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FoolyCharged posted:Welp, that's what? 3 dead characters in one episode? Four! 
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Three and a half, it's debatable Jack was really alive
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Apr 12, 2016 18:30
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I don't really play Borderlands, are Vault Monsters usually Kaiju sized?
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Apr 12, 2016 18:44
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Pyroi posted:I don't really play Borderlands, are Vault Monsters usually Kaiju sized? Oh yeah.
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Apr 12, 2016 18:44
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Gortys! Our precious robot daughter! D:
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Apr 12, 2016 18:58
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Only a bit in but jesus gently caress Rhys, that's desperate and metal as poo poo
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Apr 12, 2016 19:02
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Pyroi posted:I don't really play Borderlands, are Vault Monsters usually Kaiju sized? Yes, but this is big even for that standard.
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Apr 12, 2016 19:03
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Pyroi posted:I don't really play Borderlands, are Vault Monsters usually Kaiju sized? It's hard to find decent images of the vault guardians of the Borderlands games that really give off a sense of scale. If you want to get a better feel you can definitely look up videos, but for quick reference: In Borderlands 1 there was The Destroyer. In Borderlands 2 there was The Warrior. Finally, in Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel, there was The Empyrean Sentinel. They've all been big, yeah, though the one that just came out of this vault in Tales I'd argue is the biggest we've seen.
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Apr 12, 2016 19:03
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Current Humble Bundle (newest one up today, Telltale Bundle) includes Tales from the Borderlands in Beat The Average.
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Apr 12, 2016 19:07
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IAmTheRad posted:Current Humble Bundle (newest one up today, Telltale Bundle) includes Tales from the Borderlands in Beat The Average. And nabbed. Thanks for the heads up. As for the episode  well...it...can't get worse from here?
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Apr 12, 2016 19:16
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Tales From The Borderlands is so good.  IAmTheRad posted:Current Humble Bundle (newest one up today, Telltale Bundle) includes Tales from the Borderlands in Beat The Average. And it is definitely worth a purchase.
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Apr 12, 2016 19:28
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Well, with the endoskeleton there in the wreckage I have absolutely no clue who the Stranger is. Will this have a satisfactory explanation when they reveal it?
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Apr 12, 2016 19:47
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sleepy.eyes posted:Will this have a satisfactory explanation when they reveal it? You have no idea.
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Apr 12, 2016 19:49
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Poor Gortys looked so sad to be a giant robot. Also I liked the voice of broken Helios Jack. Nice touch.
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Apr 12, 2016 19:56
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drat, I forgot how awesome that part with Rhys was. Probably my favorite scene in the game. As for the choice for keeping or destroying the eye, I'm pretty sure the option to keep the eye is there to complete the parallel between Jack and Rhys if that's what you're going for. Just as Jack collected trophies of his conquests, Rhys would keep his imprisoned former idol turned greatest enemy as the first and no doubt central piece of his own trophy collection.
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Apr 12, 2016 19:57
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Hostile V posted:Also I liked the voice of broken Helios Jack. Nice touch. Sadly contemplative.... and then just for fuckin' spite, he decides to be evil anyway and kill Rhys! What a dick to the end.
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Apr 12, 2016 20:01
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I always keep the eye. I figure when Rhys goes on to success, he'd enjoy uploading Jack to a terminal with no network access and gloating, then imprisoning him again for a while.
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Apr 12, 2016 20:01
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Strayed posted:I'm pretty sure the option to keep the eye is there to complete the parallel between Jack and Rhys if that's what you're going for. Just as Jack collected trophies of his conquests, Rhys would keep his imprisoned former idol turned greatest enemy as the first and no doubt central piece of his own trophy collection. This makes sense. Still, I just have a hard time imagining Rhys continuing the cycle. Then again I always play him as a doof so YMMV.
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Apr 12, 2016 20:09
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JT Jag posted:I always keep the eye. I figure when Rhys goes on to success, he'd enjoy uploading Jack to a terminal with no network access and gloating, then imprisoning him again for a while. I really, really can't see Rhys ever being this evil, but I've really gotta hand it to the incredible writing for giving him the potential of being this evil. This is a Good Game.
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Apr 12, 2016 20:12
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I kinda wish there was a third option to deal with Kroger. The rotating elements is nice and all, but when I saw that knife in his chest, my first instinct was to grab it and start carving. Maybe kill him, maybe not, but at least (if you'll pardon the pun) twist the knife a bit first, since he just tried to do the same with the claim that he killed Sasha. Also yes, your claims for pacing do ring hollow to my ears.  But I don't think I'd have chosen any different in either of those, so I can't complain that much. Maybe just until the next video comes out. 
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Apr 12, 2016 20:13
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Felinoid posted:Also yes, your claims for pacing do ring hollow to my ears. I don't want to hype it up too much but the choice in the next video is literally the dopest thing and it's all on you guys
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Apr 12, 2016 20:15
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Panzer Skank posted:I really, really can't see Rhys ever being this evil, but I've really gotta hand it to the incredible writing for giving him the potential of being this evil. This is a Good Game.
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Apr 12, 2016 20:17
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Man, Telltale's writing hasn't been this good or this on-the-edge-of-my-seat since Walking Dead Season One.
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Apr 12, 2016 20:18
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Is there an achievement for shooting Finch with everything?
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Apr 12, 2016 21:03
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All the achievements are based on chapter completion. You'll 100% it just playing it normally.
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Apr 12, 2016 21:05
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I hope Vaugn is the stranger, if only because it's been far, far too long since our bro from accounting has been around. He kind of vanished from the story a ways back.
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Apr 12, 2016 21:17
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I didn't finish Finch because I thought the shot would have alerted Vallory. You mean I could have gotten my vengeance against him and continued the story normally!? 
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Apr 12, 2016 21:30
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Suspicious Cook posted:I didn't finish Finch because I thought the shot would have alerted Vallory. You mean I could have gotten my vengeance against him and continued the story normally!? He looked pretty dead either way with it just being a matter of time if you left him, was that not the case?
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Apr 12, 2016 21:33
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Finch is dead as poo poo I just prefer the satisfaction of doing it myself
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Apr 12, 2016 22:53
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Our beautiful Robot Children are both dead.  But at least Jack was also killed and in a pretty metal way. I like how he gives a sob story to make Rhys feel sympathy for him, but just to distract him so he can reupload himself and kill the dude. And then he gives a bullshit lie about being scared of dying and Rhys doesn't know what it's like when he's just an ai and has never actually died in the first place. I'm glad he's loving dead.
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Apr 12, 2016 22:58
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Personally I always leave Finch because gently caress him, I want him to die slowly. And I always keep Jack, not because I actually think Rhys would (especially not in all the grief and pain of that moment) but because I suspect keeping Jack is going to be the canon choice when the next Borderlands game comes out. They love Jack too much to get rid of him. Now that said, I want to talk about how Jack's story ended for a second because honestly, I don't like it. Jack stabbing you in the back makes sense, I know. It's in his nature. What I don't agree with is how it plays out. If you've had Rhys be a dick to Jack, yeah sure okay. Of course Jack would turn Rhys into a more literal meat puppet if you've been an rear end in a top hat to him all game. But if you haven't, it comes off as very abrupt and insincere from a writing standpoint. The betrayal felt more like the writers trying to reunite the two possible storylines. I feel like a better option might have been that Jack's betrayal of Rhys came not from a position of just being a dick (though he certainly is), but rather from a position of being betrayed himself. If you take the dialogue choice "Your daughter betrayed you?" Jack explains that once he got into the Helios systems, he checked up on his daughter and found the logs of her betraying him. But this is never mentioned except in retrospect - you're talking to Jack the entire time he's part of Helios and he never gives any indication that he used some subroutines to find out his daughter killed herself to get away from him. It's a huge missed opportunity in my opinion, especially since in the time between Episodes 4 and 5 coming out, the question of how Jack was going to react to finding out about Angel's death was on everybody's mind.
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CuwiKhons posted:Personally I always leave Finch because gently caress him, I want him to die slowly. And I always keep Jack, not because I actually think Rhys would (especially not in all the grief and pain of that moment) but because I suspect keeping Jack is going to be the canon choice when the next Borderlands game comes out. They love Jack too much to get rid of him. How could it be that this violent, manipulative sociopath would turn violent when Rhys could no longer be manipulated?
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Apr 13, 2016 00:00
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...?? In what way was Rhys no longer able to be manipulated? He was ostensibly in charge of Hyperion but had no idea what he was doing, making him entirely reliant on Jack. If anything he was much MORE manipulateable than he was when Jack was in his body because with Jack in control of Helios, he was in control of what information Rhys had access to. At any rate, I'm not saying it's weird that Jack is a power hungry rear end in a top hat who likes killing people. I'm saying the WAY he did it was weird.
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It's kind of ironic that the creature is only summons after helios has been brought down... when arguably the only thing that could have stopped that vault monster is helios firing moonshots into it. Once again, Jack fucks everything up and pulls defeat from the jaws of victory.
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CuwiKhons posted:...?? In what way was Rhys no longer able to be manipulated? He was ostensibly in charge of Hyperion but had no idea what he was doing, making him entirely reliant on Jack. If anything he was much MORE manipulateable than he was when Jack was in his body because with Jack in control of Helios, he was in control of what information Rhys had access to. The way he did it suited an Actual Crazy Person, which is what he is - even if him and Rhys are friends at that point, Jack doesn't really want friends, he wants whatever he happens to want, which at this moment is a body. He really doesn't seem like the type to have the patience to keep up the "You're the real successor and I'm here to help you" thing forever. One of the things about emotionally abusive and manipulative people is their ability to betray you with one hand and feel genuinely betrayed by you with the other. Jack somehow seems to really think that "merging" with Rhys was a great deal, but also shows some self-awareness that he created the situation in the ruins, but again that was just to garner some sympathy and get Rhys's guard down. I think playing him this way rather than giving him a more understandable reason to go crazy fits the character better.
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Borderlands exists in a grim, cynical, frankly horrible universe, and while he did some heinous poo poo it was that way before Jack was in power and it's going to remain that way now that he's dead. It's not a universe where kindness and optimism will ever be rewarded. The game gives you more than one instance where you can forgive and spare someone who doesn't deserve it. Way back in Episode 1, you have the option of executing Felix for his betrayal. You can spare Yvette last episode even though she's stabbed you in the back. And now in episode 5, you're literally holding the life of a helpless enemy in your hands. I don't think it's an unfitting choice -at all- that the game wants you to actually be the one to pull the trigger on Jack. It's given you the option to show mercy again and again. It'd be odd if it suddenly stopped now.
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sleepy.eyes posted:Well, with the endoskeleton there in the wreckage I have absolutely no clue who the Stranger is. Will this have a satisfactory explanation when they reveal it? I'm not going to say exactly when I figured it out, but I saw it coming before the actual unmasking and I was very satisfied by that point.
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We're running really low on characters now. Aside from the central four (Vaughn's alive, presumably, even if he's been missing for two episodes now), we're down to August, Cassius, Felix, and that one named bandit from the beginning. Plus a couple of cameos like Janey and Shade. Things can't get much worse - we're rapidly running out of characters to kill/imperil.
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Tempest_56 posted:We're running really low on characters now. Aside from the central four (Vaughn's alive, presumably, even if he's been missing for two episodes now), we're down to August, Cassius, Felix, and that one named bandit from the beginning. Plus a couple of cameos like Janey and Shade. Things can't get much worse - we're rapidly running out of characters to kill/imperil. Athena wasn't killed right? She could make a return.
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Oh poo poo, ohh poo poo, I just realized who the mysterious stranger is. It's that loving dude from Prosperity Junction, isn't it? The guy Vaughn and Ryse asked for directions? He got the suit from the wreckage of Helios.
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