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SmokingFrog0641 posted:For what it's worth, I'd like to second the idea that we should avoid another round of stats talk. Any further argument will likely just cause an intractable stalemate again. I second Sprite, anything Basch can do Gil can do better. And Basch doesn't have an MC2. Basch's best draw is how good his shield is.
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The better character to compare Basch to is Leon, since Basch's main draw is his shield which is a Hand of the Emperor clone. Basch has much higher HP & ATK but Leon has higher DEF, MAG, and SPD. Basch has more equipment options including katanas, hammers, and fists while Leon gets bow access for backrow shenanigans. Basch has Combat 5, Knight 5, and Samurai 4. Leon has Combat 5, Knight 5, Darkness 5, and Black Magic 3. Basically Leon is a bit more versatile on ability spread once we get Darkness abilities while Basch has more flexibility in equipment options and can drawtaliate.
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I don't suppose there's any way to fix the awful lagginess if I'm playing on Bluestacks is there? I dread having to scroll through equipment lists and having to click five or six times for it to register in the menus is getting a little old. I've just been plugging through the core dungeons today, I was able to do the first three difficulty levels of the dailies, though the third requires me to get someone with Mighty Guard/Sentinel's Grimoire. Ran out of gil though so I can't even fully use the upgrade materials I got today. Ah well.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Out of curiosity, anyone planning on pulling on the Relm 1 banner tonight? It looks like an overall solid banner although I'll be passing on it myself. Relm's medica is fantasitc, Shadow's SSB is a great damage tool, Strago's got a DEF/RES breakdown SB which is neat on a mage... the weakest thing is Celes' sword which isn't necessarily a bad consolation prize. Not Relm 1, but I will absolutely be doing a 50 pull on Relm 2. Celes SSB is excellent (and makes several bosses down the road much easier), Terra SSB is unexceptional but still useful since I can run a mage team, Relm's hat is the best +magic hat in the game and has a situationally useful SB, Kefka's cloak gives me a good faithga for my mage team which doesn't conflict with its hastega (currently I have both Garnet's Leviathan and her SSB, so I have to pick which I want -- which is always Divine Guardian), and Wing Edge isn't terrible at all. Even the completely generic Oath Veil is +20% damage to Meltdown once we get it.
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Samba De Amigo posted:I second Sprite, anything Basch can do Gil can do better. And Basch doesn't have an MC2. Basch will have better offensive stats than Giglamesh, so if what you're looking for is "hits harder" and Basch can equip the skills you want, then yes, Basch would be better. His biggest downside really is the fact that he's getting screwed out of an MC2 when Agrias, Ramza, and Relm (and all characters released after Basch) will all be getting theirs in their release event, while Basch has to wait many months for some reason. Kawalimus posted:I guess I just don't believe that peoples complaints about transparency are the genuine reason people are upset. Though they should definitely be more transparent! To go with the slot machine example, it's like if the slot machine advertised "10% chance of a payout!!" (we don't even get that much info from DeNA, but whatever). The same slot machine in Japan has to display its rates, and showed rates of: 1% - $10,000 6% - $1,000 3% - $1.50. And data analysis showed that this slot machine had always previously conformed (more or less) to the same rates. But then just before the bus full of retirees arrived at the casino, the rates were secretly changed to: 1% - $10,000 1% - $1,000 8% - $1.50 Well, now this slot machine is a lot less appealing, isn't it? They're obviously free to change their rates, but when they do it secretly just before a highly anticipated event and made the odds of getting something good much much worse than what all previous experience said it would be, it's pretty skeezy. So people are mostly mad that they made the banner worse. However, transparency would allow people to know when DeNA was rigging the game against the player and at least make an informed decision. Edit: Zurai posted:Even the completely generic Oath Veil is +20% damage to Meltdown once we get it. Oh, Meltdown is wind element? That's neat, since I already pulled the oath veil as an off-banner item a while ago. Double-edit: Ah, I see it's Fire/Wind/Earth. OK. Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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Probably not tonight given I have no mythril but I'm probably pulling on banner 1. I'm definitely pulling on something because I have no natural 5* relics for FFVI yet.
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Is the only/best way to cycle rw by burning them in the first dungeon? I really want one of my shouts to show up, getting frustrated by the lack of native shout 
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Erdricks posted:Is the only/best way to cycle rw by burning them in the first dungeon? Keep in mind you can only summon each person on your friends list 1/day. So if you only have two shout RWs on your list you can only bring a shout RW into a dungeon twice in one day.
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So I'm playing catchup and finally got to the Lunasarus fight. IS their awful bullshit just something that happens in the elite fight? They started out using Bio on single targets and... well they were dead before they did anything else other than counter-reflect when Greg used Fire Blossom.  Sancutary Keeper (classic) also went down in a single round because any boss that you can go in to pre-buffed is a joke since it means they're going to probably take 50k a round at minimum and over 100k a round with the best attacks used. Greg needs something better than double cut though (since hit hits 9999 with strong single target skills, and 5-6k+ x2 with double cut). I should probably hone Thief's Revenge and bring Locke or maybe Zidane due to having his SSB but Greg with r3 Fire Blossom is actually my trash-wiping character on my current team setup. I've been tempted to drop Tyro for someone else but I need a 2nd person who can use 4* white magic so I can keep Shellga/Protectga going. Plus having him curaja for 4k is still handy for those levels with annoying AOE happy enemies. I'm up to 25 mythril right now and between Relm's event and the daily dungeon changes tomorrow I think I could hit 50+ before the FFT banner ends. I want to do another 11-pull for Agrias's relics since it'd solidify her use on my team because I I need to make a spot it's her or Greg who'd get the boot (since Lightning has a SB and out-damages them both as a result). Someone please talk me down from this ledge.  Beasteh posted:I'm debating whether to throw 50 mythril at Relm 1. Those SSB options...  Twelve by Pies posted:I don't suppose there's any way to fix the awful lagginess if I'm playing on Bluestacks is there? I dread having to scroll through equipment lists and having to click five or six times for it to register in the menus is getting a little old. You could try a different program like Genymotion, and then jack up the amount of RAM/VRAM your device's virtual machine uses. I did that for the Brave Frontier JP client back when I used to play it and it gave me 60fps(?) at all times even when using SBB spam with all effects turned on. Erdricks posted:Is the only/best way to cycle rw by burning them in the first dungeon? There's a ton of Shouts in the thread, though you might have to go back a few pages, and hope to have a RW to get them to add you as a mutual friend. If you have Hand of the Emperor, or get Basch's shield, you'll be popular for Shout users.
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Erdricks posted:Is the only/best way to cycle rw by burning them in the first dungeon? You can cut your refresh costs in half by doing the first stage of FFIV Fabul Castle - it's the only stage in the game that's only 1 stamina! But basically yes.
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Apr 11, 2016 21:32
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Erdricks posted:Is the only/best way to cycle rw by burning them in the first dungeon? DXRM for Shout seeking Wall. 
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Grimalkin posted:DXRM for Shout seeking Wall. HBvA for wall. Lets be friends
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Schwartzcough posted:Basch will have better offensive stats than Giglamesh, so if what you're looking for is "hits harder" and Basch can equip the skills you want, then yes, Basch would be better. His biggest downside really is the fact that he's getting screwed out of an MC2 when Agrias, Ramza, and Relm (and all characters released after Basch) will all be getting theirs in their release event, while Basch has to wait many months for some reason. Alright, I may go ahead and burn the lodes just for future versatility. I have HotE on Leon and generally run with him, but he can't drawtaliate. I had just thought about just staying stingy with the lodes and subbing in Basch when necessary, since I would basically only be using Greg for drawtaliate bosses like Wiegraf. I had failed to notice that Basch somehow isn't getting his MC2. I generally have: Zell - Meteor Impact Agrias - Hallowed Bolt Leon - HotE Vanille - Miracle Prayer Sahz - Boon
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Ichigeki's entire problem is that Shadow isn't very good and Interceptor isn't recruitable by himself. If you're pulling on Relm 1, it's because you either want to run Shadow with Lifesiphon and not much else and just have him spam his SSB constantly when Shout is active, or you want Relm's medica, which is literally "Hymn of the Fayth but better". The other relics are good, but they're not good enough to pull for unless you really like Strago or Edgar. Otherwise, you're better off waiting for Relm 2, Celes's SSB (aka Grand Cross But Better) and one last chance and Maduin's Horn. As far as Basch's banners, Basch's shield gives a good (if Lv65) character a good SB plus it's a nice stat-stick for anyone wanting to pack Banishing Strike/Saint Cross, but past that it's actually less outstanding than Fran's SSB.
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Ok for someone who already has the following from FFT banner: Defender+ Kaiser Shield+ NuKai Armband Convince me to pack it in and wait for the eventual nightmare support banner for another shot or go all in for that Platinum sword with the 200 mythril I have left. My reasoning to hold out is that I only have one 'hit' left on the banner (2 if you can count the staff). I'm just wary of chasing that one elusive relic and burning all my resources for nothing like I've seen people do. I'm sure my synergy is good enough to hold my own with using shout RWs but then again it would be nice to have shout to use at my leisure....
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Ok for someone who already has the following from FFT banner: Do you have Wall? If so, you will be fine with RW Shout.
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Apr 11, 2016 22:16
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The thing about nightmare banners is that they are lucky banners. Meaning you only get one single shot at them and what you get is what you get. I wouldn't rely on them for chances at one specific relic for that reason. Sure the pool is more narrow since it's only for people with 5* whatever, but it's still going to be a large pool of items to try and hope for a miracle single specific item out of it.
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SmokingFrog0641 posted:Alright, I may go ahead and burn the lodes just for future versatility. I have HotE on Leon and generally run with him, but he can't drawtaliate. I had just thought about just staying stingy with the lodes and subbing in Basch when necessary, since I would basically only be using Greg for drawtaliate bosses like Wiegraf. I had failed to notice that Basch somehow isn't getting his MC2. Do yourself a favor. Make and hone the 3* dragoon abilities and leaching leap. There are a lot of dragoon users out there, and the ability to hit elements and heal themselves really opens them up. Characters like kain and freya are legit good. Without dragoon skills, they loose a lot. Gilgamesh can use the good moves from dragoon, which just adds to his worth. Gilgamesh can make use of knight's banish blade and armor strike, samurai's multiple aoe abilities, as well as hit elemental weaknesses and heal himself through dragoon. Trust me on this, there is more to use him than just drawtaliate. And seriously, you do not want to build for just one party with varying skills. There are a plethora of characters with wide enough skill sets that in just using knight characters alone, with no overlapping skills, you can pull off a combo like this: Armor strike and draw fire on basch. An elemental dragoon jump + samurai aoe on gilgamesh. Saint's cross + bloody raid on leon. With cecil or beatrix you can have protega + banish strike. Blind shot + leeching leap on edgar. Wait, can edgar use dragoon abilities? Well whatever, mechanist 5 and knight 5 is a really nice skillset. Or how about steiner with spellblade abilities? Sure he's a knight, but you don't have to stick knight skills on him. Sprite141 fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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OK goons, its indecision time. I'm going to have 50 mythril by the time FFT is over and i want to do another pull. Note, i'm already like, 300 mythril into this banner and i have everything except Ramza and Agrias sword. Shout is so meta-defining i'm tempted to do it, but at the same time i already have everything else and i have Flames of Wrath + HotE anyways. I don't have wall, so if i dont get native Shout I wont be able to get it. I don't think i need anything from the upcoming banners, which is nice (i would be tempted for Terra's SSB but i already have Rinoa's SB and SSB so shes my teams perma-mage). The only realms i'm missing synergy for is 8, 10, 12, 13. Also, i honed L3 Alexander for the FFT ultimate fight and i still only got expert. Grr, gonna try it again. Lechtansi fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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Sprite141 posted:Blind shot + leeching leap on edgar. Wait, can edgar use dragoon abilities? Well whatever, mechanist 5 and knight 5 is a really nice skillset. Combat 5, Knight 5, Machinist 5, Support 3 (which is made utterly worthless by Machinist 5, save for Intimidate). Mog is technically FF6's Dragoon with his whopping 2 ranks in it, enough to use bog standard Jump.
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Edgar is kind of a dark horse after his Machinist buff. He's not amazing, but Saint's Cross on a tanky Machinist is enough to raise some eyebrows as far as ability spreads go if you need a Status inflictor.
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Lechtansi posted:OK goons, its indecision time. I'm going to have 50 mythril by the time FFT is over and i want to do another pull. Note, i'm already like, 300 mythril into this banner and i have everything except Ramza and Agrias sword. Shout is so meta-defining i'm tempted to do it, but at the same time i already have everything else and i have Flames of Wrath + HotE anyways. I don't have wall, so if i dont get native Shout I wont be able to get it. I have a complete Trinity + Shout and I actually use this as a way to forego Y'Shtola so I can carry 3 DPS + Ramza + Lenna with her Medica rather than trying to cram all parts of it into the same party. If you have everything BUT Shout you're basically in the same boat as people who have everything minus a small amount of flexibility. Edit: I'm stupid. If you don't have Wall I think this is not a bad time to go all in on Shout since it's a game changer that you nevertheless won't necessarily want to RW over Wall.
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Niton posted:Edgar is kind of a dark horse after his Machinist buff. He's not amazing, but Saint's Cross on a tanky Machinist is enough to raise some eyebrows as far as ability spreads go if you need a Status inflictor. It helps that his SBs are all pretty good, though Bio Blaster kind of got invalidated by Venom Shell. Really, the two Figaro brothers sucked a fair bit when they were first released since we didn't have any Monk or Knight skills, but they've gotten a lot better as their skillsets have filled out. Kind of a shame that Snow does both of their non-Machinist gimmicks just as good as they do.
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KataraniSword posted:It helps that his SBs are all pretty good, though Bio Blaster kind of got invalidated by Venom Shell. Yeah, I have Edgar's Drill, which is actually kind of a sweet SB, and it makes me wonder why I don't use him more (the answer is that I have a ton of Knights with good SBs, so he's "only" my best Machinist). On that note: If you are running a Shout team, pretty much all 5.xx / 3 hit SBs are the same power as the old 3-hit SSBs. Take a look and see who you have in that power range, running a permanent +50-75% attack does wonder for their usability.
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Apr 11, 2016 22:37
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Evil Fluffy posted:So I'm playing catchup and finally got to the Lunasarus fight. IS their awful bullshit just something that happens in the elite fight? They started out using Bio on single targets and... well they were dead before they did anything else other than counter-reflect when Greg used Fire Blossom. You might have been really lucky. The first time I did that fight on Classic I was already S/Ling because of the Bad Breath bullshit and distinctly remember thinking "I'm going to despise doing this on Elite". When I finally got caught up on all Story dungeon Elites, I purposely saved the Lunasaurs fight for the last thing I had to clear because I feared it. And it completely lived up to the dread I feared, because I spent a long time reloading over and over, just praying not to get hosed by Bad Breath. It's the dumbest, most unfun fight in the game. And it's "only" like a 119 or something right? Yet it's more annoying than all the 140's that are in the game right now. Well I mean okay, it's not HARD in theory when you have infinite reloads... and you could finaly get that one lucky run where Bad Breath doesn't completely send your battle plans into chaos... but....
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KataraniSword posted:It helps that his SBs are all pretty good, though Bio Blaster kind of got invalidated by Venom Shell. Not at all, actually. It's the only aoe poison application in the game. It's also poison elemental, and does respectable damage.
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Shoenin posted:How much longer until we can begin feeding an overweight bird weed? Wednesday morning.
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I just finished the last of my elite dungeons, so now I'm done with all the released dungeon content. So what kind of stuff can we get from trading in the greens? I like that they're resetting the completions on the dailies, I could really use that mithril. What is the ideal auto battle set up for rm's? I figure one holy damage (when useful), rebel might, hunger of the qu (which I still think is the best life steal rm, 30% chance at drain strike is so good), drsgon determination, thunderstroke, and sometimes zealot. Dark cecil is prob only useful doing these daily dungeon grinds.
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superloosegoose posted:I just finished the last of my elite dungeons, so now I'm done with all the released dungeon content. Rebel's Might is better than Dragoon's Determination. Sap actually takes a decent chunk out of your health even in short fights.
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Sprite141 posted:Not at all, actually. It's the only aoe poison application in the game. It's also poison elemental, and does respectable damage. Phantom Traaaaaaaain why did you forsake us
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Niton posted:Rebel's Might is better than Dragoon's Determination. Sap actually takes a decent chunk out of your health even in short fights. Arguable, especially if you have a native Divine Guardian or Mighty Guard (VIII), which removes that penalty at the start of the fight with Mako Might/Dr Mog's. Also for those arguing Basch/Gilgamesh, Basch has better ATK, Gilgamesh has better DEF. Gilgamesh gets jumps and Flashing Blade, Basch can unlock the ability to use Dark Raid. In a vacuum I'd say Gilgamesh is slightly better because of his versatility, but Basch is right on his heels and if you're going for the offense route is pretty much the best Knight you can ask for due to being one of four Knights (the others being Leon, Seifer and Golbez) that can do Dark Raid + Saint Cross.
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There is a lot of Final Fantasy VI to play at once. Every other stage has been "Well there's 2-5 dungeons and then go do something else" but VI just keeps piling them on. I assume this came out before the awful iOS/Android version of FFVI because otherwise they would have used it for the portraits like they did with the awful FFV ones.
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I think I'm going to do a 50 mythril pull tonight and then save for basch's event because I have absolutely no XII synergy except for some lovely combined 4 star swords. Celes ssb looks awfully tasty though.
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I'm gonna tear my hair out trying to get down Wiegraf++ down for Saint's Cross and Ramza's MC2. I made it to the last 1% with Tauntaliate on Gilgamesh before running out of steam/walls. Should I be bringing in Shout or another attack buff RW to burn him faster, or some backup Sentinel Grimoires/Stoneskin 2s?
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I've managed to get a second Platinum Sword. I've already got one maxed out at 20/20; should I just go ahead and combine 'em, or should I max out the other one so that I'll have two 5* FFT swords available? I also have a 20/20 Spellbinder, if that makes any difference.
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Twelve by Pies posted:There is a lot of Final Fantasy VI to play at once. Every other stage has been "Well there's 2-5 dungeons and then go do something else" but VI just keeps piling them on. Yeah in the grand scheme of things they focused a lot on FFIV through VI at the start because they didn't have to redraw those enemies as sprites. Effort picked up eventually. And I'm pretty sure the mobile port existed, but they chose to use the SNES's portraits anyway. Probably because the backlash was greater against that than any of the other mobile ports? I don't know.
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Twelve by Pies posted:There is a lot of Final Fantasy VI to play at once. Every other stage has been "Well there's 2-5 dungeons and then go do something else" but VI just keeps piling them on. Surprisingly, no. The Mobile/Steam version of 6 predates FFRK by a year if not closer to two. Thus, why they chose to use vintage SNES graphics for that like they did in the JP version, but "upgraded" 3/4/5 to their ugly DS/Mobile remake graphics is a goddamn mystery.
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I wish agrias's stasis sword equivalent didn't look so ugly, I always thought it was the coolest looking Attack in fft. Having two -40% Attack/magic SB's (agrias' cleansing strike and faris' sea lords broadside) is so sexy, AND the kaiser shield adds 17 Attack! What a plump item star-wise. I dumped 20 Rosetta stones into my organics, is it worth it to dump any into a rod or something for the magic boost? I gotta spend this excalipoor! EDIT: is ultros worth upgrading? I'm hesitant to spend my ice orbs. Also, should I up meteor to r3? I have maduin r5, Odin t1, and valefor r4. What other summons are worth it besides alexandr? superloosegoose fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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