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Guavanaut posted:tbf I'm pretty sure that she could have done without the referendum. Nice of you to join us, Daniel Hannan: Daniel Hannan posted:Austerity is evidently not for everybody. There might not be money for junior doctors or people on disability allowances, but there’s money to tell us to vote to stay in the EU. 
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forkboy84 posted:According to Politics Home, Jeremy Corbyn overstated income on his tax return, which would mean he's due a rebate, right? CORBYN TRIES TO IMPRESS HMRC STAFF BY LYING ABOUT HIS INCOME. This is bad for Corbyn.
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Apr 12, 2016 12:51
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forkboy84 posted:According to Politics Home, Jeremy Corbyn overstated income on his tax return, which would mean he's due a rebate, right? He's disorganised, incompetent, confused and innumerate.
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Apr 12, 2016 12:51
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hookerbot 5000 posted:it does mean he's a bit rubbish at filling out forms, which is completely understandable and really common, but also not a great quality for people in charge of running a country. But on the otherhand, he's not a pigfucker who hordes his wealth overseas until he's just about to become PM. Which is worse? It's Corbyn, isn't it 'Flaps?
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Apr 12, 2016 12:52
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hookerbot 5000 posted:it does mean he's a bit rubbish at filling out forms, which is completely understandable and really common, but also not a great quality for people in charge of running a country. Lol if you think the Prime Minister ever has to fill out forms.
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forkboy84 posted:According to Politics Home, Jeremy Corbyn overstated income on his tax return, which would mean he's due a rebate, right? I'm just saying I broke this story here first.
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Apr 12, 2016 12:56
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Pissflaps posted:He's disorganised, incompetent, confused and innumerate. And His mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries.
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Apr 12, 2016 12:58
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forkboy84 posted:But on the otherhand, he's not a pigfucker who hordes his wealth overseas until he's just about to become PM. Which is worse? I agree, I would much rather Corbyn in charge than Cameron and a lot of the other Labour party candidates. But with all his good qualities of actually being a human being rather than a crippled husk, inattention to detail is not the quality I would be shouting about. Lord of the Llamas posted:Lol if you think the Prime Minister ever has to fill out forms. He may not have to, but he should be able to.
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Apr 12, 2016 12:59
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How else did Gordon Brown borrow all the poonds?
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Apr 12, 2016 13:01
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forkboy84 posted:According to Politics Home, Jeremy Corbyn overstated income on his tax return, which would mean he's due a rebate, right? idiot cant count get him out now
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Apr 12, 2016 13:14
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David Cameron counts so well that that he knew exactly how much of his money he needed to store overseas in order to avoid paying tax on it. Jeremy Corbyn is so bad at counting that he got his tax return all wrong. This just goes to prove why David Cameron is the leader that this country needs.
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Apr 12, 2016 13:16
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Jeremy Corbyn is a human being and makes small mistakes from time to time. Naturally this is bad for Jeremy Corbyn.
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Apr 12, 2016 13:21
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forkboy84 posted:According to Politics Home, Jeremy Corbyn overstated income on his tax return, which would mean he's due a rebate, right? corbyn will overpay the EU and bankrupt us with his bad bookkeeping China doesn't do rebates comrade corbyn!
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Apr 12, 2016 13:25
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Mega Comrade posted:Dude, 11.5 million documents. 2'600GB of data. I appreciate that they have done so. And I appreciate the scale of the thing. But at the same time, we have pretty effective searching algorithms these days. I have no idea how the documents were actually physically (or electronically) passed over, but I'm guessing electronic given that we're talking about GB of data, so presumably they're in some kind of file structure... If there was going to be anything killer in there for our politicians, I feel like we'd know about it. I mean, I'll be glad if I'm proven wrong, but I doubt I will be.
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Apr 12, 2016 13:26
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The first reports about the Papers came out a little more than a week ago and even if they have trawled through everything already the media has an interest in publishing the story piecemeal to keep up the interest in it, so maybe we should just wait and see what comes out?
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Apr 12, 2016 13:32
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Guido Fawkes is having a great time pointing out that various Council pension funds, as well as the MPs pension fund all invest in funds that are domiciled in Jersey, Guernsey, and various other tax havens
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Apr 12, 2016 13:34
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they should be paying their taxes imho
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Apr 12, 2016 13:45
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments "As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black."
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Apr 12, 2016 13:46
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thespaceinvader posted:I appreciate that they have done so. And I appreciate the scale of the thing. A searching algorithm only helps if you know who to look for. Plus remember that these files go back 40 years, the majority of them are going to be photocopies of written documents which are much more difficult to algorithmically search. But yes, I imagine the majority of the politician stories directly involved has passed. You likely will get more stories around Politicians cousins, friends and other such links though as finding them is more a case of 'this persons done some dodgy stuff, who are they? Oh its Gideons Best Man " etc etc And as I said, in May it's onto the companies and corporations. Who wants to bet that Philip Green's name comes up?
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Apr 12, 2016 13:52
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Jippa posted:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments Typical Guardian readers, innit? Where's the hate for Rafael Behr & Matthew d'Ancona? Idiot commenters.
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Apr 12, 2016 13:54
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thespaceinvader posted:I appreciate that they have done so. And I appreciate the scale of the thing. i think a huge amount of the files were scans of documents that takes a really long time to turn into something that is searchable
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tentish klown posted:Guido Fawkes is having a great time pointing out that various Council pension funds, as well as the MPs pension fund all invest in funds that are domiciled in Jersey, Guernsey, and various other tax havens Remember that time Paul Staines went on Newsnight, shown only in silhouette to hide his identity, which Paxman thought was absurd, & the other studio guest, Michael White, said "oh, it's Paul Staines"? Literally the only thing I've ever enjoyed that was related to Paul Staines. The fact he still seems salty about his top secret identity being revealed just makes it tastier.
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forkboy84 posted:Typical Guardian readers, innit? Where's the hate for Rafael Behr & Matthew d'Ancona? Idiot commenters. Guardian comments seem to be gamer gaters and storm fronters.
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Apr 12, 2016 13:57
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Jippa posted:Guardian comments seem to be gamer gaters and storm fronters. This is true. The Guardian comment section always struck me as a bit odd to say the least. I mean the last thing I can be arsed doing is trolling through Daily Mail articles to talk up full communism now in their comment sections. Life is too short. Their bosses clearly need to give them more engaging tasks to perform.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:00
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Mega Comrade posted:A searching algorithm only helps if you know who to look for. Plus remember that these files go back 40 years, the majority of them are going to be photocopies of written documents which are much more difficult to algorithmically search. This is literally what I do for a living. Finding and analysing data in scanned documents. We're very good at it. 11 million documents might take a while though, and it'd generate a poo poo load of results to sort through.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:02
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Jose posted:i think a huge amount of the files were scans of documents that takes a really long time to turn into something that is searchable I assume they OCRed them, though that's not desperately reliable. Mega Comrade posted:A searching algorithm only helps if you know who to look for. Plus remember that these files go back 40 years, the majority of them are going to be photocopies of written documents which are much more difficult to algorithmically search. I assume you go through and run searches on, e.g. the surnames of major world leaders, which will be how they found Cameron's dad. Horrible dull work, until you get a solid hit. Your second point... this is where the left being the good guys will hurt. Because we've spent a lot of time criticising people for involving family in this sort of business. We shouted when Milliband's dad was dragged through the mud, and we shout when people bring up Piers Corbyn. And whilst these sorts of accusations are far more damaging, they're also a lot easier to defend against, basicaly on the basis of 'well YOU said we shouldn't talk about family *proceeds to attack anyone found in the papers with even a tangential connection to Labour* I'd assume that kind of tossbag would come up. But... does it make a huge difference to the Government? No.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:08
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thespaceinvader posted:I assume they OCRed them, though that's not desperately reliable. We're really good at that too.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:09
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OCR's actually gotten really good in recent years, lot better than it was when I was in college.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:16
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OwlFancier posted:OCR's actually gotten really good in recent years, lot better than it was when I was in college. I dunno about that really. I deal with entire collections that have been through OCR on a pretty constant basis and even for printed and typescript material (where you'd expect the accuracy to be highest) it still throws up constant errors. I can never plug a search term into an OCR'd archive and accept what results it gives me - I'm going and hunting through anything I think might be relevant by hand because I know for a fact that the computer will have hosed the dog somewhere.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:20
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The restaurant I worked in for a few months tried an OCR system for relaying orders to the kitchen. It lasted for about a week of hilarious errors before it promptly hosed off and we went back to just written tickets.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:22
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Yes the documents were all scans - they put them into a special tool they usually use for their archiving process and said it took several months of raw processing power even with the files in digital format.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:25
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Oberleutnant posted:I know for a fact that the computer will have hosed the dog somewhere.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:29
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Hang those that bum the puppy.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:35
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Oh, poo poo, it's hanging. *bangs side of machine*
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Apr 12, 2016 14:36
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im sickened that corbyn overestimated his earnings by £270 and as a paid up member of the labour party, demand a reelection for party leader
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Apr 12, 2016 14:38
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These panama papers are the nail in Corbyn's proverbial coffin.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:45
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I'm going to print out the papers and use them to make his literal coffin.  Corbyn too polite for this world.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:53
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I'm cataloguing some papers from the 1892 general election atm and one tory supporter whose local MP lost his seat lays the blame on the "agricultural deficiency in intellect", which is a really charming choice of words. Also he's really  about Gladstone's "Newcastle Programme" which promises to hold employers liable for workplace accidents.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:56
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If the working class don't have the intellect to conduct themselves properly around my open pit of boiling arsenic then I don't see why I should be the one punished for that.
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Pissflaps posted:He's disorganised, incompetent, confused and innumerate. But enough about Gideon...
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