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Maybe just wait until I get to the actual scene in question, which isn't gonna be for a long while.
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i guess i missed the chance to vote for flavio but i'll post anyways because he's so adorable 
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Update 12: Celebrations Time to turn in our mission.        Ooh, that's a nice bit of money.  And Knight gains a level.  Let's talk with him.              Oh, Cass.    And the scene ends. Let's see what Cass has to say now.     Quona has the exact same dialogue as she does in Classic.  Most of the NPCs don't have more than one portrait, but sometimes the game will freeze their blink animations so that they could at least have an eyes closed version.   While we're here, let's cook the rest of the 1st Stratum food.    The choices merge here.   This is a but thou must.  ...... ......! It might not fit everyone, but the refreshing taste of the venomfly matches with the sweet, salty flavoring!   Dialogue merges here.  Regina, you fool! Now she lusts for the blood of all animals!  Dialogue merges here.  This food doubles Poison damage. Too bad the Story party doesn't have any way of inflicting that at the moment.    Let's calm Bertrand down. Let's calm Regina down. Dialogue merges here.  Let's squeeze the lemon. Dialogue merges here.  Regular attacks are now imbued with the Volt element on the first turn. This is an utterly useless effect.     ...The sweetness is balanced with the saltiness of the walnuts. However... you should pair it with some bitter tea.   Now a different skit occurs if you choose the other option at the first choice,  The rate of Grimoire Chances occurring is multiplied by 1.5 while this food is in effect. Handy if you want to grind for Grimoires and don't have easy access to a specific food.     Dialogue merges here.  Dialogue merges here.  Okay, it's not a completely terrible effect, but it's really situational and pretty much outclassed by all the good food effects.    Dialogue merges here.  This increases your party's resistance to Poison by 80%. It's very handy for the Chimaera if you're having trouble with it's Poison attack.    Dialogue merges here.  Increases the party's resistance to Blind by 80%. It'll be handy for a few fights. That's all the restaurant skits for this Stratum.     And time to go up to the 2nd Stratum.        Everywhere you look is painted a vibrant red... Yet no two shades are alike. The exquisite gradation of colors within the trees is overwhelming, and you pause to take it in.  Wait, something's off... No, that wasn't it. You tell the black-robed girl that wasn't the part you wanted to hear repeated, and she speaks once more, puzzled. AHA! You indeed heard correctly; Chloe used your name when addressing you. If memory serves, this is the first time that the black-robed girl has called you by your name! The black-robed girl quickly looks away and pointedly walks on ahead. You watch the rest of the guild follow the black-robed girl before taking your own first steps into the unknown Stratum.   The curious object before you seems to be composed of beautiful ribbons of light streaming up to the heavens. What could it possibly be...? As you gaze transfixed at the light, the black-robed girl wanders toward it!  As Flavio upbraids you, Chloe pulls her hand back, and you abandon your idea of reaching towards the light. Still, you are no closer to discovering what this rising light may be... You cannot discount the possibility that it is dangerous, so you hesitate to approach it carelessly. In the midst of your indecision, the protector speaks up from behind you. You may try using this bridge between the town and the Labyrinth, or ignore it in favor of pressing onward.   I head back to town at this point. But all the townsfolk pretty much just said their 6th floor dialogue, so they don't say anything new now. Though if we enter Cafe now...  Regina just lets us know that we can develop other areas. Same as in Classic, nothing new here.  But some of the bar patrons are new here, and some of them are exclusive to Story Mode. Like this guy right here.  We can't see any inn scenes yet until we do the whole Ginnungagap thing. Which we'll do next time. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 02:41 on May 7, 2016 |
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Hey, don't mock the power of vegetables. They're like bombs, packed tight with all kinds of important nutrients.
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Update 31: The  No, we're not going into either Ginnungagap or the 4th Stratum today. Instead, we're going to get the secret areas behind the sealed doors in the 1st and 2nd Strata out of the way, since we'll need to explore both of them for certain postgame quests.    To start this pseudo-quest, we have to go back to where all of this started: 1F. There's a small area behind the closed door icon.   https://zippy.gfycat.com/LeftDazzlingAlaskankleekai.webm (GIF version)     I hate it when this poo poo happens.  Oh my dear sweet christ. Formaldehydes are loving amazing. Introduced in EO3, Formaldehydes give you all the drops of any monster killed on the turn it's used, including conditional drops you didn't fulfill the condition for! These things are absolute lifesavers for enemies with really dumb conditionals like "Kill with Curse damage." They're sadly in incredibly short supply, and to make them, you need the (annoying) conditional of an FOE that first shows up on 28F.  This thing's nice too, I guess.   Now, we move onto the actual secret area, behind the locked door in the area where we rescued the soldier from the dinosaurs--almost 6 months ago, at time of writing.    And our first secret area encounter has a monster I seriously despise.  Longisquama HP: 760, STR: 41, TEC: 29, VIT: 29, AGI: 25, LUC: 28 Skills:
Disable resistances: A lizard with feather-like frills. Its tail can cause weakness if it catches you! Longisquamas are complete assholes. Firstly, note that they cut all elemental damage in half, so they pose a pretty big annoyance for Alchemists. On top of that, Tail Whip will also cut all the damage your front line deals in half, and deals enough damage that a Beast tanking it will be left pretty badly hurt, especially given the Longisquama's 41 STR (bear in mind that Scylla only had 39 STR). Our party especially has problems with this thing, since we only have 2 damage dealers, one of whom is a Ronin.    I've normally been ending most random encounters in 1-3 turns, but it's the 3rd turn now, and the Longisquama is only down to half HP. Random encounters are painful when you have a party as lacking in AOE as this one.   Four turns to bring down one monster. This is going to suck.   3F's secret area theme: rubble. Lots and lots of rubble.   And kinda pointless shortcuts.     Ironically, Sophie is now one of my best options for dealing with random encounters in this party, thanks to Evil Eye and Conflict Word.    Conflict Word's kinda more useful when there's multiple enemies in a fight.     At least Flame Grater kinda helps, but repeated use will chew through Asriel's TP pretty quickly.  I hate these stupid lizards so much.     Apparently I've become the Labyrinth's garbage collector.   You wanna talk obnoxious? Because this encounter embodies it several times over.   Especially since this stupid goddamn lizard's normal attacks can one-shot Asriel. Ronin are very, very fragile, if you haven't learned that yet.   I wish there was more to say about this area, but it really just is small areas with annoying lizards around every corner.   Soma Primes are the upgraded version of Somas, and heal the entire party for 160 HP. Pretty decent, although pretty obviously redundant if you have a Medic or War Magus in your party.    And three random Take points for no real reason. One gives Citron, the other two give Rye.   Yep. Look at that secret area. Excited yet? Good, because we still have a lot of secret area to go.   I left the Labyrinth at this point to sell off stuff, save, and heal up.     And you thought the Longisquamas were bad? Meet this fucker.  Raptor Lord HP: 1684, STR: 44, TEC: 32, VIT: 34, AGI: 22, LUC: 40 Skills:
Disable resistances: A savage creature with a bedazzling horn, it is among the most dangerous denizens of the forest. The game's not kidding with the description there. This thing has stats that outpace pretty much every 4th Stratum monster and even some monsters from the start of the 5th Stratum. 44 STR means the thing will one-shot Asriel with any attack, no questions asked, and Ursa WILL die if she tanks all the hits of Cruel Fangs--if her arms don't get bound first, that is. 40 LUC and 50% resistance to fear and head binds also means this thing is annoying tough to disable, so Sophie and Freyja have their work cut out for them. Also, 1684 HP. For a well-constructed party, that is a lot. For our party, this thing might as well be an FOE.   Even Preemptive Roar won't help a ton.  My biggest mistake throughout this entire fight is prioritizing Gag over Cuffs for Freyja, since binding the Raptor Lord's arms would still lower its STR, and she'd be hitting a 100% arm bind resistance instead of 50% head bind resistance.     At least our damage (when an enemy doesn't have 2-3 binds) isn't godawful, just bad. Freyja and Asriel can whittle the thing down by around 400 HP every turn.   Ohhhhh poo poo. Oh no.   gently caress.   Yeah, ouch. This is bad. Realga and Sophie will die to one more Cruel Fangs, and Ursa can't use Hit-Taker right now.  Screw it. Do or die.   motherFUCKER    AAAAAAAAAAA  Desperate times calls for Desperation. That's how the saying goes, right?  Oh thank every god that has ever existed.    In case it wasn't obvious enough that I'm exploring these places way earlier than I should. What's a game without a good challenge every now and then, though?   Frog Lords will jump two tiles in your direction when enter the same row or column they occupy. https://zippy.gfycat.com/GreenDefiniteAmericanquarterhorse.webm (GIF version) Like so.   Come on, people, stop leaving your garbage on the floor of the Labyrinth.   We're done with the 3F secret area, but we've got plenty more to go.   Hmm. How can I lure the Frog Lord out so I can get to the chest safely?   That's a question for another time, since I went back to town at this point because the Raptor Lords were putting a serious drain on my TP and Force. In my opinion, I don't really see a lot of value to Force Up. It's kinda useful, but my issue is that--for my playstyle in Classic, at least--boss fights (the fights where you'd REALLY want Force back quickly) tend to end before Force Up can make a ton of difference. There's two boss fights MUCH later on where they're guaranteed to last a long time (30+ turns, in fact), but... Let's just say they mess with Force in special ways that render Force Up irrelevant. I still buy Freyja a Beam Whip because it's a lot better than her Red Fin Whip, but it's not going to be something I'm keeping for a while. * Made from 7 of a monster's normal drop (+138 ATK) * Made from a very tough to kill FOE's drop (+142 ATK) * Made from the stratum boss's normal drop (+147 ATK) I immediately buy it for Asriel (after getting some more money). He'll be sticking with this thing probably until the 5th Stratum.   Oh, right, the frog. How do I get past it so I can get the treasure...   Fighting it is a good option, I guess. It's easy to get past it when it's dead.    Frog Lord HP: 9832, STR: 49, TEC: 41, VIT: 39, AGI: 33, LUC: 46 Skills:
Disable resistances: It sucks the life out of its prey. If only you could make it kill itself on accident...! The Frog Lord's gimmick is that it'll lower your entire party's maximum HP, and then kill you with normal attacks and low-damage poison. That's really all there is to it, other than the fact that you can't stop Drain Dive at all thanks to the thing's immunity to leg binds. Unihorns basically render Drain Dive a non-issue, but we don't have any on us right now. I'm also really starting to regret having Sophie forget Corrupt Curse, since getting the Curse Mail unlock out of the way now would've been nice. Oh yeah, we're at the point now where certain FOE conditionals (along with the boss conditionals which we've already seen) start to make ultimate equipment for certain classes. If you want to do postgame stuff (especially the DLC superboss), I highly recommend getting each class's ultimate equipment, since they all have very nice bonuses.  Freyja's better suited for hitting the frog's 100% head bind resistance.  I need as much damage out of Freyja and Asriel as possible, since 9800 HP takes a while to chew through.  Arm binds don't really do much here aside from give Freyja more damage from Ecstasy.   Well, I could use Medical Miracle to purge the debuff, but the Frog Lord'll just recast it in a few turns anyway.     I wish I could get a 3-bind Ecstasy off, but two will have to do.  I have Asriel turn on Immovable, because why not.  The max HP reduction affects Desperation, but at least the Frog Lord won't be able to easily kill Ursa now.  Overheal will kinda help. Kinda.  Evil Eye and Conflict Word will actually let me force the Frog Lord to skip its Drain Dive turns, if it lasts long enough.  Ouch. That'd hurt even if we didn't have lowered max HP.  Okay, that's kinda decent.   Now that's really good! Imagine this party without Ecstasy. Euuuugh.   I don't think I've mentioned it before, but if an enemy hasn't taken their turn before they become afraid, they actually have a chance to skip their action on that turn. Pretty neat! The same applies to player characters, though, which is much less neat.  Slowly but surely, we're whittling this thing down.  Sophie has nothing left to do with the last turn of Creeping Curse, so I just have her Black Mist the Frog Lord instead.      Oh, come on.  Well, so much for disabling the thing on the Drain Dive turn. I turn on Steady Hands because I might as well get some mileage out of it before I purge off the second round of Drain Dive with Medical Miracle.  Pretty much the best thing Sophie can do now is try to put the Frog Lord to sleep.  Steady Hands is a really great Force Boost. It's a drat shame that its usefulness is overshadowed by Medical Miracle.  Every time I see Freyja's low basic whip skill damage, I get kinda sad.   I have Freyja defend this turn, since Horse Slash will deal more damage with the sleep bonus than Gag.  I have Realga use Overheal so I can show how it interacts with Medical Miracle.  Sophie is actually out of useful things to do now, so I just have her do whatever.    ...Huh? Well, add another statistical improbability to the current count, if for some reason you're keeping track of that.     Overheal interacts with Medical Miracle like it does any other healing skill. What I didn't get to show was that if any dead party members are revived from this, their HP is set to the maximum Overheal amount, which is pretty neato.  Now this thing's just an absolute joke.    Frog Lords are a pretty big pain to fight this early. I got kinda lucky with the binds and the thing not using Toxic Secretion when its head was unbound.   Worth it worth it worth it worth it worth it worth it oh my god that was worth it. I don't think we've seen Amrita IIs yet, but they're the upgraded form of Amritas, pretty obviously. They restore 100 TP instead of 50. Sadly, there aren't any Amrita IIIs in EO2U, and Amrita IIs are made from a really annoying conditional of a really annoying FOE that first shows up on 28F (not the same one whose conditional makes Formaldehydes, mind you).   The next Frog Lord puzzle's pretty simple.   Just trigger one hop...   And then get into a random encounter (not really).    Thunder Rabbit HP: 456, STR: 37, TEC: 37, VIT: 27, AGI: 26, LUC: 29 Skills:
Disable resistances: A rabbit that can summon lightning bolts. Fortunately, it is less apt at close range. Thunder Rabbits can put some serious hurt on a person if multiple hits of Heaven's Bolt land on them, but they're otherwise quite a bit of a step down from the Longisquamas and Raptor Lords. Unlike the Frog Lords, I can very easily get that conditional drop and get Ranger's ultimate non-body armor unlocked for later.   150% resistance to fear means getting the conditional is really easy.  Behold: the power of the Bikini Armor. Ursa effectively ate 440% Volt damage, and it barely scratched her.     Anyway, yeah, if you just bait out one movement from the Frog Lord and then move to the opposite side, you can get to the door easily. Like I said, very easy.   And now that we have an easy shortcut back to where we were, I decided to call it an update here.    All that's left is to sell what we got. NEXT TIME: More secret areas. Hopefully less getting mauled by dinosaurs. Rea fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Apr 5, 2016 |
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Conditional: I'm wondering if the devs made a mistake here, and set up the wrong flag for the Frog Lord's conditional by accident. Because that enemy description is incredibly misleading. (And for the record, kill with Curse damage is still a condition in this game, so they didn't just throw that out.) Either that, or they decided to have mercy on us for once considering that the only way it deals damage is through regular attacks and poison. Barbaric March can be used to deal with Drain Dive, since setting up that buff, no matter how powerful, will block the effects. Or dispel it, but you'd still be left with double digit HP in that case.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Barbaric March can be used to deal with Drain Dive, since setting up that buff, no matter how powerful, will block the effects. Or dispel it, but you'd still be left with double digit HP in that case. Barrier works too if you don't have a Troubadour, and I think Frog Lords only use Drain Dive on the first turn and every fifth turns or something like that, so it's easy to predict. Barbaric March is definitely more reliable at lower skill levels, though. All else fails (like me on my first run when I underestimated Barrier), White Noble works. I think you get the heal after the debuff is dispelled, but I can't remember.
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Man, you got a couple of glass-cannon frontliners there. Have you got any, uh, non-glass cannons?
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Glazius posted:Man, you got a couple of glass-cannon frontliners there. Nope. We're stuck with this until 18F. At least it's better than the party Fetus had for the same area in EO2: a Troubadour/Medic front line, and a Alchemist/Gunner/Hexer back line.
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Update 32: Biology Lab Today, we do more secret areas. Exciting, no? We're gonna have to do them sooner or later, might as well do it when I'm about 5-10 levels below where the game expects me to be.     After I mess with everyone's Grimoires a little. Sophie, in particular, had no Grimoires equipped since I had her take a Rest a while ago.   I also remembered that Realga and Ursa had skill points from last update that I forgot to allocate. Salve now heals for 122% healing power, while Protection Vow now lasts for 6 turns, can take 5 instances of damage, only loses 10% chance to protect per blocked instance, and reduces damage by 35%. Nifty.   This is a kinda annoying puzzle. There's debris everywhere, and while that means they impede the Frog Lords' movement (if a Frog Lord hops in the direction of Debris, it will get stopped by it for one turn, and hop over it on the next move in the same direction), it's also easy to put them in a position that screws you over.   ...Like this. Oh well, I wanted to fight a Frog Lord to show something off anyway, so...  En guarde!  Good start.      Same setup as last time, honestly.   We have gone from a good start to an excellent start.  Wait what  Oh my god I don't think I've actually seen this before: the loving Frog Lords will pounce towards you if you're in their line of sight even in the middle of fights. This is bad.      Gather your inadequate friends, and flee! Flee in the name of Lance the rhubarb!           I mean, I can't even really blame the game for that one. I even had Return Flutes, but it's easy to forget about that when your thought process is best summed up as "oh gently caress oh poo poo no no no."  You saw nothing.   Alright, how to do this without getting cornered by these stupid frogs. First, bait the top one out as far as you can.   There's debris over here, meaning the frog will try to hop toward you and stop just before the debris.   Take a step backward, and the frog will leap over the debris.   Run down, to the left, and then up again, and you'll have a newly frog-free pathway.   In the process of trying to do some fancy footwork to get to the chest, I accidentally hosed up and now the frog's in the worst spot possible.     Don't worry, my memory isn't literally non-functional (just really terrible). The Frog Lord on the other side of the map can't hop to us--we're safe. You might be wondering "why are you fighting one of these things again?" The answer is: I want to demonstrate Formaldehyde, since inflicting Curse on these things isn't really that hard and the only reason I can't do it is because Sophie doesn't have Corrupt Curse at the moment. You've already seen a full Frog Lord fight before, so let's just skip to the interesting bits.   The thing's almost dead, and it can't use Toxic Secretion. Here is where I need to be really careful, since the Formaldehyde needs to go off before the thing dies, and if I end up wasting it on a turn where the thing doesn't die...then I'll be mildly irritated and restart the game.   I have everyone Defend while Sophie tries to put the Frog Lord to sleep, in order to amplify one instance of damage from either Freyja or Asriel.  This thing still hurts even through Defend, and if it uses Drain Dive again, things'll get hairy.  drat.   drat.  drat drat.  No biggie, I'll just purge all that poison off.  Wuh-oh.  Okay, really?   ...   Alright, enough of this nonsense.  Welp. Toxic Secretion's poison damage is already kinda annoying, being hit with it while we have Drain Dive on us is basically a death sentence.  Gee, great timing.  Now everyone's dead.  I really hope the frog stays asleep for a while, I really don't want to Game Over twice in one update.   This was stupid. Sophie's equipment (namely, a staff) means she has way lower action speed than Freyja. Actually, that doesn't matter, because...    Realga has the same speed issue that Sophie does regarding her staff giving her a really bad penalty.   Ugh, what a disaster. At least an item isn't consumed if you select it and don't get to use it.  I just opted to go back to town and revive everyone at the inn.   Pattern recognition is, evidently, something I never learned as a baby.   At least we didn't have a catastrophe again.  Freyja gets another level in Phys ATK Up. With her Grimoire, this level basically does nothing.  Four-Leaf Clovers aren't entirely garbage--I dunno if I've explained them yet but, to my best understanding, when used, they have a 25% chance to make any Grimoire generated on the turn they're used be level 10. I'd say these are useful, but the Premium Grimoire Chance Tea and a certain aspect about a postgame floor makes them kinda irrelevant.   We're almost done with the Frog Lords, I swear. At this point, I just went back to town to heal up since fighting one of these things is a serious drain on Freyja and Asriel's TP.     Ursa's collar and claws giving her an action speed boost means she's gotta make this work, right?   WRONG. One more fight later...   Asriel's turn.   YES  Note how we got the Cursed Frog Skin despite the Frog just having its head bound when it died. All those frogs just to demonstrate Formaldehyde. Bleh.     Time to go back to town.   All that effort for something I won't even be buying until near the end of the 6th Stratum.   oh god    At this point, I remembered there were a few level ups I didn't spend yet. They speak for themselves, I think. I'm gonna need Corrupt Curse for some more conditionals in the 5th and 6th strata.  ...    NO MERCY   I have literally never used Rose Prison up until now, and really unloading Force Breaks is just symbolic at this point.      Rose Prison is a really trash Force Break, honestly. It has a high bind chance, yeah (in fact, it's 120% for each bind type), but think of it this way: is some small damage and unreliable binds worth locking your Dark Hunter out of Trance until you go back to town? Or wasting a turn where you could be using Ecstasy?     One more small locked door area.      Oh hey, another one of these things.   Oh yeah, boss respawns. These start happening after...it's either when you reach the final floor of the stratum after the boss, or when you defeat the next stratum's boss.   Note that Flame Demon's only movement pattern is that she'll turn to face you whenever you're close to her. She doesn't actually move at all.   Alright, the second and final secret area. What awaits us is...   ...A battle.    Dinotyrant HP: 2326, STR: 42, TEC: 31, VIT: 32, AGI: 23, LUC: 32 Skills:
Disable resistances: A vicious carnivore with a high vitality. Adventurers would do well to dispatch it quickly. Oh hey, it's the Low-Resistance-But-Has-Curse gimmick enemy. Pretty much every EO from EO3 on has one of these, and their gimmick is basically that they have high HP, but also very low damage resistances. The catch is that they also have the ability to inflict curse on your party, meaning that cursed targets will take a lot of damage if they hit the enemy, since the low resistances inflate their damage. None of this matters, because...    Another conditional that gives some kind of ultimate armor out of the way.   Anyway, yeah, the gimmick of the 10F secret area is small, twisty corridors.   Pretty much none of these corridors have anything interesting going on.   Also, there's a gigantic open area with tons of doors leading to the corridors. I'm getting bad EO1 flashbacks.       Seriously, look at this mess.     The only things that happen during this period are occasional Dinotyrant fights, none of which are worth showing.       Secret passage here.   The Rock Cannon is another ailment weapon, but it's kind of special--30% base chance to inflict petrification with normal attacks. I normally dismiss these things, but since Scorpion is the only non-monster Grimoire skill that can inflict petrification, this thing's honestly our best bet for getting petrify conditionals.     Actually, when was the last time I upgraded Asriel's armor?  ...No loving wonder the dude's been dying so quickly, oh my god. All of his armor is still from the first part of the 1st Stratum. I am good at Etrian Odyssey.  Much better. Hopefully he'll be less susceptible to being one-shot now. That's all for now. Next time: the last of the secret areas, I swear.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:...No loving wonder the dude's been dying so quickly, oh my god. All of his armor is still from the first part of the 1st Stratum. I am good at Etrian Odyssey. Moments like this are why these EO LPs are so entertaining.
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Ragnar...what the gently caress. You need to check equipment every time you unlock something if you keep a piece of armor on someone from the first loving stratum. I mean. WHO DOES THAT 
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I mean, I literally said that my memory is atrocious in the middle of the update, I dunno why you're all surprised.
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If this was EO3 or EO4, where they nerfed armor to not having much of an effect overall, it would be kind of understandable. Granted I have no idea just how powerful armor is in EO2U.
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There isn't any way to tell where an armor comes from, is there? No kind of star rating or anything? Just because equipment can be so variable between classes.
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Update 33: You're Not Supposed To Be Here We're finishing the secret areas today. Aren't you excited?     Hey look, Baby Salamanders are back. ...Hold up, why is it about to breathe fire even though we're not in its line of sight?   Oh. Meet the Lava Beast. It starts out as that dinky little non-monster, but if a Baby Salamander breathes fire on it (or it steps on a tile that's on fire), it gets big and starts chasing after us.   Oh yeah, it also takes two steps for every step we take. Fun. So, how do we avoid letting it catch up to us?   Move directly in front of it, and then...   Sidestep it. The Lava Beast will always move two tiles per step, so as long as we just repeat this sidestepping pattern, it can't actually catch us.   After 6 turns, the Lava Beast will go back into its dinky initial state, and slink back to where it started. It also only moves one tile at a time in this form. Worth noting that it also won't act for one turn after it goes dormant, meaning...   We can catch it before it grows again.    Lava Beast (dormant) HP: 1205, STR: 26, TEC: 21, VIT: 21, AGI: 14, LUC: 20 Drops:
Disable resistances: A creature formed from magma, but luckily, it is very close to being extinguished. The dormant Lava Beast will literally do nothing. I'm not even kidding. It doesn't even use basic attacks.   I literally just auto-battle the thing to death.     This room's actually fairly big, to give you some leeway when being chased by the Lava Beast, but it doesn't matter much if you just kill the thing while it's small.   Next room. This one's a bit tougher, since the Lava Beast is in a much more inconvenient spot.       Perfect your sidestepping dance moves today, here on Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold! Some time later, while I try to figure out how to get past this thing:      Lava Beast HP: 12047, STR: 51, TEC: 48, VIT: 41, AGI: 28, LUC: 40 Skills:
Disable resistances: A foul beast from deep within the earth, fire courses throughout its body. Legitimately, our party as it is right now cannot kill this thing. Even with 3-bind Ecstasies, this thing just has way too much HP, especially with having 50% resistance to all physical damage. I'm DEFINITELY bringing Ranger back later on so he can kill this thing with Akashic Nova to get its drop. I'm sure you're not surprised that Ranger's ultimate armor is the best out of all of them.  I just have everyone try to run.     In case Sophie and Ursa still fail to escape.    If I just try to escape without having Ursa guard everyone, everyone's going to die eventually.  Ursa actually doesn't take a lot of damage from tanking Lava Boulder. (I told you that Bikini Armor would be a worthwhile purchase.) If I had, say, Ranger or Stardust in place of Asriel, we'd be doing really well.  6 turns to escape. Good lord.     One murder of a defenseless dormant Lava Beast later.        Head Guards, incidentally, nullify head binds on whoever equips them. If we ever go up against a boss that can easily inflict head binds, Realga's pretty much going to need this thing. So, the big question here now is: how the hell do I get out of this without using an Ariadne Thread?  Floor Jump is how.     After some quick sprinting, we're back to where we started.   I take the time to kill the Baby Salamander here so that the Lava Beast can't go active again. Why, you may ask?   That's why. That corridor makes it really easy for the Lava Beast to catch you a lot if it's active.   There really isn't a lot to these puzzles, honestly. I decided to off the dormant Lava Beast again in the next room.     Are you getting sick of these frankly-repetitive Lava Beast rooms? Because I certainly am.     Mercifully, there's a small room to the east (relative to the map) which has a shortcut back to near the start.   I take the opportunity to sell off the paltry amount of drops we got and rest up.     Running in a straight line from the shortcut room door resulted in this awkward situation. I'm effectively boxed in--any step I take will result in one of the Lava Beasts engaging me.  I just say "screw it" and start the fight so I can escape and bolt for the door.  Two FOEs in one fight is something I'd normally expect to just result in a game over.  Sophie, thankfully, pulled through.        Black Boar HP: 844, STR: 43, TEC: 32, VIT: 30, AGI: 24, LUC: 31 Skills:
Disable resistances: A ferocious boar that lunges recklessly into its prey, knocking them unconscious. Black Boars can be a serious nuisance when paired up with the right monsters, like here. Clash hurts pretty badly, and stunning the wrong person can turn an easy fight into a dire situation. Here, for example, if someone survives Clash, they'll probably die to 3 of the Flame Lizards' AOEs being stacked on them.    None of what I just said applies if you just Issen everything.     This empty room will serve a very important purpose in the postgame. And by the postgame, I mean a quest we can first take once we reach 29F. Y'know, one floor from the absolute end of the Labyrinth. My point is we'll be coming back here in the future, but it's a long, LONG way off. I just felt like getting all this stuff out of the way now.  The update continues after this post, since it originally went over the character limit even after editing. Rea fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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Update 33 part 2 Yep, we're finally done with the secret area nonsense. Now we can enjoy a nice, relaxing trip down into the depths of Ginnungagap. No-one ever said being an explorer was always fun.        SYSTEM: Could this be the mysterious field the Minister spoke of? But nothing happens even when you reach out and touch the device. Perhaps because it is not yet night... Oh. Right. Dubois did say that, huh?   Much better. SYSTEM: Could this be the mysterious field the Minister spoke of? As you unconsciously reach towards it, you find yourself floating, just as when you touch a Geomagnetic Pole in the forest!     SYSTEM: Startled by the disembodied voice, you cast around for its source, but it simply continues, calm and placid. I'm not going to try to hide who's speaking here. If you've read Dr. Fetus's story LP, you'll remember this person--the Black Guardian--from when Knight first got the power of the Fafnir Knight. SYSTEM: The voice fades away, its parting words as cryptic and confusing as the first... SYSTEM: As you ponder what the voice could have meant, you set forth to try and find an exit from the ruins... Welcome to Ginnungagap B3F, a very special floor--in fact, it's the only one of its kind across the entire Etrian Odyssey series.   Firstly, we spawn right in front of three chests.  Which all contain Return Flutes. That might seem confusing, but...   SYSTEM: Its grave proclamation finished, the voice fades once more into silence... If the voice is to be believed, you will be unable to return until you have cleared these trials... Yep.  SYSTEM: However, you can use items and skills to return to the start point. Think carefully and clear this floor! Once you enter Ginnungagap B3F, you can't leave it until you've reached the end. While this isn't quite as bad as it may seem at first, believe me, the first time I played EO2U and reached this part, I was completely unprepared, and I actually ate quite a few restarts/game overs before I finally got to the end. The floor is, mercifully, very short once you know your way around it, but you still need to approach this place differently than you would a normal Labyrinth floor. The big thing is that, unless you have a Sovereign (for reasons we'll see later), conserving your TP is a necessity. Running out in the middle of the floor is a really lovely situation to be stuck in, given that you can't just leave and rest up. Got all that? Good. Let's begin.     Grim Mantis HP: 1900, STR: 30, TEC: 24, VIT: 26, AGI: 19, LUC: 24 Skills:
Disable resistances: One slash from its razor-sharp claws can lop off the head of a careless adventurer. Grim Mantises are basically the game reminding you that carrying some Blast Grenades around is always a good idea. If they don't Charge up their skills, they're honestly not *that* big a threat--at least compared to the stuff we were fighting in the secret area. Remember that Longisquamas had 41 STR--30 is an incredibly big step down from that. If they DO get to use Charge, though, you can say goodbye to one of your party members or, worse, an entire row.       First room has nothing interesting going on.   You obviously can't hear it, but something made the FOE "noticed" noise when we entered this room. I don't see any FOEs though, do you?   Eh, kinda useful.   https://zippy.gfycat.com/SadCaringJohndory.webm (GIF version) Meet the Death Walls. These things are the primary fixtures of Ginnungagap B3F, and make up the backbone of its puzzles. Their movement pattern is kind of unique: if you're looking directly at them, they won't move. If you move when you're not directly looking at them, however, they will move towards you very quickly.    Death Wall HP: 8834, STR: 40, TEC: 30, VIT: 35, AGI: 19, LUC: 33 Skills:
Disable resistances: It is disguised as a wall, ready to prey on adventurers. Its gaze can immobilize you! The most notable thing about Death Walls is just how much punishment they can take. 8834 HP already takes quite a bit to chew through, and 35 VIT plus 75% resistance to all physical damage just makes it even worse. Crush would also 100% kill Ursa if she uses Hit-Taker when it happens, and will leave the rest of the party really badly hurt (it might even just kill Freyja or Asriel). Oh, yeah, Thousand Eyes.      The only ways out of a Death Wall fight are Flee on a Protector (whom we don't have right now), Return Flutes, waiting for the Death Wall to use Reflect Guard and escaping on that turn (they use them according to this pattern: turns 3, 6, 10, 15...), killing the Death Wall, or dying to the Death Wall--and that last one isn't much of a way out, is it? So yeah, that's how every Death Wall puzzle goes: if you get caught by one, you have to Return Flute back to the start of the floor, and do it over again. Unless you have a Sovereign (again, for reasons we'll see later), just cheesing the puzzles by killing the Death Walls isn't an option due to how annoying they are to kill. You'll run out of TP long before you kill even two of them.   Thankfully, the first puzzle only has that one Death Wall, and keeping it in place is as easy as it seems.      Illbear HP: 733, STR: 29, TEC: 24, VIT: 26, AGI: 20, LUC: 25 Skills:
Disable resistances: Those struck by its club find that their wounds do not heal normally. Try to evade this one! Illbears themselves aren't that remarkable. Plague Club is annoying when you have a Beast tanking the party's hits, especially when you're partnering them with a Medic, but it deals so little damage on its own that it doesn't matter a lot.       Ursa has all the shielding skills I want from her, so I'm going to have her go for the Auto-Lick build now. To refresh your memory, Lick Wounds heals one target's HP and removes binds from them (103% healing power and 1 bind at level 2), while Auto-Lick gives the Beast a chance to use it on themself when they take damage (16% at level 5, 24% at level 10).   Bleh.   Getting to that chest, incidentally, is easy--just back into it while keeping your eye on the Death Wall there.   At least we have a shortcut now in case we have to Return Flute again.        Back we go.   Okay, here's how you actually do this room.   Walking over here will aggro the Death Wall here on you.   Backtrack a little...   Take the fork we just went down...   And we're home free.    Deathly Pumpkin HP: 495, STR: 28, TEC: 24, VIT: 23, AGI: 20, LUC: 29 Skills:
Disable resistances: A gourd whose vines can spread insanity with a single touch! A true herald of the underworld. There's not a ton to Deathly Pumpkins. Just take proper precautions, if possible, to ensure Confuse Vine doesn't tag too many people, since having 2 or 3 people panicked can be a really bad situation.  Axolotl HP: 196, STR: 26, TEC: 26, VIT: 19, AGI: 16, LUC: 22 Skills:
Disable resistances: A curious Ginnungagap resident, it emits light that either means good fortune or certain doom. Axolotls, on the other hand, are one of the most interesting random encounters in the game. They don't attack you at all--they are completely non-hostile. If you leave them be for some amount of turns, they'll completely restore your party's Force, even if you used Force Breaks. This is why I was saying Sovereigns can enable a lot of TP sustain down here: you can just use Proof of Nobility, run into an Axolotl, and have it again. On the other hand, if you just blindly use AOEs or are an inhuman monster and kill the Axolotl in particular, it will instead completely break your party's Force, which can really suck if you get into a situation where you, for example, need Medical Miracle to save yourself from a game over but don't have it available.  I'll demonstrate Blessed Light by having Freyja use Rose Prison on one of the pumpkins.          Pfffffft. You suck at your job when you can't even inflict an ailment on Asriel despite having a 60% base chance and a LUC advantage.  Hey, look, just like I said: Freyja's Force is back.  Nothing else of note happened.   Alright, the final part of Ginnungagap B3F. The floor's really short, mostly because a gimmick floor where you prevent the player from leaving until it's over rides a fine line between "acceptable" and "completely unfair bullshit."   It took me a few tries and a game over to get how to approach this room on my first time playing the game (because I am incredibly thick-headed), but here's how you do it. Firstly, aggro the FOE in the top-right-most part of the room, shown here.   Walk up this corridor. Keep your eye on the Death Wall over there, or else it WILL start a fight with you.   This will also draw the aggro of the last Death Wall.   Then you just head up to the door, and you're home free.   SYSTEM: With that, the voice is gone. You can listen to the voice and proceed onwards, or use the Geomagnetic Pole to return to safety...   This Geomagnetic Pole's kind of redundant, as you will soon see shortly.    These are basically stairs, not a Geomagnetic Pole.    We're in the bottom parts of Ginnungagap now, and with that comes new music. It's not all that different from the first version, but eh.    SYSTEM: At those words, the voice fades away. You resolve to explore Ginnungagap further...   And this is why I said the last Pole was redundant. Incidentally, we can now warp to both of the Poles we just found from the Forest Entrance now.     Let's close out the update with some items, including one very important one. And now, the big one:  It's so amazing, I could almost cry. Sophie's LUC in this state, with the +10 LUC food, the Fortune Necklace, the Pointy Hat, and the Luck Staff, is higher than almost every boss in the game, including most of the postgame bosses, and she's only level 41! The only bosses that outpace her in terms of LUC are the postgame superboss, and three DLC bosses you're supposed to fight after said superboss. Join us next time, as we kind of learn a bit more about Ginnungagap. Kind of. Rea fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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Those wall monsters creep me out.
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Apr 10, 2016 04:35
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 Those guys are cool.
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Apr 10, 2016 18:10
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I love Lava Beasts. They're adorable. 
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    Stone Gleam: Cannot be disabled. Used 3 turns after summoning, waits one turn, then will continually be used until the Basilisk Eye dies. Attempts to petrify one row, with a 999% chance. Has a 10% speed modifier. I love negative feedback loops. 
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Apr 10, 2016 23:02
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Jesus loving christ. I know it took me a couple tries to fight that boss...but I never had THAT kind of bad luck with it.
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Kemix posted:Jesus loving christ. I know it took me a couple tries to fight that boss...but I never had THAT kind of bad luck with it. The only bit of bad luck that happened was that Chloe got arm bound. My strategy kind of heavily relied on that not happening. Then things spiraled out of control from there. That's Etrian Odyssey for you.
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The Lava Beasts are interesting FOEs. You... have to be trying to get into a fight with their powered-up forms? Or is salamander breath more inevitable at that point?
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Glazius posted:The Lava Beasts are interesting FOEs. You... have to be trying to get into a fight with their powered-up forms? Or is salamander breath more inevitable at that point? The later rooms make it much more difficult to both avoid the Lava Beasts and catch them after they've lost their power--stuff like the tiny corridor and the room with two of the Lava Beasts. The latter is actually difficult enough that I just said "screw it" and gambled on running from a fight with both of them. My first time playing EO2U, I actually just let the Lava Beast in the narrow corridor room chase me as far as it could, and tried to Escape each time. This, amazingly, actually worked.
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Update 13: Basilisk You stop and cautiously sniff the air. Indeed, something smells to high heaven... It does seem to be the smell of some kind of dead flesh... whether animal or person, you cannot say. You can investigate your surroundings to find out, if you wish. We may as well. You follow the fowl stench and push through the underbrush... Though it has begun decomposing, not many days seem to have passed since its death. Given a few more days, the corpse will return to the forest... But until then, there may be some usable parts left. You may search the corpse despite the stench, or leave this place at once. Steeling yourself against the stench, you kneel at the corpse--when you pick up on the sound of a fast-approaching screech! Flavio can barely mouth the words before a monster, drawn by the rotten flesh, charges at you from the brush! It goes down without issue. Though your attacker is vanquished, the lingering potential threat drives you from this place with haste. Fearing another attack, you leave this place as soon as you are able. Though you remain cautious of your surroundings for a while, no further sign of the threat presents itself. Could whatever it was have already left this place? Yet you cannot discount the possibility that whatever menaced you so still lurks, waiting to strike... You wonder if it would be prudent to draw your weapons before proceeding deeper into the room. If there's a monster here, we can probably handle it. When you reach the center of the room, there is a violent susurrus of leaves! Something passes before you, but when it sees your weapons, it just as quickly withdraws into the forest. You look to where the blur rushed past you like a sudden storm, and notice something scattered about the ground. Though you know not what that mysterious creature was, the nuts, at least, have done nothing to offend you. You gratefully collect them and move on. Not much to see on this floor, really. You can encounter this thing earlier, if you bought the Yggdrasil-Bud Tea DLC. If you didn't, this is where you can first encounter it. There is a plant before you. However, it seems to be moving continuously, as though it were an animal of some kind. As Chloe and Bertrand argue, the plant wobbles, as if responding to their voices... As Chloe and Bertrand argue, the plant wobbles, as if responding to their voices... As you all argue, the plant wobbles, as if responding to your voices... As you all discuss custody of the odd plant, it wobbles, as if responding to your voices... Dialogue merges here. You watch its motions a little while longer... and it suddenly lunges at you! AUGH!  Oh crud, not goo- ...Never mind. That's not actually scripted to happen, I actually just got a bit unlucky. Yggdrasil Bud Level: 1 HP: 50 STR: 5 TEC: 5 VIT: 5 AGI: 5 LUC: 5 Skills: N/A Damage resistances: Disable resistances: Yeah this FOE is pretty much pathetic. Just smack it and get your prize. Now if you're fighting these enemies through the DLC quests, you would be getting far more. However, regular versions only give out one of their ingredient drop at a time. That's a bit redundant. After your conversation, you return to your exploration. Well the stairs are nearby, so let's go to the 7th floor. You remember now that you must go further within Ginnungagap to carry out the ritual. In defence to your original duty, you decide to head back the way you came. Oh, fine. We'll follow the railroad instead. After a quick trip to cook this new ingredient.  All of these answers are technically true. Keep in mind that you can't advertise these teas. They're for your own personal use only. The true effects of this tea are that it forces enemy drop rates to increase to 100% (It doesn't force conditional drops, but if you do fulfill their conditions, they're guaranteed to drop) and when gathering at item points, you're guaranteed to get 3 to 5 of the rare item there. So essentially, this tea is meant for grinding item drops. However, the effects of the tea only last for one Labyrinth trip. So if you don't have the DLC, you can't really take advantage of this tea, as it's nearly impossible to grind up a supply of these ingredients while playing normally. See, after taking out the respective Yggdrasil plant once, they'll start showing up randomly on other floors. With an extremely slim chance of happening. So if you want to take advantage of the teas, you must pay for their respective DLC. Okay, let's finally get going to Ginnungagap.  The concern in the young man's voice is starkly evident. Still, your pulse, breathing, and overall fitness all seem ordinary. You haven't heard the strange voice again either, suggesting that you're in no apparent danger. You check the wall near the lever, and just as Brucke said, you find the slot where you must insert the Dynamo Stone. The stone currently fitted there is dull and cracked... Arianna does just that, swapping out the old Dynamo Stone for the new, and then pulls the lever. The bridge rises all the way this time. With loud clanging, the bridge reforms, allowing you safe passage to the other side. Your duty is to deliver the woman to the Hall of Sealing, said to be in the depths of Ginnungagap. You decide to proceed across the bridge in order to get closer to that goal. You can do as the girl coaxes you to and try manipulating the drawbridge, if you wish. A bit further in... The moment the bridge is lowered, Flavio raises his voice and points. In case you thought that the drawbridges were nothing more than glorified shortcuts, they're not. They're pretty much the main gimmick of this floor. Oh and don't think those FOEs are just more Mercenary Boars. Those are actually Boar Captains, stronger versions of that boss. So don't get fooled by model reuse and think that you can easily circumvent these puzzles. The woman walking beside you sighs under her breath. You ask the woman what she means by her anxious comment. Before you can reassure the woman, she seems to right herself, and chirps for your band to continue onward. You nod to yourself and delve further into the ruins, toward the Hall of Sealing. Eventually I go back to resupply. And get a reminder for the Urban planning quest. Anyways... The black-robed girl touches the door which looms in front of her... The young man directs an unusually serious gaze at the door. You, too, can sense the reason for his unease beyond it... Your surroundings are deathly silent, but you feel something dangerous lurking beyond that door. You may proceed forth if you wish, or exercise caution and withdraw for no to better prepare yourselves. Translation, there's a boss fight. Get ready before going beyond the door. And here's our party's builds. Once again, I'm using the TP Up food, but I would rather have a different food in this case. Which sadly, isn't available at this point. Oh well, let's go.  You take up arms and stand against the monster that nests in this sanctuary!  Basilisk Level: 18 HP: 4320 STR: 19 TEC: 17 VIT: 18 AGI: 14 LUC: 19 Skills:
Disable resistances: Basilisk is a bit weaker than Chimaera, and the reason for that will be seen a bit later in the fight. Starting off with setting up a Delayed Chase. Also setting up Artery. Gonna Front Guard the Basilisk's attacks. They're all physical, so that's pretty much what he's gonna be doing throughout the fight. Gonna try to Blind the thing. If I can manage that, the fight will become much easier. Though the chances aren't good, because discounting Flavio's massive LUC disadvantage, he only has a 49% chance of pulling that off. More setting up on my end. Ugh, didn't land the Blind. Maybe I should focus have on raising Flavio's LUC instead of his AGI. Basilisk decided to use Dark Moon first. Oh that's just a fantastic start! At least the arm bind doesn't stop Artery. Time to come out swinging.  Basilisk's weakness is Volt, so that's what I'm gonna use. I was hoping to have Chloe use Ailing Slash, but that's not an option for me right now. But good thing I packed all those Therica As. Now that I'm using elemental attacks, it's time to start using Link Order. Oh come on! OH COME ON! Thunder Wave racked up about a total of 190 damage. Not bad. That's significantly more damage than I was doing to Chimaera. I've already knocked out about 1/10th of its HP. This fight should be going by a lot faster. It may be dangerous to leave those eyes be like this. You can attack its eyes, or ignore it and take a different action. Oh great. Here's basically something that a lot of bosses in this game incorporate that I'm really not a fan of. Helpers. Basilisk Eye Level: 18 HP: 680 STR: 21 TEC: 17 VIT: 18 AGI: 14 LUC: 19 Skills:
Disable resistances: Essentially the boss can summon another enemy to help them out, and if you leave the helper alone for too long, it's game over. I don't like them because they tend to bring the fight to a screeching halt since you have to focus on damaging them instead of the boss itself. So yeah, the Basilisk Eye. Basilisk brings it out when it reaches 80% or 40% HP. If you don't take it out within 3 turns, it starts petrifying your party. And you can't resist the Petrification, since it has a 999% success rate. So you have to take out the eyes. Time to finish up that combo. I'm gonna use the fact that Bertrand is slower than Basilisk to my advantage. Since I'm having him use a Nectar, he'll revive Chloe after Basilisk has attacked, which will prevent her from dying immediately after being revived. May as well have Flavio use his Force Break. I don't see the fight lasting long enough for him to use his Force Boost again. And I'm gonna have Arianna boost our whole party's damage, because why not? Some nice damage to both the eyes and the Basilisk. Okay, not having Bertrand use Front Guard was a risky move there. Some more damage to the eyes. I'm not gonna waste this on the eyes, they're almost dead. Instead I'll use it on Basilisk. It may seem crazy to use her Force Break without taking advantage of her Force Boost, but my front line is in dire straits right now, and I don't have any multi-target heals on me. It's pretty much all or nothing here. Link Order II is basically Link Order, only as an AOE. I'll use this to finish off the eyes. Okay, my party shouldn't be in any danger of dying for a while. Oh wow, that was pretty much a 10th of its HP right there. And now I don't have to worry about the eyes. At least, not until they're summoned for a 2nd time. For the rest of the fight, I'm just gonna have Knight use Delayed Chase + Shock Sabre. Also now I can finally have Chloe dish out some damage. And may as well have Arianna use her Force Break. Oh, finally! At the very least, it'll keep our party going for a bit longer. And here's Chloe hitting like a truck. Shock Sabre is pretty much his main form of offense since he can't transform anymore. I had Arianna use Attack Order on the front row, so Chloe's hitting harder now. She's pretty much taking of 5% of Basilisk's HP with each Ailing Slash. Oh dear. Basilisk's attacks just got a lot more dangerous. Here we go again. I'm gonna have Knight and Arianna target the eyes. While Chloe targets Basilisk. Oh great. This is gonna hurt. While Chloe took a beating (and is dishing it back), it managed to miss the rest of the party (Aside from Flavio.) Yeah, the eyes should go down pretty quickly. It just occurred to me that I could use Bertrand's Force Boost to mitigate the HP penalty from Doom Breath. But I need to heal up Chloe as well. Even a Front Guard under the effects of Shield Protect can't help her when she only has 9 HP left. Much better. And the eyes go down! Crud. The blind wore off, though thankfully the fight is almost over. I'm gonna try for another Blind Arrow, but even discounting the LUC disadvantage, Flavio only has around a 13% chance to inflict Blind again. Shield Protect is pretty much reducing Basilisk's damage to laughable levels. It just doesn't look like it due to the effects of Doom Breath. Chloe isn't dealing as much damage as before with Ailing Slash, but it's still a respectable amount. And since this is the last turn of Bertrand's Force Boost, I may as well use his Force Break. Nope. Okay, Basilisk can't have much fight left in it now. Oh. Well this fight is pretty much over. I'll just use Sonic Raid to secure the win. And Basilisk goes down! A bit of a tougher fight than Chimaera, but it went a lot more smoothly.  As you swallow hard and watch in trepidation, the lizard's body slowly collapses to the ground... It didn't take as long as the Chimaera fight, and we had 6 people for that! The surly, tired protector's words remind you why you came to this room. Could this be the Hall of Sealing Arianna spoke of? You glance about to search for the woman. You notice that the princess is standing alone, before a large door in the depths of the crumbling hall. The woman tries pushing and pulling at the door, but it shows no sign of movement. Arianna tries the robed girl's suggestion, yet it remains fixed in place. Flavio's shoulders sag as he knocks and prods at the door. As you watch from behind him, you hear a voice call out from somewhere... A flash of blue. When we beat bosses in Ginnungagap, we get passive abilities for Knight. What this does is that it lets Fafnir endure a killing blow while he's Transformed. It only works once per Transform, through, but it's guaranteed to work. Unfortunately, it doesn't work on Instant Death attacks. You emerge from your reverie to find that your companions have gathered around you, regarding you with concern. Seeing the worry on your companions' faces, you explain to them the voice you just heard... I'm gonna be honest, I don't know if we can really trust this voice. I mean I barely have an idea of what's going on here. You should go to the Yggdrasil Labyrinth for now in search of the third power. We can't proceed on from here due to the plot. Classic is also barred from entering the 2nd floor, but they're held back by a much flimsier excuse. Anyways, I warp back to town.  You know, I don't really recall. You may be onto something there. Sure, we'll do that. But that battle tired me out. I could use some sleep. As you sit there, you hear a knock at your door. Who could it be at this hour...? Okay, so after beating Basilisk, you're allowed to choose whoever's inn scene you want to see instead of them being in a set order. I held a vote to decide on the order I should see these in. The first one we're gonna be seeing is Bertrand's.  Who the heck is knocking at this hour? https://zippy.gfycat.com/LinearAnimatedAyeaye.webm Remember how I said the inn scenes are missable? That includes the movies that pop up in some of them. If you want to complete your movie gallery, you have to see the inn scenes. Alone again in your room, you have only the silence for company. You decide to rest in preparation for tomorrow... Araxxor fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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Time to prove my worth! Junpei's Guide to Etrian Mythology In these updates, I, Junpei, will explain some of the names of places, bosses, items, and other such things in EO. Let's start off with a few obvious choices. Q: What's a Yggdrasil Labyrinth? A: First, it's a where, not a what. In Norse myth, Yggdrasil is the world tree that all of the worlds are connected too. Here, in EO, it makes sense, as the Labyrinth of 2 is actually a gigantic tree. Q: What's Ginnungagap? A: Ginnungagap also takes it's name from a Norse source. Ginnungagap is the name of the world in the beginning, in the Norse creation myth. It was a large void in-between Muspellheimr, a fire realm, and Niflheimr, an ice world. Q: What's Gladsheim? A: Gladsheim, which was Ginnungagap's equivalent in EOU1, is the name of the realm where Odin, head god, put his seat in the halls of Valhalla. Q: What's a Fafnir Knight? A: This one's a doozy. To shorten a large myth, Fafnir was a man/dwarf, depending on source, who became enraptured by cursed gold. His jealousy and greed became so strong, he killed his own father and used magic to turn himself into a dragon to guard it. He was slain by the hero Sigurd by having his heart stabbed with the sword Gram.
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Apr 12, 2016 00:19
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Do the eyes only pop out at those HP marks, or will they occasionally get resummoned if you're too slow to chip down the Basilisk's HP?
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Apr 12, 2016 00:45
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Glazius posted:Do the eyes only pop out at those HP marks, or will they occasionally get resummoned if you're too slow to chip down the Basilisk's HP? Just at certain HP thresholds. Bosses that have summons only summon based on patterns--most bosses just do it based on HP threshold, while Scylla does it based on what specific turn it is.
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Apr 12, 2016 00:47
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Glazius posted:Do the eyes only pop out at those HP marks, or will they occasionally get resummoned if you're too slow to chip down the Basilisk's HP? Yeah, it's just 80% and 40% where they get summoned. However, there are some bosses in the game that will randomly resummon their minions if you take too long to finish them off. Those won't be seen for a while, though.
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Apr 12, 2016 00:56
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The helpers are easily one of the most annoying parts of every boss fight in this game. I think the FOE bats in the Chimera's room are the only inoffensive ones in the entire game.
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Apr 12, 2016 03:51
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BlackPersona posted:The helpers are easily one of the most annoying parts of every boss fight in this game. I think the FOE bats in the Chimera's room are the only inoffensive ones in the entire game. Honestly, I really don't like the boss fights in this game. I think they're utter garbage, and I vastly preferred how the previous games handled those. All the Vampire Bats do, if they join the Chimaera fight, is try to head bind your party members. They don't bother with attacks, and aside from that, there is no consequence for leaving them in the fight. In the later fights, so much importance is placed on the adds, that if you don't spend time killing them, your party dies. Like with Basilisk's Eye, which petrifies you if you don't kill it after 3 turns. Or Flame Demon's Cubes, which deals 800% Fire damage when they explode. Compare that with Kingly Fire, which only deals 350% Fire damage on the first cast, and 450% on the subsequent casts. Oh and they're both TEC based. I just found that they bring the fight to a screeching halt if you don't have a hyper offense party. If you do have one, they're an incredibly minor speed bump, or you don't get to face them at all.
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Update 34: The Worst Robot Let's finish up the last of our pre-4th Stratum business today because it's been almost a real-life month since we last saw Petal Bridge, and that's frankly inexcusable by my standards.     Welcome to Ginnungagap B4F, aka Corridors Galore.   All the monsters are the same as what we saw in B3F, which makes sense.   Nothing happens until we actually go to one of the points marked on the map, but I just felt like mapping out the entire floor before starting the main gimmick to better give an idea of what's going on.   There really isn't a lot to comment on at the moment, as such.  Aside from this happening after a boring random encounter, yesssssssssssss. This is basically going on Freyja as soon as I leave the floor and it's never coming off. She's essentially only eats a +6 increase to TP cost for +80% or so base damage, meaning around 400% more damage when using Ecstasy on a fully bound target.   Like I said, corridors galore with no interesting new encounters. Let's head towards one of those marked tiles, shall we?   SYSTEM: Nothing is visible here, but you can sense some mysterious power in the air. SYSTEM: When you reach out with your hand, the power dissipates and silence returns. You decide to resume exploring the ruins in search of the remaining seals.   "Grasping at the invisible power" causes Dazing Pumpkins to spawn at basically each of the corners of the map. They take one step for every step we take, but (and this is really important): if there is a wall in the way, they will teleport to the other side immediately.     For the record, each of the invisible power spots has the same dialogue.   When you activate a new one, though, they cause the pumpkins to despawn and respawn in new spots.   I'll spare you the trouble of going to the third one and just skip to the end. Very little happens on this floor, and while that's for good reason in Story mode (Dr. Fetus is going to have a field day with that one), in Classic mode it's just a really short, boring floor. One trip back to town later to heal up, and we're ready for the upcoming boss fight. What, you didn't see that coming by now?    SYSTEM: If you wish to progress any further, exercise great caution! Within, you will almost certainly encounter something of unearthly power... The more observant of you might notice that I linked to the FM version of the soundtrack. That is because this upcoming fight is so boring that one of the few things I could think of to make it slightly less boring was to switch soundtracks for a short bit.    SYSTEM: In the middle of the room, the power you felt earlier manifests as a swirling hurricane-force wind... https://zippy.gfycat.com/GrippingDapperGnatcatcher.webm (No GIF version available)   There's no further dialogue between that pan around Demi-Fafnir and the fight starting. VIDEO: Boss Fight: Demi-Fafnir    Demi-Fafnir HP: 10800, STR: 31, TEC: 35, VIT: 35, AGI: 28, LUC: 33 Skills:
Disable resistances: AI pattern:
All that remains of one who failed to become a Fafnir. There remains no trace of humanity... [NO IMAGE] Control Device HP: 400, STR: 36, TEC: 35, VIT: 35, AGI: 28, LUC: 33 Damage resistances: Disable resistances: Demi-Fafnir is a complete and utter joke. He's weaker than Scylla, for crying out loud, with a whopping 8 less STR and 3 less TEC. The only stat he has an advantage in is VIT, which he has 1 more than Scylla. Woo. None of his skills deal significant amounts of damage, and their low base chances combined with our current LUC totals means him disabling anyone is really unlikely. There's a reason he's so weak, and that's tied entirely to Story mode--but I'll let Dr. Fetus show that off when he gets to it. I will take advantage of the fact that I have so little to say about Demi-Fafnir himself that I will mention his origins. Internally, Demi-Fafnir is referred to as "fire emperor" by his AI script. Not to spoil much, but there are two DLC bosses both named Frost King and Thunder Queen (both of their internal AI scripts call them pretty much the same). See the pattern yet? If you don't, what I'm implying is that Demi-Fafnir is just the Fire Emperor design being reused for a hastily-done Story mode plot point. What's most interesting about these three is the fact that their AI scripts are all prefixed with "scr_n"--the prefix used for Ginnungagap bosses (DLC bosses use "scr_dl"). What this probably means is that instead of Basilisk, Arachne, and Demi-Fafnir, the Ginnungagap bosses were originally all themed after the elements, both Fire/Ice/Volt and physical (Demi-Fafnir does a lot of Cut and Fire damage, the Frost King does a lot of Bash and Ice damage, and the Thunder Queen does a lot of Stab and Volt damage). Why this idea was scrapped before the game was finished is up to your interpretation. I will say, though, that Fafnir fighting a set of bosses themed after the elements to gain new powers makes a lot more sense, given that his entire thing is dealing lots of elemental damage.   Apparently Ursa didn't think this boss was as big a joke as he should be.  Demi-Fafnir's completely immune to arm binds, so I'll have Freyja focus on his 75% leg bind resistance instead.  You can probably guess that Asriel will spend the entire fight spamming Horse Slash and setting up Upper Stance when necessary.  I contemplated having Ursa set up Protection Vow, but I decided against it since that was being too cautious for a boss as easy as this.  Maybe I should get Realga a Song Mastery Grimoire or something, since she casts this thing basically every fight she's in.  Demi-Fafnir may have 25% resistance to head binds, but Sophie has a whopping 29 LUC advantage on him, and Creeping Curse is already bonkers on its own.     I'd normally type "drat" here, but not for this.    Ha ha, welp.  I use Chase Heal so much that I should maybe consider leveling it up some more.  Switching to leg binds now.  Okay, that's slightly unlucky.   Like I said, Demi-Fafnir deals absolutely pathetic damage.  Asriel's consistently lopping off around 5% of this thing's HP every turn.  Hands up if you didn't see that coming. If you raised your hand, you might want to re-evaluate how big a 29 LUC advantage is in EO2U.  Two binds is the best I'm going to get against Demi-Fafnir. Time to show off level 20 Ecstasy, even though the conditions aren't as nice as I'd like.  At this point I remembered Asriel's Force Boost exists and decided to turn it on. I should mention that it's about this point in the game where Immovable becomes a lot less useful. Ronin skills still cost a lot of TP relative to their TP pool, yeah, but now it's manageable instead of being a fairly big problem. There's an argument to be made for just reclassing (a mechanic I'll discuss soon enough) a Ronin into another physical damage class, since Immovable, at this point, turns into one of the worst Force Boosts due to the fact that it provides no damage bonus.  I could've had Sophie try to blind Demi-Fafnir, but instead I just opted to guarantee an extra turn of both binds sticking.  That's loving 25% of Demi-Fafnir's HP gone in one hit. If I could bind his arms, Freyja would lop off half of the thing's HP in one hit.   Fun fact: there's another message that preceeds the Black Mist message we've normally seen, but it lasts for all of two frames.     Ahaha, look at how little damage Ursa takes from this.  Asriel only used one turn of his Force Boost, but frankly this fight's so easy I'd rather just kill the Control Devices now.  Sophie's job is pretty much done, so I just have her fall back to trying to blind Demi-Fafnir.     50% of Demi-Fafnir's HP, just gone in two turns. I have not been exaggerating when I say Ecstasy is an incredibly broken skill.   What a paltry amount of--   ...Well, I guess the shoe of statistical improbabilities is on the other foot now, so to say. All those lucky ailment/bind inflictions had to come back to me eventually, I suppose.  One of the binds fell off, but consider that we're on turn 5, and we've dealt this much damage, when we have all of two damage dealers, one of whom is a Dark Hunter who can't get a 3-bind Ecstasy off, and the other is a Ronin with a skill build that's quickly becoming sub-par, and you can start to see that me talking about how weak Demi-Fafnir is anything but hyperbole.  gently caress it, why not?   If I'll be perfectly honest, it's not just Ecstasy that makes Freyja so busted, it's Trance. A 200% damage bonus against enemies you're already getting bonus damage against is just so ridiculously good. There's a reason that when people do reclass shenanigans with physical damage classes, they usually reclass into Dark Hunter.  For crying out loud, Asriel's our most fragile party member, and he still takes a very manageable amount of damage from this thing.  Both the binds fell off, so while Cuffs has no chance of binding Demi-Fafnir's arms, it's still Freyja's best option for damage right now.  I almost feel bad.  This is just taunting Demi-Fafnir at this point.  I've run out of things to say by this point, honestly.  Except that this is just kicking Demi-Fafnir while he's down.         I'll restate that the reason Demi-Fafnir is so weak has to do with Story mode, but I'm clamming up on the matter from there.  ...Yeah, "long and painful." Sure, let's go with that. SYSTEM: The mysterious voice seems surprised at your victory. SYSTEM: However, it is still not enough. An overwhelming power is sealed deep in this land. But I refuse to lead you to your deaths. You require more power yet... I bid you now return to your own world. There, challenge the Labyrinth you know well, and conquer its lofty heights! SYSTEM: The voice, heavy with newfound regard and expectation, fades away... There is still much you do not understand, but you have completed your investigation of the area you were assigned. The quest is now complete. Return to town, and report your success to the bar to complete the quest. For the record, if we try to go through that door, this happens.  SYSTEM: Without any means of opening the door, all you can do for the time being is to go back the way you came.   Back to the normal soundtrack.    Freyja maxed out Phys ATK Up (with her Grimoires, it basically does nothing) and unlocked the really goddamn terrible Bait skills. Go look at Meet the Dark Hunter if you want to see how godawful these things are.  Salve not only heals for 155% healing power and costs 24 TP now, but also now has a 150% speed modifier instead of 125%.  And Sophie gets a value point in Corrupt Curse for enemies that require conditionals involving Curse. This is probably all she will ever put into it.   I will mention that I bought Realga a Luck Staff, because I value TP on her more than TEC or VIT due to how the healing formula works (your base stats obviously play a big part in it, but a Medic's innate TEC/VIT spread means they'll always heal for pretty much enough), and that +10 LUC bonus helps offset the fact that Medics have the lowest innate LUC out of any class, meaning they're much more susceptible to being hit with ailments and binds than anyone else. I'm sure it doesn't take a lot to deduce that our Medic is the worst person to get hit with a debilitating ailment or head bind. Well, that was a pretty short update. Next time: we finally head back into Yggdrasil. Rea fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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...I forgot the Demi-Fafnir had adds. The Control Devices are pretty tame helpers too, all things considered, but probably because of the Story Mode Reasons, yeah. Honestly, the Frost King and Thunder Queen should've have a lot more story-related stuff to their DLC to go with the Demi-Fafnir, shed a bit of backstory to make up for not being Ginnungagap bosses. Probably would've been really easy, but... as-is, they just sort of exist.
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