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Tesseraction posted:nah reincarnation takes into account your actions in life, thatcher would be reincarnated as a blobfish, dung beetle or giant rat So you think Thatcher led a worthy life that warranted a step up on the karmic ladder? Because any of those is an improvement on being a Tory. E: April 8 1906 - death of Auguste Deter, the first person diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease. Jedit fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Trickjaw posted:Catching up with QT from last night. Jesus, that shouty ukip/edl knobhead in the blue tartan cap deserves a dry slap. Also, Ian His lips programme was so loving sneery it made my skin crawl. IDS must have had to cross his legs quickly and caught his bollocks to squeeze out those oh-so-sincere tears
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Jedit posted:So you think Thatcher led a worthy life that warranted a step up on the karmic ladder? Because any of those is an improvement on being a Tory. Hah, true, I forgot they are, after all, lower than vermin. Also: Graun politics live blog: quote:Mark Ferguson, the former LabourList editor who now works for Unison, tweeted this last night. 
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uh-ohquote:UK manufacturing output falls sharply quote:The UK manufacturing data is a big disappointment and will raise fears that the UK recovery is wavering. quote:The pound has fallen back below $1.41 following the weak manufacturing data and wider than expected trade gap. quote:Commenting on the UK trade figures, the British Chambers of Commerce said it was concerning that exports fell in the last three months while imports rose. The long-term economic flan seems to be a touch mouldy. Tesseraction fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Apr 8, 2016 11:46
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dispatch_async posted:Yes, I was replying to the "hindered by the media" bit. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Labour Uncut has a story about Corbyn's response to the PM's statement following IDS's resignation and why he didn't mention IDS - basically because he didn't want to get involved in an office conflict, so he winged the statement rather than read the prepared notes of one faction.quote:.... http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2016/04/07/the-inside-story-of-why-corbyn-forgot-to-mention-ids-when-responding-to-that-cameron-statement/
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Tesseraction posted:The long-term economic flan seems to be a touch mouldy. all part of the plan, all part of the plan you'll see by 2060 we'll be in just the right place to start spending any money at all on the disadvantaged again. have faith.
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The government is in crisis and the Stalinist/Trotskyite sects are instead planning on ousting their current leader. loving typical.
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What the gently caress are they talking about? Damian McBride isn't a particularly nice man but that hardly makes him a loving Stalinist. And Trotskyites? For fucksake, these terms have meanings, none of which are even vaguely relevant to the modern Labour Party. Labour are loving hopeless. Still, it's nice to have found Pissflaps's blog forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Just gonna requote a bit that I quoted abovequote:Let’s not forget George Osborne’s pledge in 2012 to double UK exports to £1 trillion by 2020. Back then he was full of hope that Britain would revive its waning fortunes in selling goods abroad.
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Aaaaand here's Larry Elliot, economics ed of the Graun completely making GBS threads on Gidiot's chancellorship. Short read but I'll quote the finishing paragraphs:quote:The economy is clearly losing momentum but is being spared an outright recession because consumer demand is relatively robust. But that’s only because interest rates have been pegged at 0.5% for the past seven years, making borrowing cheap.
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Apr 8, 2016 12:12
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I've always found it a bit strange that it appears Osborne has just been putting off problems until someone else has to deal with them while also wanting to be PM after being Chancellor
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Jose posted:I've always found it a bit strange that it appears Osborne has just been putting off problems until someone else has to deal with them while also wanting to be PM after being Chancellor I find it incredibly hilarious that Gidiot looks at Gordon Brown's chancellor->PM transition and subsequent electoral reaming and decided that was the bit of the Blairite years he should copy.
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Thats why a large part of the press think he's going to try and hold an election if he gets in, to legitimise being PM
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Tesseraction posted:I find it incredibly hilarious that Gidiot looks at Gordon Brown's chancellor->PM transition and subsequent electoral reaming and decided that was the bit of the Blairite years he should copy. No you see it'll be different this time because he wont spend all the poonds
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Jose posted:Thats why a large part of the press think he's going to try and hold an election if he gets in, to legitimise being PM Which he can't do, thanks to the Fixed Term Parliaments Act. Unless he wants to make the government look stupid as poo poo and manipulative by no-confidence-ing themselves. I suppose they could just call the motion and then entirely abstain, letting just Labour vote. I wonder what happens if 0 people vote in a vote of no confidence? Does it count as no confidence or does the lack of no confidence mean there's confidence?
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Tesseraction posted:Which he can't do, thanks to the Fixed Term Parliaments Act. Unless he wants to make the government look stupid as poo poo and manipulative by no-confidence-ing themselves. I suppose they could just call the motion and then entirely abstain, letting just Labour vote. So the SNP ends up kicking out the current government. That would be a hell of a sight.
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Oberleutnant posted:No you see it'll be different this time because he wont spend all the poonds And this is even better because he's spent even more poonds than Broon did, achieving less growth in the process.
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Tesseraction posted:I wonder what happens if 0 people vote in a vote of no confidence? Does it count as no confidence or does the lack of no confidence mean there's confidence? I assume the speaker has to vote in favor of the status quo.
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Jose posted:Thats why a large part of the press think he's going to try and hold an election if he gets in, to legitimise being PM It's in part why they're rigging the next election to make it near impossible for Labour to win.
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A lot of people on social media seem to think that if Cameron resigns, then Corbyn automatically becomes PM. I think we need to work more on teaching how the British voting system works in schools. I remember only getting a vague ooverview in secondary school, it was until A-level I did it properly. Maybe it should be taught in PSHE/citizenship lessons?
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There should absolutely be some kind of civics lesson in schools but it'd probably be politicised as gently caress so maybe it's good that we don't, on balance.
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OldMemes posted:A lot of people on social media seem to think that if Cameron resigns, then Corbyn automatically becomes PM. There's nothing in the constitution to say it doesn't happen
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MrL_JaKiri posted:There's nothing in the constitution to say it doesn't happen We should really get around to writing it down eventually.
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I would not be averse to a constitutional rule that says Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM every time the sitting PM resigns.
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Does the constitution say anything about whether a dog can play football? e: wait no wasn't that basketball first? i imagine they got round to football eventually though. possibly even real football. Angepain fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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OwlFancier posted:I assume the speaker has to vote in favor of the status quo.
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Angepain posted:Does the constitution say anything about whether a dog can play football? Yeah, American Football was the sequel.
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Tesseraction posted:Aaaaand here's Larry Elliot, economics ed of the Graun completely making GBS threads on Gidiot's chancellorship. Short read but I'll quote the finishing paragraphs: I'm bad at history, which country/event is he referring to there? Oberleutnant posted:There should absolutely be some kind of civics lesson in schools but it'd probably be politicised as gently caress so maybe it's good that we don't, on balance. It's not possible to be apolitical about civics, because just objectively presenting the facts as they are almost automatically returns a conclusion of "wow this is terrible and deeply unfair for almost everybody".
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:It'd still finish a draw, though, because like anyone would be able to stop McDonnell voting out the shits. On the day of the vote Tom Watson goes to McDonnell's office and pretends to be really interested in obscure parts of socialist theory for several hours as a distraction tactic
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OldMemes posted:We should really get around to writing it down eventually. OwlFancier posted:I would not be averse to a constitutional rule that says Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM every time the sitting PM resigns. e: Can't resist posting this. 
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The best way for Cameron to weather this would be for him to apologise, make a large donantion to charity, then replace Osbourne as chancellor and put out a new budget. If he resigns, then Osbourne or Johnson pretty much automatically become PM until 2020, and those two are blinded by ideology, and don't act like world leader material.
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OldMemes posted:We should really get around to writing it down eventually. Gonna go against conventional wisdom and say that when you write down a constitution it only empowers a legal class, i.e. judges. You run the risk of the kind of masturbatory veneration you see in the US too. Right now our parliament, democratically elected, can make any law it wants thanks to its sovereignty, I think that's a really interesting and radical proposal
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Oberleutnant posted:There should absolutely be some kind of civics lesson in schools but it'd probably be politicised as gently caress so maybe it's good that we don't, on balance. Looks like someone forgot about British Values (and reporting suspicious brown people) Tesseraction posted:Just gonna requote a bit that I quoted above If he was going to double exports to 1 trillion (from 500 billion) and the projection is like 650, calling it 36% lower (than the target) is a generous reading since the actual increase is 66% lower than he said he'd achieve
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J_RBG posted:Gonna go against conventional wisdom and say that when you write down a constitution it only empowers a legal class, i.e. judges. You run the risk of the kind of masturbatory veneration you see in the US too. Right now our parliament, democratically elected, can make any law it wants thanks to its sovereignty, I think that's a really interesting and radical proposal You're going against conventional wisdom because the US constitution-fetishisation is in part due to groups like the NRA working on the fundamentalist/unchangeable aspect and thus not relevant, you think our parliament is democratically elected with high estimates of 37% of a 58% turnout giving you... 24% of the vote, and that doesn't even touch FPTP. The fact parliament can make any law it wants is neither interesting nor radical. It is the status quo of Britain, and it is not a good thing.
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Renaissance Robot posted:I'm bad at history, which country/event is he referring to there? A lot of the decisions made by the Nazis in the run up to WWII were made in part due to a huge trade deficit that was in the process of wrecking the economy. Nazi Germany actually reached the point where they essentially ran out of foreign capital with which to buy imports, and only bailed themselves out by forcing France and the low countries to export to Germany on the basis of meaningless I.O.Us. This caused a lot of friction after the war since Germany was flat broke for obvious reasons but the Netherlands demanded that they pay for all the free exports they had received since 1941. Oh, and one source of foreign capital was making life so intolerable for German jews that they fled the country, then making it illegal for jews to take foreign money out of Germany. The Nazis made quite a bit of money from this confiscation. Fun.
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