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Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo
Refund me, will you Chris? Well we'll see about that :smuggo:

e: first GIS hit for whale tears

Tijuana Bibliophile fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Apr 13, 2016

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Chickenfrogman
Sep 16, 2011

by exmarx
B'Tak finished Mother 3 and couldn't understand why he couldn't climb into the Absolute Safety capsule as it would be the perfect life.

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Well I think after this thing pops we will get about a month of interesting fallout and introspection from the whales. The real problem is nothing will ever be able to hold a candle to this poo poo. The level of comedy in my life at the expense of others will drop to almost 0.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Lladre posted:

Isn't that the guy who lives in the middle of nowhere Alaska and was a runner up in the next greatest star ship fiasco?

Yes, it's that Fuzzy Modem.

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008

Wedge Regret

D_Smart posted:

It's true. All of it.

Note, we've been having the same discussion for LOD. And without a server-authoritative model, we're definitely going to have to license a third-party anti-cheat solution because there's no way we're going to write that poo poo.

And that's why I decided not to make a twitch MMO, but rather a traditional version.

grimcreaper
Jan 7, 2012


Holy poo poo wtf. Is that a comic about that one movie with those 2 guys who do the thing?

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



Daztek posted:

http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/

Derek typed more words

quote:

*16-04-13 update1: This has now been confirmed to me by sources.

Also, in consultations with my attorneys, I can now add the commentary previously not included when this blog first went live.

I can now reveal that on a date certain in May, my attorneys and I will – again – walk into a Federal building.

Further to my comments above regarding how to follow and account for backer money, one thing that sticks out in all the research material I have, is the allegation that when Simon Elms (see the aforementioned Gizmondo debacle) was called back to join the fold, he, Derek Senior, and Erin Roberts (brother of Chris Roberts) – all execs in the UK – were allegedly “bought out” by CIG for an undisclosed sum. While I see no evidence of this in the short-form financial filings (as they are public) of the UK companies, if this did in fact take place as alleged, then it was probably done on the US or German CIG side of those companies (see why we started tracking all these companies?) where the details are not accessible by the public, as they would be in the UK. Why is this relevant? If true, and even if found to be legal, it would still be a blatant violation of trust as per the transfer of liquid cash assets, the bulk (again, assuming that the $112M does not include other non crowd-funded investment) of which was raised with the sole purpose of creating this crowd-funded project.

Despite the fact that we do not know how much private investment is in the project, the fact remains that they should disclose this to backers, as Chris was quick to proclaim that he didn’t need investors or publishers if he could raise the money from crowd-funding. And these are some of the things that should raise Red flags pertaining to their refusal to provide complete financials to backers, as was promised in the ToS they themselves constructed. They obviously put that in there in order to gain the trust and confidence of backers, and to show a level of accountability. Then, like everything else, after getting all this money, and still failing to deliver a product, and by the deadline promised, they reneged. Pretty much how he wrote this pledge during crowd-funding, and has thus far, has failed to uphold it.

In a meeting with the interested parties, we will provide them with an entire dossier of research material, as well as statements (some sent anonymously) by third-party sources (some who agreed to be named to the authorities) who are concerned about being accused of being complicit in what is really going on with the project, and not currently known to backers. I made the decision not to turn any of this over to gaming media because most of them cannot be trusted. And those who can be trusted, without sources on the record, probably won’t touch this with the longest barge pole until it finally collapses. Aside from the fact that they (e.g. the major UK media organisation currently doing their own investigation that I have recently become aware of) stand no chance of ever getting any of these sources to go on the record, outside of a subpoena or hearing, due to reprisals by the gaming industry proper, as well as the Shitizens who have made the attacking of dissenters, a social media sport.

As my attorneys have already indicated, we would have no problems reviewing the project financials in private and under NDA, with the sole purpose of finding out how the money has been spent, and whether or not they have reserves (as Chris has indicated several times) to complete the projects as promised. Or we can agree on a neutral third-party forensics accounting firm, for which I will bear the expense as I had offered last year. And if we are satisfied with the findings, I will issue a statement to that effect. At which point, regardless of the findings (which I won’t be able to disclose anyway), my role in this would be at an end.

To be clear, their inability to complete and deliver the project as promised, is simply a matter of failure due to ambition. I have no doubt that Chris believed that this game could be developed as he envisioned. But to date, with all the feature cuts, technical challenges, broken promises, almost eighteen month delay etc, he has been proven to be wrong. And that’s not likely to change. So for all intent and purposes, that will all be irrelevant if the money was simply wasted, albeit with no evidence of malfeasance or fraud; neither of which I am in any position to accuse them of. That’s up to the authorities and the legal system to determine.

And as I have stated before, Chris being a dreamer, I don’t believe that he set out to scam gamers. However, the only right thing that he can do now is to come clean, explain to the backers what he can and cannot do, what went wrong and how, provide the financials to the backers who are entitled to it, and stop taking money for a project he knows all too well that he simply cannot deliver as originally promised.

At the end of the day, when it all comes out, fact, opinion, hyperbole, or whatever, one thing is certain, my blogs will still be here, cataloging what has gone on with the project, and why, as an industry and as gamers, we simply cannot let this happen again.

That said, if current events don’t make them bring a frivolous lawsuit in order to tie me up in court, silence me etc, nothing will. They can bring it. My liability insurance is in need of a workout. I remain convinced that what I’m doing is legal, right, and just; and my opinions are my own. Unless and until they provide backers with the complete financials for this project as promised, and coupled with a concrete date for the delivery of Star Citizen and Squadron 42 projects, I will continue to seek accountability.

DISCLOSURE: Under the legal right to own, buy and sell digital assets, I currently have a combined total of $1,853 in the project. Thanks to all of you who helped make that happen. We will get answers; this I promise.

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Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Chickenfrogman posted:

B'Tak finished Mother 3 and couldn't understand why he couldn't climb into the Absolute Safety capsule as it would be the perfect life.

Hey he made me think about that one as well!

B'tak sure is a thing

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

grimcreaper posted:

Holy poo poo wtf. Is that a comic about that one movie with those 2 guys who do the thing?

Nah it's Preacher

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

:stonk:

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo
lol

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Same. He's an rear end but I still hope he gets healthy. At the very least for his wife's sake.

Meanwhile I have lost 15 pounds since March and continue to work at it.

How ARE those low fat squigs then?

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

TTerrible posted:

Yup, true. The question is if the FCA visit happened or not, not if a visit from the FCA is serious. People keep downplaying it.

I would bet on it being true though.

It's true. I got confirmation and have updated the ELE section of the blog with an entire section that I had removed yesterday.

revmoo
May 25, 2006

#basta
Hahah so Derek went out on the gray market and bought some ships so he'd have a legal stake. Hilarious.

Shala
Oct 15, 2006

i shot the pilot

Lipstick Apathy
Take a poll on preferred multi crew positions. Make sure to ask people how much they spent. Wouldn't want any...undesirables in a captain seat...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YDmt4E6eFmspWqN2g1QRxf9SFVjv_G_PdtopPPfo9HQ/viewform

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Jst0rm posted:

Well I think after this thing pops we will get about a month of interesting fallout and introspection from the whales. The real problem is nothing will ever be able to hold a candle to this poo poo. The level of comedy in my life at the expense of others will drop to almost 0.

You could always read the mmo hmo or d&d

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Shala posted:

Take a poll on preferred multi crew positions. Make sure to ask people how much they spent. Wouldn't want any...undesirables in a captain seat...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YDmt4E6eFmspWqN2g1QRxf9SFVjv_G_PdtopPPfo9HQ/viewform

anyone entering anything other than captain/captain/captain is lying

JainDoh
Nov 5, 2002

Jst0rm posted:

Well I think after this thing pops we will get about a month of interesting fallout and introspection from the whales. The real problem is nothing will ever be able to hold a candle to this poo poo. The level of comedy in my life at the expense of others will drop to almost 0.

is there still an e/n forum

that poo poo read like craigslist missed connections

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

anyone entering anything other than captain/captain/captain is lying

Are you saying my response to "Hospitality Service" was a lie?

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Wafflz posted:

You could always read the mmo hmo or d&d

You mean we should start SC threads there?

Me, I'm looking forward to the post-crash whale meltdowns in E/N

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3

Shala posted:

Take a poll on preferred multi crew positions. Make sure to ask people how much they spent. Wouldn't want any...undesirables in a captain seat...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YDmt4E6eFmspWqN2g1QRxf9SFVjv_G_PdtopPPfo9HQ/viewform

Captains all the way.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

anyone entering anything other than captain/captain/captain is lying

I only aspire to make hairy roberts and change space vhs tapes in the verse.

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

SomethingJones posted:

Stimperor all the way.

FTFY

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

Huh. Derek's blog edit is sane, well argued, reasonably concise, and well written.

Who wrote it?

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Colostomy Bag posted:

Are you saying my response to "Hospitality Service" was a lie?

"No, you came from a hospitality background, at best you could get a job at McDonalds"

Also Sandi's listed her weight at 100 lbs, which if true gives her a BMI of 16.1

Stop stealing Sandi's food Ben, you're not doing either of you a favor

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
I want to be a space escort for fat whales.

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006


Lipstick Apathy

Thirsty Dog posted:

Huh. Derek's blog edit is sane, well argued, reasonably concise, and well written.

Who wrote it?

Originally every single word was a hyperlink, but Legal pasted it in to Notepad, copied it back out, and said "Here you go".

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Oleyo posted:

This might be my new favorite word.

befadora'd
verb

(of a group) To be festooned with a statistically unlikely number of or fedoras, usually in an inappropriate setting.

This is the part that really sells it. Good job. :golfclap:

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Shala posted:

Take a poll on preferred multi crew positions. Make sure to ask people how much they spent. Wouldn't want any...undesirables in a captain seat...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YDmt4E6eFmspWqN2g1QRxf9SFVjv_G_PdtopPPfo9HQ/viewform

lol these guys.

Here are some upcoming surveys you can look forward to.

quote:

Suggestions for additional surveys:

Role Prefference.
You ought to make the roles question multiple choice.
Spaceship vs Spacestation activity
Perhaps have a top 3 positions for multicrew
Preferences for firearm ballistics, personal protection (body armor) and medical system realism
Survey asking for opinions on awareness (where is fire coming from, how can taking damage be communicated to players, how is this done at the moment and what are the best ways to do this in the future?)
satan
Admiral/Commander (Looking at the whole battle and directing carriers, troops, wings etc.)
The ships? Type of missions? etc
Ask if the person taking the survey wants to primarily be on a multi-crew ship or in a single-person ship
I'd like to run a multi-crew ship of npcs. I don't want to fly with strangers and my friends don't play SC.
I love you. And pie :)
Add Boarding Party to jobs.
Should add hiring crewmen to the social module of the game so you can get into instant action crewing another ship if you like
Ask what style of multicrew ship. There's a heavy bomber, drop ship, tanker, hauler, etc. That is just as important to include as role
Own the multi-crew ship, or work on another's?
Sextet cosplay
I think the questions here were poorly phrased. I suggest: Listen to Paul Fry's lectures on introduction to litterature on youtube, and *perchance* improve your ability to create meaningful questions, or ask for help the next time. I'd argue that I can't really realistically have any preferences for a secondary or a tertiary roles when I don't know what the gameplay will actually be like. There would be no way for me to compare the three this way.
Roles should include: EWAR, Security (anti-boarding, general security, etc.), Weapons systems (not just gunners), cargo foreman (organization, manifests, etc.)
On your ship or someone else's?
Might want to break up the "how much you spent" section. One big ship puts people over your highest line really fast. I don't know if that an issue or not, maybe a bunch of people have spent less than I thought.
Perhaps incorporate roles for policing and piracy, perhaps roles concerning specialities (making drinks on the Jump, mining ores on the orion, determining alloys and stripping/repairing on the crucible or salvaging on the reclaimer).
Add prefered role in the verse like: mining, fighting, data gathering w etc :D
Allow multi select for crew positions instead of by order of interest, with a seperate question for top choice. Its too hard to narrow down what id like to do to 3 positions. Idk if thats possible though with this interface :p
Make 'none' an option for second/tertiary
More cowbell
Praise Chris Roberts
Space Bagel Flavours
moar tits
Ask for novel challenges or ideas for player generated content? Like "get this vending machine from X to platform Y.
PvP slider setting, vocations, regulated vs frontier space
How many people are focused on fps game play?
I plan to lone wolf it most of the time, but I'm happy to do the occasional crewing.
Survey for the next best survey ideas.
Is TEST Squadron the Best Squardon?
A survey to gauge community interest of combat vs. non-combat spaceships
survey about geographical location (planet, star system, etc) or where citizens will spend most of their time (vega system, Severus in the Kiel system, unexplored space, etc.
Multi-crew role should have a unsure possible. but that could fit in other.
Ask which multi-crew ships (if any) the player owns.
not buying game until finished
Additional Role Suggestion: Operations Manager (Commanding/Organizing multiple ships)
What will your space outfit look like? Mine: Fabulous.
Survey cataloging the types of PVP encounters players would enjoy
Crew size preference
Allow us to choose more than one roke if you decide to do the survey, and also change the age notes as some of the ages do not only correspond to one note IE 18 being only secondary school when it can apply to undergraduates aswell
Holotable design improvements
This survey gave me space aids.
An option for people who own a multi-person ship and are looking for crew might be useful, but I wouldn't know where to tell you to place it in your questionnaire.
combat vs non combat role interests
You are awesome.. Free 3d printing for my delta throttle
Tapir please
meh
What is your endgame ship? Not what ship you pledged to own, but what you intend to acquire later. Also, what roles in a fleet or Org would you like to have? IE boarding party, piracy, security, trading, finance, mechanic, etc.
Whether clans or even a Lone Wolf, would hire Freelancers or Mercenaries.
What types of in game careers are you interested in?
For this survey- Class of ship: medium, large, capital. Crew size: 3, 4, 5, 6, Prefered escort: (list of escort ships)
Give me free UEC
Price spent on ships should have been a more useful range, or even been "how many ships have you bought" - Lots of people own at least 2 ships, which will push everyone into the last category.
What part of the game ( Dogfight - Exploration - First person incrusions, etc ...) do you plan the spend the most time on ?
Roles be ranked, from 1-5 or something like thouse strongly would, strongly wouldnt scale.
What role would we NOT want to fill.
Do you own a multi crew ship?
Ideal Role for your Multicrew Ship?
Preferred style of play; Game time commitment
More questions, it was super fast which is nice but you have room for like 5-10 more and still be a "fast" survey. :D
You should add an option of all of the above or something similar. I mainly want to try out everything and see what I enjoy. They could all be fun for all I know.
How do I get a refund on this scam?
Captain
When will the game be finished?

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Ragequit posted:

Originally every single word was a hyperlink, but Legal pasted it in to Notepad, copied it back out, and said "Here you go".

Derek doesn't link, he quotes

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

MeLKoR posted:

I want to be a space escort for fat whales.

Like a bodyguard escort or an escort escort?

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

Thirsty Dog posted:

Huh. Derek's blog edit is sane, well argued, reasonably concise, and well written.

Who wrote it?

Not legal :D :D :D

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



Does Octopode still jump in once every 10 pages to correct some tiny detail about something someone said so he can feel like everything is okay?

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Wafflz posted:

Like a bodyguard escort or an escort escort?

Whatever yields the most sperm oil.

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

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[/quote]

What a complete crock of steaming bullshit.

quote:

I can now reveal that on a date certain in May, my attorneys and I will – again – walk into a Federal building.

Further to my comments above regarding how to follow and account for backer money, one thing that sticks out in all the research material I have, is the allegation that when Simon Elms (see the aforementioned Gizmondo debacle) was called back to join the fold, he, Derek Senior, and Erin Roberts (brother of Chris Roberts) – all execs in the UK – were allegedly “bought out” by CIG for an undisclosed sum. While I see no evidence of this in the short-form financial filings (as they are public) of the UK companies, if this did in fact take place as alleged, then it was probably done on the US or German CIG side of those companies (see why we started tracking all these companies?) where the details are not accessible by the public, as they would be in the UK. Why is this relevant? If true, and even if found to be legal, it would still be a blatant violation of trust as per the transfer of liquid cash assets, the bulk (again, assuming that the $112M does not include other non crowd-funded investment) of which was raised with the sole purpose of creating this crowd-funded project.

Walk into a federal building .... (at this point, and with his track record, that could be anything, such as the courthouse he went to fight his moving violation from December). Moreover, any 'details' from the US-side as to company filings are not public privilege, no matter how many crowd-funding terms Derek wants to toss around.

quote:

Despite the fact that we do not know how much private investment is in the project, the fact remains that they should disclose this to backers, as Chris was quick to proclaim that he didn’t need investors or publishers if he could raise the money from crowd-funding. And these are some of the things that should raise Red flags pertaining to their refusal to provide complete financials to backers, as was promised in the ToS they themselves constructed. They obviously put that in there in order to gain the trust and confidence of backers, and to show a level of accountability. Then, like everything else, after getting all this money, and still failing to deliver a product, and by the deadline promised, they reneged. Pretty much how he wrote this pledge during crowd-funding, and has thus far, has failed to uphold.

A private company has no obligation to reveal ANY financial to the public. And, about their ToS: google shrink-wrap agreements Derek. If you created and maintain an account with CiG, you abide by the ToS. If you continue to play the game, you abide by the ToS. These terms are not significantly different than any other service providers' terms (such as cell phone carriers or cable providers). Moreover, there is currently no legal repercussion to companies looking to modify their ToS, since that in and of itself is a term one agrees to --- in the ToS.

quote:

That said, if current events don’t make them bring a frivolous lawsuit in order to tie me up in court, silence me etc, nothing will. They can bring it. My liability insurance is in need of a workout. I remain convinced that what I’m doing is legal, right, and just; and my opinions are my own. Unless and until they provide backers with the complete financials for this project as promised, and coupled with a concrete date for the delivery of Star Citizen and Squadron 42 projects, I will continue to seek accountability.

DISCLOSURE: Under the legal right to own, buy and sell digital assets, I currently have a combined total of $1,853 in the project. Thanks to all of you who helped make that happen. We will get answers; this I promise.

You are entitled to have opinions - about anything, and at any time. In fact - you are Constitutional empowered to do so. CiG won't bring suit against you, no matter how hard you try to egg them on (until, of course, the project is finished, which could present a real issue with defamation, harassment and intent to disrupt the flow of daily business). Oh, and about your legal right: per the terms of service that you agreed to when you originally pledged, CiG had the right to refund you at their discretion (section 20 of the ToS) for violation of their ToS, which in their view, you performed in your verbal diatribe up to, and including your July blogs. And also per their Terms, any method you use to obtain an account to circumvent your ban that is not a truthful representation of who you are to CiG is, again, in violation of their Terms. Moreover - a dispute in the breach of these terms is subject to binding arbitration.

It's a valiant effort Derek - it truly is. You preach that you want accountability when some say you're just looking for a quick and easy payday. Whatever version of that is true, you should - as a grown adult - just let it be. You are SO enamored with the fact that over 500k individuals are giving money to a venture that, in your eyes, is a fraudulent enterprise. So, why not let those people learn the hard way? You would be much more wise and taken much more seriously if you just chronicle this adventure and comment on it if it all comes crashing down instead of making yourself batshit insane in the meantime.

ManofManyAliases fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Apr 13, 2016

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat

grimcreaper posted:

Holy poo poo wtf. Is that a comic about that one movie with those 2 guys who do the thing?

Brokeback mountain?

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Stealth Like posted:

Does Octopode still jump in once every 10 pages to correct some tiny detail about something someone said so he can feel like everything is okay?
Octopode can't jump any more.

But we have a MOMA.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Oh good, MoMA's back.

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Wafflz posted:

I only aspire to make hairy roberts and change space vhs tapes in the verse.

Ditto. I want to create a cocktail called the Juicy Lesnick. Not finalised yet, but it'll include Red Bull and liquidised cheesesteaks.

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runsamok
Jan 12, 2011

Beet Wagon posted:

Oh good, MoMA's back.

I was hoping he'd hung himself with his hole-less belt...

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