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Yeah I'm like 99% sure Vox is just listing what the attached mods on the legendary AMR-16 do. They're not that much better than what a base game AMR-16 can accomplish; the stat boost itself is probably +4 accuracy. It's like how people were freaking out over how pay-to-win higher tier skins were at the beginning when all they did was just come with weapon mods pre-installed.
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UnknownMercenary posted:I have no idea what stats Vox is reading off. They're for the legendary AMR 16- sorry for the confusion. I do kinda want a legendary Chimano 88 with especially garbage stat effects now, though. Maybe for the fanmade skins? Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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Apr 7, 2016 21:30
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All those new skins look like someone liked the Asiimov skins for CS:GO a bit too much.
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I don't get skins now that you mention it folks. So, I bought this M308, and I can't put stock on it or something because lack of skin is a skin that overrides the effects from that attachment or something? 
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kalstrams posted:I don't get skins now that you mention it folks. So, I bought this M308, and I can't put stock on it or something because lack of skin is a skin that overrides the effects from that attachment or something? Some of the skins come with mods included, instead of being compatible with any mod setup. This precludes you being able to use that skin and mods of your own, for... some reason.
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No, you can't put a stock on it because you don't own any of the stock mods. Weapon mods along with mask materials are drops at the end of a map. Once you get a weapon mod you pay in-game money to put it on your gun. Skins sometimes come with pre-installed mods that you can change at any time unless it is a legendary item. These skins cost real money most of the time.
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Geight posted:Some of the skins come with mods included, instead of being compatible with any mod setup. This precludes you being able to use that skin and mods of your own, for... some reason. UnknownMercenary posted:No, you can't put a stock on it because you don't own any of the stock mods. Weapon mods along with mask materials are drops at the end of a map. Once you get a weapon mod you pay in-game money to put it on your gun. And no, I'm well aware of mods that I do or do not have, and am able to discern lack of mods in my inventory from inability to apply them to my guns. 
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kalstrams posted:Alright, let's talk this through again. I buy a gun. Straight of the bat it blocks out some of the mod categories since effects from the mods would override a skin the gun has. Hence, the question is - the gently caress is going on, do the guns now come with default skins that lock some mod categories out or something? Could you give me a specific example of a gun and mod so I could launch the game and see this for myself? I'm trying to be helpful but I've never encountered this issue.
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I remember with the first set of skins and the immediately available unlocker, you could actually modify the legendaries and still keep the built in boosts (the ak had all its actual numbers on the barrel mod), so I made an unfair op 100 acc 100 stab AK for the hell of it
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There's no M308 skin that exists that does that. Or any skin that does that that isn't a legendary, so I don't know what your specific issue is?
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My bad, went to recheck and it's actually boosts just overwriting bonuses from skins. 
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I'll just offer 4 steam pennies for that AMR skin right now, guys. gently caress yes Psion fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Apr 8, 2016 00:03
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I got to see Hardcore Henry tonight, it's a fun little action film, and it makes me appreciate Jimmy all the more. Also the first time that the movie cross-over has been a two-way street, even if it's the smallest of nods!
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Not really a spoiler, but I'll tag it just so anyone who is planning to see it can enjoy that bit for themselves: At one point Jimmy tells Henry to load up on guns from the drawer, and Jimmy's lovely duct tape skull mask is in the drawer next to a load of guns. It's a lot better than the Hitman tree including akimbo skills because they're "a favorite of John Wick", when he literally never holds two pistols at once in the film.
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Maybe he just thinks they're really cool.
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Apr 8, 2016 16:33
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Chameleon is still the worst, at least in its basic form
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Apr 8, 2016 16:38
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It seems like Ghost combined with Fugitive. What's left for Fugitive? Akimbo, for sure, but looks like the major concealment and dodge stuff was put here. Also digging that some "useless" skills are combined with other, better ones, like Dead Presidents now being part of Sixth Sense. Shockproof is here though, that's kind of weird. At least now this seems to be a more viable tree for loud, but is that really what we needed?
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maswastaken posted:Why in the gently caress does Shockproof have to be luck based in its basic form? Probably because it wound up in the dodge build tree and people already complain about dodge builds being too good? Related, gently caress yeah I get to try out Shockproof finally beyond that one time I was a techforcer for RBR. gently caress dang, it's only a 30% chance now and I doubt I'm gonna ace it. Also props to having skills to let light armor/suppressors not ruin low-concealment builds. I guess I might be using an LBV once we get these new trees. Skunkrocker posted:What's left for Fugitive? Well, there's still that melee tree we know is coming. Akimbo tree, as you said, which is hopefully full of both pistol and SMG skills, although the technician automatic weapons tree might have replaced the (two) SMG skills in the game. And then, uh...? Fugitive has lost FAKs to Mastermind, a poo poo ton of skills to Ghost, and beyond pistol skills and melee skills I don't notice anything absent from other skill trees to move to Fugitive. Maybe a Brother's Keeper tree? 
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Apr 8, 2016 16:54
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Zigmidge posted:Hopefully it's three trees of akimbo skills i can get behind this
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Well that's.. interesting. - Covert Ops does a good job of taking most of the stealthy things and putting them together. It's a good tree for what it's supposed to do, and moving things like camera loop and faster lockpicking down in cost is a good thing. Two deployables in the same tree is an interesting choice. - Commando is a bit weird. I'm vaguely annoyed at having to climb further for Cat Burglar's fall damage reduction, but it's at least attached to the bonus movement speed and the extra stamina. Thick Skin and Shockproof being there are... weird. They really don't seem to belong at all. Also not sure how I feel about Sneaky Bastard being down below Low Blow - it seems to make sense for how they usually match up, but it kinda also restricts crit-focused builds. - Silent Killer looks great, though. Unseen Strike sounds like it'll be awesome on dodge builds, and Dire Need is a bit niche but is definitely useful.
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"we have decided to remove the Fugitive tree, akimbo weapons, and the character of Hoxton from the game"
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Boy, they nerfed the hell out of Shockproof. Sad. I really enjoyed being the Taser Reaper.
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Discendo Vox posted:"we have decided to remove the Fugitive tree, akimbo weapons, and the character of Hoxton from the game"
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BillmasterCozb posted:Maybe a new deployable is in store? Explosives skill tree with upgradeable grenade case deployable? Probably a better idea than whatever it ends up being, but we can hope. gently caress wait, Swan Song. That's probably gonna be in the third Fugitive tree. Goddamnit. ClonedPickle fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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We've got pistols, SMGs, akimbos, melee, and swan song left for Fugitive. No idea how they'll pad all that out, though.
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Fast hands being removed and that bagging speed being normalized is so good though. Also, I love that they crammed like 5 different skills into one super-movement skill.
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Took some time and went through to see just was still missing, skill-wise. Basically, we're missing all the pistol skills (Leadership, Equilibrium, Gunslinger, Pistol Messiah, Trigger Happy, Akimbo), the SMG skills (SMG Specialist), the melee skills (Pumping Iron, Berserker, Martial Arts, Counter-Strike). There's also a couple that look like they're eliminated - Dominator and ECM Feedback are implied to be, Kilmer looks to have been broken up between the Sharpshooter and Oppressor trees. I think we all know that, though. Interestingly, there's a few others that are missing: - A lot of stability/durability related stuff - Tough Guy, Nerves of Steel, Thick Skin (basic), Nine Lives. These could be lumped in with things like Swan Song perhaps? - Both of the silent kill skills (Shinobi and Hidden Blade Ace) are missing, so that's possibly in here or may have been taken out entirely/made inherent. - Run And Gun, Duck And Cover and Moving Target are still untouched. - Cleaner's 5% bonus to specials is missing. - No Fast Hands - which might have gone away, like the faster bag carry of Transporter. - Mag Plus is up in the air, since you've got a few weapon-specific versions but nothing universal. - lol Brother's Keeper There's enough here that they could make 4-5 trees just out of existing skills without new ones. We might be in for a surprise with a sixth tree.
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I have been liking these remakes and i think they are going to make build variety Cool and Good, especially across a team instead of everyone running the same thing. For awhile at least till the three true builds get discovered. But I think I'll actually play this game again for awhile!
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Tempest_56 posted:
Aced Shinobi/Hidden Blade are now baseline, as is Fast Hands. Run and gun basic seems to be part of the new mega skill Evasion. Seems that will replace basic Shinobi all together. The way I see Fugitive going down is down right awesome atm. I think we'll get a SMG/Pistol tree with akimbo being the top tier for it. A survival tree with Tough Guy, Nerves of Steel, all the little bits and pieces we've seen removed from other trees. Topping that will be Swan Song with Nine Lives and a reworked Pistol Messiah combined (I love these new super skills). Then we'll have a melee tree with Berserker and god only knows what as a keystone. We still don't know how the new melee engine will work. Only thing I am unsure of is Transporter basic. Hoping that will be made baseline after some community discussion. Edit: Almost forgot, 1 or 2 NEW tools/deployables. Metalocalypse fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Tempest_56 posted:Took some time and went through to see just was still missing, skill-wise. Basically, we're missing all the pistol skills (Leadership, Equilibrium, Gunslinger, Pistol Messiah, Trigger Happy, Akimbo), the SMG skills (SMG Specialist), the melee skills (Pumping Iron, Berserker, Martial Arts, Counter-Strike). There's also a couple that look like they're eliminated - Dominator and ECM Feedback are implied to be, Kilmer looks to have been broken up between the Sharpshooter and Oppressor trees. I think we all know that, though. Interestingly, there's a few others that are missing: Aced Shinobi/Hidden Blade will be a freebie, same with Fast Hands. Moving Target got lumped in with Evasion aced, as did Run and Gun basic - although I don't see the bonus to steelsight movespeed. But yeah, some sort of "resistance" tree with poo poo like Nine Lives, Swan Song, Brother's Keeper, Nerves of Steel, etc. will most likely be the third tree, and given how much better Swan Song is than all of those it'll probably be at the top. RIP having Inspire, Low Blow/Sneaky Bastard, Akimbo, and Swan Song. At least the new FAKs will prevent downs, so I can pretend Swan Song would happen less anyway.
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