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This comic is great and I'm betting there's some problem with getting the key that'll leave evil grandma vulnerable to the other aspirants to the throne.
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Mottom continues to be delightful and I continue to wonder how Alice is gonna get out of this room alive. Maybe there will be more shenanigans with everyone thinking the boyfriend is the real heir? But I can't see there being a compelling reason to keep her alive because of that.
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Apr 13, 2016 06:43
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Any fellow disciples have any recommendations for this ignorant aspirant on Swedish extreme technical death metal? I know Google is my friend, but I'm not sure which of these bands immediately jump out for me.  All of them.
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Apr 13, 2016 09:13
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Begemot posted:Mottom continues to be delightful and I continue to wonder how Alice is gonna get out of this room alive. Why not? The girl just said she came to give the Key to the Heir, so as long as the key remains in her pretty head and the pretty head remains away of the the boy, there is no danger.
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Apr 13, 2016 10:23
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There's also the possibility that Mottom thinks that the prophecy is inevitable and unstoppable, in which case the successor's girlfriend (as she thinks) is a pretty good bargaining chip or tool in securing herself a decent spot post-successor.
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Apr 13, 2016 10:52
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I think she's currently just reveling in the novelty of speaking to someone she doesn't want to immediately murder. The skinny girl is mouthing off to her! And she still has all her skin afterward! Delightful!
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Apr 13, 2016 10:53
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She might be afraid of the power of the Key. Yeah, Allison doesn't know how to do poo poo with it yet, but does Mottom know that for sure? More likely based on her comments though is that Mottom sees Allison as the best source for information to make plans with moving forward. I mean, the Key is right where she needs it to be, in theory; why rush anything? If nothing else, she can savor the moment.
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Apr 13, 2016 10:58
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Reene posted:More likely based on her comments though is that Mottom sees Allison as the best source for information to make plans with moving forward. sucks to be Mottom, in that case
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Apr 13, 2016 11:13
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MikeJF posted:There's also the possibility that Mottom thinks that the prophecy is inevitable and unstoppable, in which case the successor's girlfriend (as she thinks) is a pretty good bargaining chip or tool in securing herself a decent spot post-successor. Given her dialog at the demiurge meeting, it seems to me she not only thinks the prophecy is inevitable she's projecting that onto all the other demiurges and thinks any indication to the contrary is just denial. reignonyourparade fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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Apr 13, 2016 11:33
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Well they don't call them prophecies because they don't happen.
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The origin of prophecy is an ancient Greek word translating more or less literally as "foretelling". They're no more guaranteed to come about than any prediction (another word which literally means foretelling).  The idea that they are is based on the word having connotations of being based on divine knowledge, which depending on your setting/beliefs is still no indicator of accuracy.Important characters assuming otherwise is a great source of delicious dramatic irony though, so I'm not going to argue the point too hard.
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Apr 13, 2016 12:09
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Well, Jadis probably believes the prophecy, given that it's apparently hers. Mottom believes it too, though how she's going to react to this is still to be seen, and Gog-Agog seemed to put stock in it as well, though she's weird and fickle. Solomon David dismissed it, but, well, that's not surprising, given his... Everything. Jagganoth and Mammon we don't know much about on this front, while Incubus seemed to not only believe it, but be the one person who caught onto the actual subject of it, given his dream appearance. Or maybe he doesn't believe it; at least he's figured out that Allison's important, which seems to put him ahead of most of them.
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Apr 13, 2016 13:42
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Even Incubus thought Allison was going to end up giving the Key to Zaid, from what he said in the dream.
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Which is nuts. Why would you give something like that away? Why would you assume anyone else would?
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:This comic is great and I'm betting there's some problem with getting the key that'll leave evil grandma vulnerable to the other aspirants to the throne. just on the face of it it's the same cold war stalemate as before. Mottom taking the key is going to provoke an immediate joint attack from everyone else, and while it's a very powerful tool I don't think it instantly makes you Zoss the Unfuckwithable, and she clearly thinks the big man himself is still in the picture, so she wants to be drat sure she knows what's going on first. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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Apr 13, 2016 17:22
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Zoss the Unfuckwithable This is in fact his full title.
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I got the impression Mottom was less afraid of the prophecy and more the fact that Zoss could show back up and kill them at any moment he drat well pleased, and she's frustrated at the other six for being pathetic idiots who won't do anything to prevent that. The prophecy as far as Mottom is concerned is just Jadis's excuse to not lift a finger to stop their impending doom, same as Solomon David's smug response http://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/ksbd-4-74/
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:Which is nuts. Why would you give something like that away? Why would you assume anyone else would? Because Zoss actual did give it away, and odds are the person he gave it to isn't any more sane than he was (as the demiurges measure sanity).
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Renaissance Robot posted:The origin of prophecy is an ancient Greek word translating more or less literally as "foretelling". They're no more guaranteed to come about than any prediction (another word which literally means foretelling). can you think of a prophecy in any work of fiction within the last, let's say 50 years, that was inherently wrong? edit: prophecy as a literary device isn't the same thing as the word. Denzine fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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Apr 13, 2016 21:49
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Tetracube posted:I got the impression Mottom was less afraid of the prophecy and more the fact that Zoss could show back up and kill them at any moment he drat well pleased, and she's frustrated at the other six for being pathetic idiots who won't do anything to prevent that. The prophecy as far as Mottom is concerned is just Jadis's excuse to not lift a finger to stop their impending doom, same as Solomon David's smug response http://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/ksbd-4-74/ I don't even know if she's afraid of it, exactly. My view: she definitely disrespects the prophecy ("Pah!", she says), but it seems like she's basically killing time. Just enjoying her weird immortal life and waiting around for the judgment she knows is coming. She'll try to put it off if the opportunity comes up, but she's convinced that at some point she's going to go down, and she's drat well going to have fun in the meantime.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:just on the face of it it's the same cold war stalemate as before. Mottom taking the key is going to provoke an immediate joint attack from everyone else, and while it's a very powerful tool I don't think it instantly makes you Zoss the Unfuckwithable, and she clearly thinks the big man himself is still in the picture, so she wants to be drat sure she knows what's going on first. Yeah, this is what I wanted to say. I trust Abbadon to come up with interesting angles, but just from what we've seen so far it could be as simple as a tenuous power balance at work. The demiurges don't seem like they're held together by brotherly love, and I think that taking the key now would at best force Mottom to give up sole advantage to avoid being destroyed by the other six; at worst it would trigger a bloody struggle for final supremacy. Mottom is thinking of more subtle ways she can use this key-holder as her tool, and perhaps take it for herself only later, after the situation has been altered in her favor. As for Mottom possibly being afraid of the power of the key, I don't really get that impression. It's mentioned that the keys are also weapons, but these guys had to be stupendous badasses in the first place to do all they did before making the keys. I mean, Zoss breached Throne and soloed like 50 gundams (to borrow my new favorite description of his fight with the Prime Angels) before anyone settled down to making keys. We've seen Allison use the key for travel by blind intuition, and maybe she could reflexively nope out to the void if Mottom tried to kill her, but could she take Mottom in a fight? Personally, I doubt it. At this point she's only just beginning to develop the mentality she'd need, much less the skill.
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Apr 13, 2016 22:36
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there were a couple generatioms of demiurge society in throne before the universal war. none of the surviving seven demiurges were from the old guard
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Tollymain posted:there were a couple generatioms of demiurge society in throne before the universal war. none of the surviving seven demiurges were from the old guard I didn't think of that, but it just reinforces my notions from a different angle- it means they were badass enough to kill the old-guard demiurges in a war where everyone had keys. 
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Cathair posted:Yeah, which means they were badass enough to kill the old-guard demiurges in a war where everyone had keys. well, yeah, they're mighty as gently caress they just weren't the pioneers who breached firmaments/agreed upon the forging of new angel bodies and angel law/devised the masking and binding of demons/etc
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Tollymain posted:well, yeah, they're mighty as gently caress Ah, ok, I see. I thought you were making an argument re: the threat Allison poses just from having the King's key, but you were just correcting that innaccuracy in my post.
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Tollymain posted:well, yeah, they're mighty as gently caress and I think some of the outside-the-comic stuff implies they weren't necessarily particularly capable as demiurges went, just the ones who happened to be left standing when the dust settled on the chaos. probably a fair bit of the tall poppies getting cut during that Still impossibly beyond anyone else still kicking but some like Mottom might have reason to be insecure on their throne, what keeps her there at this point might really just be her key
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Apr 13, 2016 23:30
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i like to think of it less than "correcting" and more of a "hey i wanna share cool info i learned"
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So hold up, has Mottom cottoned on to the fact that Allison is the heir, not Zaid? She does say an heir, after all.
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A big flaming stink posted:So hold up, has Mottom cottoned on to the fact that Allison is the heir, not Zaid? She does say an heir, after all. It's hard to tell. We'll probably know with the next comic, though.
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Cathair posted:I didn't think of that, but it just reinforces my notions from a different angle- it means they were badass enough to kill the old-guard demiurges in a war where everyone had keys. Perhaps. Or the badarse old-guard mostly killed each other. Or by the end, the seven were the only actual alliance left, and could easily take on individual demiurges no matter how badarse. I also suspect that Jadis's abilities may have counted for more than we think.
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Allison is going to survive this by finding out that Mottom is really a glutton for friendship!  Cue training montage.
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MikeJF posted:I also suspect that Jadis's abilities may have counted for more than we think. I don't think she would be a member of that council if all she did was make vague portents that didn't illuminate much.
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Mr. Lobe posted:I don't think she would be a member of that council if all she did was make vague portents that didn't illuminate much. She used to be considerably more badass, according to the Tumblr. Or at least, that's what I'm assuming from this, though it could have just been stabbing him in the back or something I guess. quote:Anonymous asked: Related: quote:Excluding Incubus, who's answer is obvious, did any of the other Seven have lovers or significant others?
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I mean Jadis has successfully looked at the shape of the Universe and survived the experience. Whether that was due to the carbonite freezing or resulted in it is still unknown, but knowledge is power and she undoubtedly has hella knowledge.
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solomon david's family's descendants make up the backbone of the government ruling his worlds i'm gonna guess
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Archenteron posted:I mean Jadis has successfully looked at the shape of the Universe and survived the experience. Whether that was due to the carbonite freezing or resulted in it is still unknown, but knowledge is power and she undoubtedly has hella knowledge. Mmmm, but I wonder if the victory of the seven-part pact entirely required her foreknowledge. Maybe that she lacked the physical power to win herself even with her vision, but the other six wouldn't have remotely come close to winning without it. I mean, I'm sure the victory of the pact required each of their skills, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was the real key. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Apr 14, 2016 |
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Apr 14, 2016 09:05
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solomon's seventy-seven sons serve sufficiently, save Sarapis, servant of a Servant.
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Mottom's late husband is named Hastet-Om, according to some post somewhere. Some people speculated that Incubus no longer has a physical body and can only perv on people in dreams now, but that bit about him having no past makes me wonder if he ever did have a real body.
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MikeJF posted:Mmmm, but I wonder if the victory of the seven-part pact entirely required her foreknowledge. Maybe that she lacked the physical power to win herself even with her vision, but the other six wouldn't have remotely come close to winning without it. have you SEEN jagganoth
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