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Incredible. The story and media narrative has gone from the problems of tax evasion and avoidance and governmental complicity in keeping tax havens functioning, to inheritance tax and Corbyn's tax return (while Cameron released a lovely little A4 scribbling). The media, and this country, are hosed. Also, it seems the Panama Papers have pretty much died, there's been very little new information it seems...
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Heisenberg1276 posted:On first count I got £1650 for 11 lectures. I don't know where they got £1800. Yeah I dunno, maybe he didn't actually get paid for the March 4th one till April or something. Either way, I think that the register of members interests suggests that if anything, Corbyn managed to overpay - can someone with twitter point this out to the Sun or something? I guess that's likely to get a quicker response than an email complaint...
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Apr 12, 2016 09:33
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Christ tax shite is dull
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Apr 12, 2016 09:38
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That stupid "our tax system shown through a round of beer" thing is circulating on facebook again. While I do enjoy pointing out to people that it's not even close to how tax system works it does infuriate me that it still circulates, thing is like 8 years old.quote:Also, it seems the Panama Papers have pretty much died, there's been very little new information it seems... There's 11.5 million documents. It's literally the biggest document leak in history and much like the NSA files (of which there is only 50'000 files) expect stories to come out in drips. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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Apr 12, 2016 09:40
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the more tories we can get on the news explaining that its all perfectly fine because its completely legal to not pay taxes whilst they cut public services because there isnt enough money the better imo, lets get this class war started
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Apr 12, 2016 09:47
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Party Boat posted:Is Corbyn the only one to release an actual tax return so far? The Beeb has done a rundown of who's published what. Corbyn, Sturgeon, McDonnell, and - surprisingly - Umunna have all published their complete tax forms.
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Pesmerga posted:Incredible. The story and media narrative has gone from the problems of tax evasion and avoidance and governmental complicity in keeping tax havens functioning, to inheritance tax and Corbyn's tax return (while Cameron released a lovely little A4 scribbling). The media, and this country, are hosed. What did you expect? The media had the Panama Papers for like a year before the release, if there was anything else really juicy to be found in them we'd know about it. (That doesn't mean that there's not a vast amount of graft and corruption in our government, just that it's being done through other lawyers, or in papers not leaked from that lawyer). I was never really expecting any material consequences for this, but hopefully it's gone some way to damaging the Tories' credibility. Interestingly, Ashcroft seems to be in active rebellion against Cameron at the moment, which might make a long-term difference...
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SDZ aren't going to be done reading the papers until May, at which point they'll discuss what they can do with them thespaceinvader posted:What did you expect? The media had the Panama Papers for like a year before the release, if there was anything else really juicy to be found in them we'd know about it. 11 million documents
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Apr 12, 2016 10:18
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ThomasPaine posted:Christ tax shite is dull It really is.
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Apr 12, 2016 10:33
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I complained to the Sun. They seem confused.
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Jippa posted:It really is. Calling out toxic hypocrites with too much power is always a hoot though.
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Here's something a little heartening then: survey polling Arab youths in the Middle East and North Africa finds over 85% would have nothing to do with Daesh / ISIS even if the group abandoned the violence. Other bits of interest are that they are concerned with civil liberties in general and for women in particular, and believe religion plays too big of a part in their daily lives. A nice contrast from the typical EVERY MUSLIM IS A RELIGIOUS NUTTER WHO WANTS TO ACKBAR YOUR CHILDREN reporting we usually get.
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OvineYeast posted:I complained to the Sun. They seem confused. You complained because they seemed confused or they seemed confused by your complaint?
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Party Boat posted:You complained because they seemed confused or they seemed confused by your complaint? Both, I think.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Calling out toxic hypocrites with too much power is always a hoot though. No argument there I was just agreeing that tax chat makes my eyes glaze over.
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thespaceinvader posted:What did you expect? The media had the Panama Papers for like a year before the release, if there was anything else really juicy to be found in them we'd know about it. Dude, 11.5 million documents. 2'600GB of data. NSA Files was 50'000 documents, of which only 400 were released Wikileaks Cables was 250'000 documents. The papers involved in this leak have spent significant money and man power researching these documents. They will start with the biggest stories, involvement to politicians, then it will move on to celebrities, then major figures in companies. This isn't some race either, all the papers involved have an agreement about what stories break and who gets to break them and as they aren't publicly available they can take as long as they want. This story is going to be drip fed to us over months. To put it in perspective, the first set of stories comprised of only 149 documents and targeted heads of state. The ICIJ have stated the next batch will come early May and involve major companies this time. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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Apr 12, 2016 11:01
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I demand to see Pissflaps tax return. UKMT needs to know the answers.
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Apr 12, 2016 11:03
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Some more heartening news, the government has been defeated by the Lords again. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/house-of-lords-defeats-some-of-governments-plans-for-starter-homes-a6979831.html quote:Peers vote for amendments to the Housing and Planning Bill amid fears that "affordable" homes would be nothing of the sort
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This all just reminds me of the scene in Jingo by Terry Pratchett where the city leaders are discussing how the city is bankrupt and what they can do about it.quote:"Would you be so good as to assemble a squad of your most experienced men, liaise with the tax gatherers and obtain the accumulated back Taxes, please? My clerk here will give you a list of the prime defaulters.'
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Ludicro posted:Some more heartening news, the government has been defeated by the Lords again. Is aristocratic oligarchy the only thing saving the people from heartless democracy?  It's like we're living in a 18th century political tract.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I demand to see Pissflaps tax return. UKMT needs to know the answers. I've already told you I don't submit a tax return.
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Ludicro posted:Some more heartening news, the government has been defeated by the Lords again. quote:Under the government's plans, those buying in London could get a discount of up to £112,000 and those outside the capital over £60,000, which the purchaser could keep if they sold after five years.
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Pissflaps posted:I've already told you I don't submit a tax return. Brutal. Can Corbyn survive this revelation?
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Apr 12, 2016 11:26
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Mega Comrade posted:Dude, 11.5 million documents. 2'600GB of data.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Brutal. Can Corbyn survive this revelation? Yes, unfortunately.
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Guavanaut posted:Does that make Mossack Fonseca a data storage company? They're probably wishing they didn't follow Pissflaps advice of keeping copies.
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Pissflaps posted:I've already told you I don't submit a tax return. We demand to see the P155. Hand over the piss slips, you godless oligarch.
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I can't take credit for coming up with the the concept of maintaining financial records.
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Mega Comrade posted:That stupid "our tax system shown through a round of beer" thing is circulating on facebook again. While I do enjoy pointing out to people that it's not even close to how tax system works it does infuriate me that it still circulates, thing is like 8 years old. because if you earn a couple of million pounds a year and go the pub with some of your friends who are on jsa or minimum wage and expect them to buy their own drinks you would be a tight fisted bastard with no mates so it is sort of how it works
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Guavanaut posted:Does that make Mossack Fonseca a data storage company? On recent form, they're more of a data distribution company 
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Pissflaps posted:I can't take credit for coming up with the the concept of maintaining financial records. Blaming someone else. Typical Pissflaps.
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It's this incompetence and lack of responsibility that makes me think pissflaps is an inadequate leader for the Labour Party. Guess we'll have to make do with Corbyn.
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Trin Tragula posted:On recent form, they're more of a data distribution company 
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Pissflaps, have you ever even see a tax return form? It's like 30 pages long - no-one ever fills it in duplicate so you can have a spare copy! If you have to submit a paper one, then HMRC only send you one copy to fill and return anyway, so unless you expect everyone to photocopy the form afterwards then this is possibly the stupidest thing you've said for weeks. It isn't even part of your financial records because it is just a summary of your records for the HMRC. You don't need a copy, because you should still have the original records that you used to generate the summary for the HMRC to look at (and keep them for 5 years).
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OzyMandrill posted:so unless you expect everyone to photocopy the form afterwards then this is possibly the stupidest thing you've said for weeks. This seems like the simplest way of retaining a copy of a paper based form.
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Apr 12, 2016 12:13
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Just got my 34p of gov money in the form of a leaflet. Too bad they wasted it since I cant vote
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Apr 12, 2016 12:26
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 She needs a maternity unit, not an European Union referendum.
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tbf I'm pretty sure that she could have done without the referendum. It's a bit suspect when they decide to hold an open public referendum and then themselves publish material using public money to back one side or the other. Like if in 2020 they spent £9m on sending a pamphlet called "Why the current Government believes that voting Conservative in the upcoming election is the best decision for the UK." to every home in the country.
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According to Politics Home, Jeremy Corbyn overstated income on his tax return, which would mean he's due a rebate, right? Someone explain to me how this is bad for Corbyn please.
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forkboy84 posted:According to Politics Home, Jeremy Corbyn overstated income on his tax return, which would mean he's due a rebate, right? it does mean he's a bit rubbish at filling out forms, which is completely understandable and really common, but also not a great quality for people in charge of running a country.
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