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Where was this feistier version of Nash during the last leadership race? If nothing else, I hope the last few years serve as a reminder to the NDP that they can't just sleep walk through important debates like who should succeed the party's most electorally successful leader in history. In some ways the 2015 election was so similar to what happened in Ontario and Toronto (and maybe BC? I'm not quite as familiar with that race) that it seems like it was unavoidable. But on the other hand a part of me feels like the seeds of that terrible 2015 strategy was sown during the post-Layton leadership race when, other than a couple not terribly successful attempts by the Topp campaign, there was almost no debate about policy or vision. If nothing else is learned from the last couple years I hope that the party at least understands that vigorous debates and the occasional real disagreement can energize a party rather than tearing it apart. A party or movement that is unwilling to ever criticize itself or have vigorous internal debates can't really complain when it's meticulously focused grouped sloganeering ends up falling flat.
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She was too busy working out a midwifery policy and how to pronounce "négotiatrice" with extra syllables to be feisty.
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Somehow I was unaware that Nash tried to have Cinco de Mayo recognized as International Midwife Day
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https://twitter.com/markusoff/status/719220116781539328 See the fun thing about being a party on a provincial level with a unique name is you can smear your opponents with the sins of the federal party but not get the same treatment in return.
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Typical Union and lefties, the results are late #ndp2016
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Welp. e: wrong number Jan fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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So 50% +1 is enough then?
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Mulcair set the bar at 30+1 so it's curtains for him.
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bunnyofdoom posted:So 50% +1 is enough then? 
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Goodbye Mulcair, sadly we knew ye far too well.
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Goodbye smiley grampa
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Shave the beard, Mulcair
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This is what you get for being a capitalist, Tom.
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Drunk Canuck posted:This is what you get for being a capitalist, Tom. Well, given Layton is still wildly popular, it'd be more accurate to say that this is what Mulcair gets for not pandering enough to the leftist tribe within the NDP, but I'll take a symbolic and possibly Pyrrhic victory where I can get it.
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Reminder Horwath got 78% in a similar situation (where her tactical decisions were an even more obvious cause of the defeat), the difference is Tom really never had understanding of party organization if he did he`d have at least avoided this public humiliation.
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Also holy poo poo those numbers are not what I expected. Mulcair didn't just lose symbolically, he outright had a majority of the delegates calling for a review.
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Gotta admit I can't help but feel sorry for Mulcair at this moment. The last six months have got to have been some of the most bitter and unpleasant moments of his entire life. DynamicSloth posted:Reminder Horwath got 78% in a similar situation (where her tactical decisions were on even more obvious cause of the defeat), the difference is Tom really never had understanding of party organization if he did he`d have at least avoided this public humiliation. I was at that convention and a refrain I hard quite often was that the ONDP had to focus on the (then imminent) federal election and therefore couldn't afford a leadership review. SO at least in part I think the 2015 election saved Horwath almost as much as it doomed Mulcair. The fact that the ONDP kept Horwath only to get nothing to show for it may also have somehow contributed to the sense that it was time for Mulcair to go.
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"Some" BC NDP "insiders" have complained that a leadership contest will gently caress with their ability to fight the 2017 election but we all know they're going to lose regardless because they're terrible.
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So um how's Megan's French?
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Pinterest Mom posted:So um I`ve heard good things, but can`t really judge myself. It must be at least as good as Cullen`s
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Helsing posted:Gotta admit I can't help but feel sorry for Mulcair at this moment. The last six months have got to have been some of the most bitter and unpleasant moments of his entire life. I agree with the last sentence, but instead of making me feel bad or sorry for him, it fills me with a warm sort of contentment.
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THC posted:"Some" BC NDP "insiders" have complained that a leadership contest will gently caress with their ability to fight the 2017 election but we all know they're going to lose regardless because they're terrible. Yeah, this is hilarious because the BCNDP are their own special brand of incompetent.
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Tom's staying on as interim leader, good 
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Pinterest Mom posted:Tom's staying on as interim leader, good It's basically what I would've wanted if I'd bothered going as a delegate. I don't think it's relevant to have a leadership contest now, but let's consider it in 2 years. There are no real alternatives right now, and if Mulcair really means to adopt the party's shift back to the left, he'll have plenty of time to prove it before this new contest.
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Good on Mulcair for not pulling a Jim Prentice. And God only knows where the party goes now.
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Well I'm glad to see him go, but I do wonder who will end up replacing him. I don't know if any of the structural problems within the NDP have really been resolved, but at least they might come to the forefront with an explicit challenge to what Mulcair did wrong.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ObuNd07fo&t=78s I'm gonna call it "good enough". If she doesn't run, I'm probably supporting Peter Julian? Solid left-wing choice, good french, an actual understanding of grassroots organising. Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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lmao that anyone thinks Canada will ever elect an NDP PM
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vyelkin posted:Well I'm glad to see him go, but I do wonder who will end up replacing him. I don't know if any of the structural problems within the NDP have really been resolved, but at least they might come to the forefront with an explicit challenge to what Mulcair did wrong. The problem all along was that Mulcair had too much hair between him and the voters. The solution is to make Nathan Cullen the next leader.
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Cultural Imperial posted:lmao that anyone thinks Canada will ever elect an NDP PM Welcome back.
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Thanks bro I missed u all
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Prediction - Leap will hang around the federal NDP's neck like a millstone until the next federal election, no matter now many or how few of it's tenets are adopted. Notley and the Alberta NDP will break away from the federal party and rename themselves (merge with the Alberta Party perhaps?) in a desperate attempt to save themselves. If much of Leap is adopted, the NDP is looking at a return to Audrey McLaughlin levels of support. Just as the old saying about real Liberals goes, when given a choice between the NDP pretending to be the Green party and the real thing, people will pick the real thing. Edit: oh forgot to mention, the leadership race will be almost entirely dominated by pro and anti-Leap candidates. A pro-leap candidate will win. Ron_Jeremy fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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11 people in attawapiskat attempted suicide last night. Maybe they heard Tom mulcair isn't getting out of politics
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Time to restart the clock, on both CI's next ban and another NDP leader who's most memorable contribution to the party will be their passing.
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I can't believe you dumb fucks elected this loving clown: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...rticle29573028/ this article is worthless to read so tl;dr: quote:The provincial and federal governments must act quickly to improve transit and transportation, as our region’s slow commute times are negatively affecting productivity and perceptions. shut up u loving moron
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The NDP Socialist Caucus is cool and good, now they have 24 months to vet a perfect leader to stop Trudeau
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Cultural Imperial posted:I can't believe you dumb fucks elected this loving clown: Are you simply incapable of not trash talking in every single post you make? If you hate people so much maybe you need to leave civilization and go live in the bush.
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I'm surprised none of you have talked about the fact a Tory political appointment tried to go against the new Science Minister and keep the Tory plan for the NRC to the point he got canned at the 100th anniversary celebration.
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