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Kaislioc
Feb 14, 2008
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/politics-live-governments-9million-anti-brexit-letter-sparks-fur/

quote:

Conservative MPs have threatened to "grind Government to a halt" as a backlash began over David Cameron's plans to use £9million of taxpayers' money to send a pro-EU leaflet to every home in the UK.

Eurosceptic MPs warned the Prime Minister that they will block Government legislation in Parliament, creating an unprecedented split in the Party.

They also said the decision to send out the leaflet has made it “certain” that MPs will attempt to force a leadership challenge after the June 23 referendum, even if Mr Cameron’s Remain campaign wins the vote.

Fight! Fight! Fight! :allears:

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

TinTower posted:

Meanwhile, Vote Leave have found their newest backer:



The only problem? She said that twenty years ago.
If the EU were actually trying to erase are national identity and scrub Thatcher and Beckham from the annals of history while creating an internationalist socialist state I would have a very different opinion on them.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



baka kaba posted:

YOOOOOOO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WANT (WHAT I REALLY REALLY WANT)

Handy article though

The columnist being a prize tossbag too, of course.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Trickjaw posted:

The columnist being a prize tossbag too, of course.

Yeah but that's a professional qualification for working at the Spectator right?

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

quote:

Huddled around the columnist in their "desolate" changing-room, the women, Geri, Victoria and Emma on the right of the political spectrum, and Mel B and Mel C left of centre, the task proved refreshingly easy.

well Mel C was my favourite when i were a kid so i guess i made the right choice? Unless Mel B was an undercover communist or something.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Is GCHQ aware of this threat from radical left-wing terrorists named Mel?

hyper from Pixie Sticks
Sep 28, 2004

Dabir posted:

Is GCHQ aware of this threat from radical left-wing terrorists named Mel?

The next series of the Bake-Off uses recipes from The Anarchist's Cookbook.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Semprini posted:

The next series of the Bake-Off uses recipes from The Anarchist's Cookbook.

Even anarchists like a nice bit of cake.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


As a regular member of the count team on elections, my wallet is braced for impact. There's no way we don't get a General in October if this happens.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Jedit posted:

As a regular member of the count team on elections, my wallet is braced for impact. There's no way we don't get a General in October if this happens.

Odds are nothing of the sort is really happening and they're just desperately trying to draw attention away from Mr Cameron's more interesting personal financial arrangements.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Oberleutnant posted:

Odds are nothing of the sort is really happening and they're just desperately trying to draw attention away from Mr Cameron's more interesting personal financial arrangements.

I daresay you're right, but it also smacks of everyone getting their excuses in early doors. Can't we just use Samantha to dazzle people with her advised fashion sense?

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

Oberleutnant posted:

Odds are nothing of the sort is really happening and they're just desperately trying to draw attention away from Mr Cameron's more interesting personal financial arrangements.

That's probably not the best way to do it. That's like saying you're distracting the used cars salesman from your cars rattly exhaust by setting it on fire.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
The British identity is one of being nasty to other people. The only bright spot was ending up on the right side of history in the second world war. And that was only because Hitler went just a little bit too far. If he'd had reigned it in a little bit i'm sure the UK would have gladly backed his "moderate" fascist goals. We would have probably colluded with them to gently caress Poland if they'd had just asked first. The UK was a dumb bad country but Hitler was even dumber and managed to force us into being enemies.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Regarde Aduck posted:

The British identity is one of being nasty to other people. The only bright spot was ending up on the right side of history in the second world war. And that was only because Hitler went just a little bit too far. If he'd had reigned it in a little bit i'm sure the UK would have gladly backed his "moderate" fascist goals. We would have probably colluded with them to gently caress Poland if they'd had just asked first. The UK was a dumb bad country but Hitler was even dumber and managed to force us into being enemies.

Great historical analysis this. Lovely stuff.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Fans posted:

That's probably not the best way to do it. That's like saying you're distracting the used cars salesman from your cars rattly exhaust by setting it on fire.
I think he's trying to swap an external controversy beyond his control for an internal one that nobody can really be sure as to the extent of, over which he would obviously have some political control and influence as leader of his party, and one in which he can afford to "lose" while still keeping his job.
Get everybody talking about some bollocks about EU leaflets, then graciously agree not to use government resources to print said lovely leaflets that (in the grand scheme of things) don't matter anyway, and he's won.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jedit posted:

As a regular member of the count team on elections, my wallet is braced for impact. There's no way we don't get a General in October if this happens.

In the event of a Leave vote I certainly don't see how Cameron can remain as PM after nailing his colours to the Remain mast quite so firmly, and I can see the Leave mob forcing him into an open election like they did with Thatcher, with the threat of a confidence vote.

Then it really comes to whether or not anyone actually wants the job right now - I'm sure Labour will have remembered every single thing every Tory ever said about the legitmacy of the Brown premiership and are ready to throw it back with everything they've got, maybe enough to make the new leader call a snap election.

Deep in the Stygian caverns of CCO I'm sure some strategist is working this out, and I have a suspicion they may think that a relatively bloodless coup to put Johnson in, combined with the deeper pockets and quicker fundraising abilities of the Tories... with a following wind they might just do it. However I think a Leave vote would be such a traumatic blow for the Tories they'll end up outright splitting, and then gently caress knows what will happen.

All of this is contingent on a Leave vote though and I'm pretty certain that absent something really big happening in the next few weeks that's not going to happen. Of course a Remain vote - although it as always supposed to get the 1922 Committee to wind their necks in for a few more years - might still lead to them falling apart. Fun!

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
I love how all our parties are so useless that the only way one can win an election is the other one being in even more of a shambles

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
Leave won't win, but it will be close enough to put the final nail in Cameron. That is if he hasn't been ousted before then by the Brexit wing of the tories sticking the knife in.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Latest polling has as at 50/50 between leaving or not so it's literally coin toss right now.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

namesake posted:

Latest polling has as at 50/50 between leaving or not so it's literally coin toss right now.

Inertia will get the silent voters out just like the Scottish referendum. It'll be close, but remain wins. 54-56% probably.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
if it's 45% Leave I can't wait for the hashtag land-war

Alertrelic
Apr 18, 2008

serious gaylord posted:

Inertia will get the silent voters out just like the Scottish referendum. It'll be close, but remain wins. 54-56% probably.

I don't know, do old conservative people really care that much about staying within the EU?

If anything the silent majority of politically ignorant pensioners and middle-classes, the people who won the No vote in Scotland, seem more disposed towards vote Leave.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

If Leave wins England I would imagine Cameron is hosed

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



I feel bad for Scotland for being stuck with us, and I'll feel bad for the EU if they end up stuck with us.

We are bad.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Actually my part of England is good it's your part that is bad.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH
I think I should move back to Scotland.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Sink most of the UK into the sea imo.

Vvvv Finally Pissflaps is seeing things my way.

namesake fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 9, 2016

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Burn everyone and everything anywhere ever. Forever.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

namesake posted:

Latest polling has as at 50/50 between leaving or not so it's literally coin toss right now.

It's a giant coin, being tossed by a troupe of clowns, at the circus

or is it a cirque des clunes???

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

baka kaba posted:

or is it a cirque des clunes???

what does Martin have to do with it

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Pissflaps posted:

Burn everyone and everything anywhere ever. Forever.

Trident is good for this

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Pissflaps posted:

Burn everyone and everything anywhere ever. Forever.

never pegged you for an anarchonihilist tbh

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Oberleutnant posted:

never pegged you for an anarchonihilist tbh

Account sharing with Mrs Pissflaps.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Oberleutnant posted:

never pegged you

there's is still time to make it happen

Plasmafountain
Jun 17, 2008

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


That's not a very nice thing to say about Sam, I mean she's really trying, even employed someone to help her out

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.
People still seem to be convinced that if Cameron steps down, Corbyn magically becomes PM. They don't seem to realise that the current party is in until 2020, it'd just be the leader who changes.

The £9 million on EU campaign spending seems like a storm in a teacup. What does £9 million buy in government terms? Probably be cheaper to buy billboard, TV and Internet space than go through the hassle of printing out and sending all those leaflets out. It'd be better for the enviroment too.

Personally, I'ma reluctant remain voter. The economic benefits are better than with out. When the EU sticks to regulating industry, sorting out disagreements between countries and keeping trade smooth, it's fine. It's when it starts messing with indivdiual countries and thier laws and sovereignity is when it becomes an issue. EU should stick with the money and trade stuff, make sure we're not being ripped off by France, that kind of thing.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


OldMemes posted:

Probably be cheaper to buy billboard, TV and Internet space than go through the hassle of printing out and sending all those leaflets out. It'd be better for the enviroment too.

Old people won't see them then

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

OldMemes posted:

People still seem to be convinced that if Cameron steps down, Corbyn magically becomes PM. They don't seem to realise that the current party is in until 2020, it'd just be the leader who changes.

The £9 million on EU campaign spending seems like a storm in a teacup. What does £9 million buy in government terms? Probably be cheaper to buy billboard, TV and Internet space than go through the hassle of printing out and sending all those leaflets out. It'd be better for the enviroment too.

Personally, I'ma reluctant remain voter. The economic benefits are better than with out. When the EU sticks to regulating industry, sorting out disagreements between countries and keeping trade smooth, it's fine. It's when it starts messing with indivdiual countries and thier laws and sovereignity is when it becomes an issue. EU should stick with the money and trade stuff, make sure we're not being ripped off by France, that kind of thing.

Maybe we would magically get a proper conservative who just wants to avoid change, not some neoliberal tryhard.

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thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

OldMemes posted:

People still seem to be convinced that if Cameron steps down, Corbyn magically becomes PM. They don't seem to realise that the current party is in until 2020, it'd just be the leader who changes.

The £9 million on EU campaign spending seems like a storm in a teacup. What does £9 million buy in government terms? Probably be cheaper to buy billboard, TV and Internet space than go through the hassle of printing out and sending all those leaflets out. It'd be better for the enviroment too.

Personally, I'ma reluctant remain voter. The economic benefits are better than with out. When the EU sticks to regulating industry, sorting out disagreements between countries and keeping trade smooth, it's fine. It's when it starts messing with indivdiual countries and thier laws and sovereignity is when it becomes an issue. EU should stick with the money and trade stuff, make sure we're not being ripped off by France, that kind of thing.

I'd say that people are more thinking that whatever way the vote goes the Tories end up divided enough that a supply bill fails or a no-confidence vote succeeds, and parliament has to be dissolved as a result. Much more likely to happen, if not actually that likely to happen.

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