the working class for being traitors to themselves and big dumb racists who have stupid faces? Or do we admire them for their plucky attitude and down to the earth outlooks? Who are we fighting for again? How many teams are there? FF on? Well in regards to racism it's often down to lack of education so you can argue it comes full circle to the poor treatment of the working class being the cause. What does working class even mean in today's society?
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Apr 7, 2016 13:29
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Mega Comrade posted:What does working class even mean in today's society? The same thing it always meant - those who are forced to continually sell their labour to survive.
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Apr 7, 2016 13:32
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Oberleutnant posted:The same thing it always meant - those who are forced to continually sell their labour to survive. So what's middle class?
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Apr 7, 2016 13:37
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Mega Comrade posted:So what's middle class? a divisive lie
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Apr 7, 2016 13:37
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Mega Comrade posted:So what's middle class? The previous Tory attempt to create a 'shareholding democracy' and the current one to make more people self employed is a deliberate attempt to muddy these waters, if someone gets a few quid in dividends or is their own boss on below median wage but they hire an accountant once every year then they're practically middle class, right? They can't be mad at the people who do the same thing wholesale. (This is alongside the main goal of both of these programs, which is 1. More money for us 2. gently caress you.)
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Apr 7, 2016 13:43
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Mega Comrade posted:So what's middle class? An attempt to divide the working class to reduce solidarity
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Apr 7, 2016 13:45
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Fans posted:I think their point is valid . "The EU is a bit poo poo, but do you think we'd actually have the worker and consumer rights we have now if we'd let Tony Blair and Cameron do it instead?" Barry Foster posted:It's not a well put together argument so it reads as a bit abrupt, but his point is perfectly valid. I'm struggling with the exact same concerns. Which will be harder to get out from under in the future? Or rather, which is likely to last longest? The EU in its present shithouse form, or the upcoming 1000 year Tory Reich? Which will ultimately be worse? Oh I know he has a valid point, it's just a hilariously bad way to frame an article since people tend to only read the first three paragraphs. He should have opened stronger. Jose posted:reminder that there are posters itt who are planning on voting to leave who naively think that if it happens the tories won't use it to get out of the european convention of human rights as soon as possible to implement their own version Isn't the Good Friday Agreement what throws a spanner in the leaving-the-ECHR works?
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Apr 7, 2016 13:54
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I propose we allow Essex and Kent to secede from the UK. Don't forget Surrey.
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Apr 7, 2016 13:58
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Jose posted:reminder that there are posters itt who are planning on voting to leave who naively think that if it happens the tories won't use it to get out of the european convention of human rights as soon as possible to implement their own version
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Apr 7, 2016 14:01
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Guavanaut posted:Their own version that doesn't mean that cases can be taken to the ECoHR? How would that work? if we have a human rights act that explicitly allows war crimes then the whole thing isn't a problem - torysay -also the actual plan of Gove, I thought we already covered this in the thread?
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Apr 7, 2016 14:11
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Apparently the 'greenest government ever' has decided it can make do without a climate change envoy. Never mind, I'm sure we'll sort the climate out once all this tax business is out of the way.
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Apr 7, 2016 14:17
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Tesseraction posted:
And the Scotland Act. It's the legitimate actual constitutional crisis they for some reason don't like to mention.
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Apr 7, 2016 14:18
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Spangly A posted:if we have a human rights act that explicitly allows war crimes then the whole thing isn't a problem - torysay
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Apr 7, 2016 14:20
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Guavanaut posted:I was going to say "I'm not sure even Gove would be stupid enough to push through something that would risk destroying the Union and also have no effect on a higher court" but he probably would. Then the Lords would laugh and use it as toilet paper, then it would end up being kicked into the long grass. he is. e; forgot to add for anyone who doesn't fancy reading a guardian comment piece, the scrapping of the human rights act was a part of the Tory manifesto in 2015.
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Apr 7, 2016 14:22
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But that will have no effect on the ability to actually take cases to the ECtHR though. I thought the whole point of the HRA was to be able to be in compliance with and deal with human rights issues without necessitating going to the ECtHR. Even if he does succeed in scrapping it, which as above would be a legitimate constitutional crisis and a terrible idea, people could still take human rights cases to there.
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Apr 7, 2016 14:26
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Well, we get what we vote for. Majority of the country voted for "gently caress this" and the Tories are obliging.
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Apr 7, 2016 14:30
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Guavanaut posted:But that will have no effect on the ability to actually take cases to the ECtHR though. I thought the whole point of the HRA was to be able to be in compliance with and deal with human rights issues without necessitating going to the ECtHR. Even if he does succeed in scrapping it, which as above would be a legitimate constitutional crisis and a terrible idea, people could still take human rights cases to there. so that brings the following questions, how is the ECHR jurisdiction structured, and what legislative contigencies do the EU have for states leaving? Without claiming to be well-read on the totality of binding agreements we have with the EU I don't see how we could, in the circumstance of Leave, actually remove ourselves from EU juresdiction and agreements entirely. It doesn't seem reasonable to assume we could simply moonwalk out of the Hague and suddenly enact the full and Orwellian glory of Tory britain. And if we could, then would this take the trade deals with it? The Leave campaign seems to be trying to have it's cake and eat it between claims of UK-final jurisdiction and a lack of trade impact, which seem mutually exclusive to me.
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Apr 7, 2016 14:33
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The thing that a lot of both Remain and Leave seem to be missing is that that the ECtHR and the EU are largely separate things. Leave are saying 'once we leave the EU, we can finally get rid of all those human rights and sell ourselves into indentured servitude' and Remain are saying 'if we leave the EU then Gove/whoever will instantly eat all our human rights'. Which they might want to, but unless the UK is going to be the only country in the continent other than Belarus to leave the ECtHR, that's not going to happen. Galloway would probably provide cross party support for that though, so we can get better trade links and photo ops with Lukashenko.
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Apr 7, 2016 14:38
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I don't really think this belongs here but I want to share it anyway http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3769585&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=16#post458383919
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Apr 7, 2016 14:52
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After dodging questions from the press Pigfucker got heckled by a student during a campaign session http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/07/david-cameron-teased-exeter-student-fathers-tax-affairs-panama-papers Keeping the pressure up 
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Apr 7, 2016 14:53
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I am working class but I also bought an iMac. Now I don't know who I am anymore.
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Apr 7, 2016 14:54
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Jose posted:I don't really think this belongs here but I want to share it anyway He was fuckbarreled over it in D&D chat thread, but importing forums drama earned me a probie last time. Probs best to remove it.
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Apr 7, 2016 14:55
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This thread, like the City of London, has its own rules and the mods better drat respect that. I know this because my dad works at nintendo.
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Apr 7, 2016 15:02
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Don't think I've seen the Tory local cuts calculator posted yet. A handy comparison of how your postcode is getting shafted, compared to Cameron's constituency.
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Apr 7, 2016 15:07
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Prince John posted:Don't think I've seen the Tory local cuts calculator posted yet. It would be great if this could be used without being required to give your name and address. Why does everything have to be a data mining exercise? :/
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Apr 7, 2016 15:10
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Pesmerga posted:It would be great if this could be used without being required to give your name and address. Why does everything have to be a data mining exercise? :/ It can. Just lie.
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Apr 7, 2016 15:15
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Jose posted:I don't really think this belongs here but I want to share it anyway It really excites me for some peculiar reason to discover that there are still Stalin apologists in TYOOL 2016. It shouldn't, it's clearly not a good thing. But I can't help but be tickled by the absurdity of it.
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Apr 7, 2016 15:18
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Blairites have found the one weird trick to solve offshore tax issues and make the wealthy eager to pay taxes: Scrapping inheritance tax.Polly Toynbee posted:now is the time for Labour to declare it will abolish inheritance tax altogether. The argument is lost, the public’s ears are blocked. Although people overwhelmingly say the country is too unequal, Ipsos Mori finds 70% hate IHT, calling it “unfair”
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Apr 7, 2016 15:20
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British Public Wrong About Almost Everything, Survey Shows.
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Apr 7, 2016 15:27
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dispatch_async posted:Blairites have found the one weird trick to solve offshore tax issues and make the wealthy eager to pay taxes: Scrapping inheritance tax. "The amount of free money I get isn't big enough! It's not fair!"
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Apr 7, 2016 15:30
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Kaislioc posted:And the Scotland Act. It's the legitimate actual constitutional crisis they for some reason don't like to mention. Leave campaigners (and the Venn diagram of "People who want to repeal the HRA" and "People who want to leave the EU" is a circle within a circle with only a few lefties muttering about strange bedfellows in the outer area) airily say that amendment of the HRA and a bit of legislative sleight-of-hand is all that's needed. Meanwhile lawyers are already looking at what they'll be able to buy with the proceeds of that happening, and are thinking probably "Australia".
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Pesmerga posted:It would be great if this could be used without being required to give your name and address. Why does everything have to be a data mining exercise? :/ just put in weedlord bonerhitler like the rest of us
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Apr 7, 2016 15:34
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Regarde Aduck posted:This thread, like the City of London, has its own rules and the mods better drat respect that. I know this because my dad works at nintendo. I hope our special relationship with America[n moderators] can continue. Even if in practice that just means they pretty much never come in here and/or overlook the volume of our shitpost exports. In tangentially related news, I checked the main forums list to see who's modding D&D these days; Vilerat's name is still on there, and now I'm sad.  Related to that, did we stop permabanning dead goons as a matter of policy? When did that happen?
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Tesseraction posted:He was fuckbarreled over it in D&D chat thread, but importing forums drama earned me a probie last time. Probs best to remove it. i just wanted to post something i found funny
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