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Metapod posted:Random thought that came into my head: if a player were to have his helmet knocked off then somehow the ball end up in the helmet would the ball be dead? IANAREoA (I am not a rules expert or American) but I thought a play ended as soon as any helmet came off
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Iron_Chef posted:IANAREoA (I am not a rules expert or American) but I thought a play ended as soon as any helmet came off Nope. In college it is a penalty to keep playing if your helmet is removed. Also, if your helmet comes off you have to sit out at least one play, unless a penalty is called (like if a guy gets facemasked).
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Mar 24, 2016 07:46
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Iron_Chef posted:IANAREoA (I am not a rules expert or American) but I thought a play ended as soon as any helmet came off My understanding is that it ends for that player, but not the play in general. Like the other 21 players continue to do their thing but the one guy without a helmet can't participate. To answer the original question(I'm no longer a ref so I'm probably wrong) I would hope the ref would blow if dead and give the team with the ball option of replaying the down or taking the ball where it was blown dead. Basically it's such a crazy out there bullshit what if situation that I feel like the refs are justified in saying "gently caress this poo poo weren't gonna pretend it never happened". drunk leprechaun fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Mar 24, 2016 |
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Mar 24, 2016 07:49
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Also one of my all time favorite plays was Earl Everett's helmetless sack of Troy Smith in the 2006 NCG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1Rc49B1FwU I have that entire game burned in my mind and its my "happy place".
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Mar 24, 2016 07:59
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Metapod posted:Random thought that came into my head: if a player were to have his helmet knocked off then somehow the ball end up in the helmet would the ball be dead? The player might be.
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Mar 24, 2016 08:16
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There is no rule to cover the situation. I would strongly consider killing it and doing whatever seemed fair in the circumstances.
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Mar 24, 2016 12:12
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If a receivers helmet falls off and the quarterback can throw the ball into the helmet without it touching the ground you trigger the multiball bonus mode
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Mar 24, 2016 13:32
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Metapod posted:Random thought that came into my head: if a player were to have his helmet knocked off then somehow the ball end up in the helmet would the ball be dead? Doesn't losing a helmet call the play dead anyways?
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Mar 24, 2016 14:55
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The ball is dead if the ball-carrier's helmet comes off, but not if any other player's helmet comes off.
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Mar 24, 2016 15:27
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Trin Tragula posted:There is no rule to cover the situation. I would strongly consider killing it and doing whatever seemed fair in the circumstances. Interesting
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Mar 24, 2016 16:24
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Trin Tragula posted:The ball is dead if the ball-carrier's helmet comes off, but not if any other player's helmet comes off. Yeah, cf. JJ Watt sacking people without his helmet on like a PCP smoking maniac
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So this is my first off-season since I started following the Giants/NFL and Jesus god I thought the NBA off-season was long. I must have read 20 different mock drafts, none of which seem to have the same player twice. It's to the point I wish the loving draft would just happen already and even then we've got another 3 months of waiting. A few questions: 1. Is there anything to look forward to in the gap between draft and pre-season? 2. Could anyone with some knowledge of the Giants tell me how they don't take a wide receiver at no.10? As it stands they have a receivers corp of Beckham and...I literally couldn't tell you another receiver but I doubt they played many meaningful snaps last season. I'm always somewhat dumbfounded that we get mocked tackles or even an RB in some mock drafts when we cannot feasibly need those players more than we would need a receiver now? If I'm being naive here I'd like to know cause I just don't get the logic. 3. Is this a particularly strong or weak draft as drafts go? 4. In terms of drafts should I give too much of a gently caress once they get past the 4th round? I mean I'm yet to see a mock draft that goes past the 4th which I'm taking as a sign nobody really cares. 5. It seems a pretty tough thing to watch also. The NBA draft is done in a night (well the meaningful part in a few hours) but the NFL draft goes on for three days? Do you guys watch the whole thing or just watch who your team selects?
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Apr 6, 2016 22:16
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El Seano posted:So this is my first off-season since I started following the Giants/NFL and Jesus god I thought the NBA off-season was long. I must have read 20 different mock drafts, none of which seem to have the same player twice. It's to the point I wish the loving draft would just happen already and even then we've got another 3 months of waiting. A few questions: quote:4. In terms of drafts should I give too much of a gently caress once they get past the 4th round? I mean I'm yet to see a mock draft that goes past the 4th which I'm taking as a sign nobody really cares. quote:5. It seems a pretty tough thing to watch also. The NBA draft is done in a night (well the meaningful part in a few hours) but the NFL draft goes on for three days? Do you guys watch the whole thing or just watch who your team selects? It used to be the first three rounds on Saturday and last four on Sunday, but the league got greedy.
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Apr 6, 2016 22:31
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El Seano posted:1. Is there anything to look forward to in the gap between draft and pre-season? All the good players on your team getting injured in practice quote:2. Could anyone with some knowledge of the Giants tell me how they don't take a wide receiver at no.10? Having one god-tier receiver is already way better than most teams. It'd be a bit of a surprise to invest another first round pick on the position, but quite likely they'll pick up at least one receiver in later rounds. quote:3. Is this a particularly strong or weak draft as drafts go? There aren't any consensus slam dunk amazing players afaik (admittedly I've not paid that much attention to the scouting/press) but it's not "bad" quote:4. In terms of drafts should I give too much of a gently caress once they get past the 4th round? I mean I'm yet to see a mock draft that goes past the 4th which I'm taking as a sign nobody really cares. Not really, although good players can crop up anywhere. Outside of my teams players I give basically no fucks though. quote:5. It seems a pretty tough thing to watch also. The NBA draft is done in a night (well the meaningful part in a few hours) but the NFL draft goes on for three days? Do you guys watch the whole thing or just watch who your team selects? I'll probably have the first round on in the background to follow what happens, but yeah it's boring as heck and the pundits are insufferable. In recent years, I check selections by waiting for the team to tweet about them after the pick is made.
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Apr 6, 2016 22:33
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El Seano posted:So this is my first off-season since I started following the Giants/NFL and Jesus god I thought the NBA off-season was long. I must have read 20 different mock drafts, none of which seem to have the same player twice. It's to the point I wish the loving draft would just happen already and even then we've got another 3 months of waiting. A few questions: 1. No. Enjoy the NBA and NHL playoffs and then subject yourself to baseball. 2. The Giants offense was not the problem last year. 3. Strong for defensive linemen 4. Anything past the 5th round is usually camp fodder, but every team has a few (maybe more) late round picks or UDFAs that become awesome. 5. The draft owns. Watch all of it.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:27
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The Giants, for the most part, take the Best Player Available. Though last year they seemed to draft for need. BPA gets criticized a lot. You'll hear stuff like, "They didn't address their [whatever weak position group]." But it is the right way to build a team, provided that you correctly identify the BPA. Anyhoozle, BPA makes it harder to predict what a team will do, since it's dependent on what everyone else has already done.
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El Seano posted:1. Is there anything to look forward to in the gap between draft and pre-season? How much do you like football? How much do you like really bad football? In Europe we play really bad football through the summer. Some of it will be on TV in Europe, some of it will be officially livestreamed. There's also the CFL, which starts in June because Canadian weather, which is hilarious and wonderful in the original sense of the word. edit: American Football International often has news about upcoming livestreams. Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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Apr 7, 2016 12:32
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Trin Tragula posted:How much do you like football? How much do you like really bad football? In Europe we play really bad football through the summer. Some of it will be on TV in Europe, some of it will be officially livestreamed. There's also the CFL, which starts in June because Canadian weather, which is hilarious and wonderful in the original sense of the word. This way lies madness. I'm convinced any British team could be blown out by a Division 1 high school team.
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Funny you should mention that, but we do have some data points here. Back in 2007 the Colchester Gladiators played a team of about 18 high school mates who'd just graduated and were touring Europe over the summer, and lost about 28-7. Centre College Kentucky also used to send a team over to play the GB national team once every few years (mostly for the extra kitted practices the NCAA would grant them): the last time they did it was 2010, and they only won 10-9 on a blown coverage, a holding flag, and a botched extra point (the Holy Trinity of Britball).
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Apr 7, 2016 13:46
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EvilElmo posted:Who should I go for? In the AFL (Australian sport) I go for Collingwood Magpies. A previously working class (now rich) area that everyone loves to hate, long history in the compeition and won a fair amount of premiership's. Is there an equivalent team? Way back, but does any NFL team have the reputation as having the most racist fans? The Raiders are similar to Collingwood in that their fans have a reputation for being criminals, but the key difference is that Raiders fans have a reputation for being minorities whereas Collingwood fans have a reputation for calling minorities apes.
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Volkerball posted:Way back, but does any NFL team have the reputation as having the most racist fans? The Raiders are similar to Collingwood in that their fans have a reputation for being criminals, but the key difference is that Raiders fans have a reputation for being minorities whereas Collingwood fans have a reputation for calling minorities apes. The obvious answer is Washington, because as far as I know, no other NFL teams use a slur as their team name.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:The obvious answer is Washington, because as far as I know, no other NFL teams use a slur as their team name. Ah yes, that would fit.
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Also Pittsburgh, Philly, Green Bay. Really most of America is racist so it's easy to find terrible people in every fanbase
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And yet racism at American sports events is far less prevalent. You could say it...pales in comparison??
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Henchman of Santa posted:Also Pittsburgh, Philly, Green Bay. Really most of America is racist so it's easy to find terrible people in every fanbase You don't know Collingwood. After an Aboriginal player complained to the media that a Collingwood player called him a black bastard after a tackle, Collingwood came out to this banner. The pacifier is in the color of the Aboriginal players team.  it's a proud tradition  this however, is very raiders 
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The best way to follow the draft is don't watch a single second of it unless your team is a Top 5 pick, because all the coverage is insufferable. Get the results at the end of the weekend and then read draft coverage from smart, reputable sources, by which I mean not any network.
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Badfinger posted:The best way to follow the draft is don't watch a single second of it unless your team is a Top 5 pick, because all the coverage is insufferable. Get the results at the end of the weekend and then read draft coverage from smart, reputable sources, by which I mean not any network. This is wisdom. Ignore anything and everything related to sports that isn't actual games. Talking heads of any kind will rot your brain and make you enjoy sports less.
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Just listen to Lebatard who describes the draft as "hope trafficking" and reserve any judgements for 3 years when you actually know what you have.
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Apr 7, 2016 15:13
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Adjunct to that, if you only really care about the picks for one team or a couple, every team has an amazing blog and sometimes beat writer community that will cover every aspect you could possibly ask for. You'll often get team-focused writers that will keep track of that division's moves as well so you get an informed sense of how your closest rivals impact the team as well. I'd rather scrape through a dozen teamname.blogspot.com websites to find meaningful stuff than go to ESPN or even local affiliates for any sort of analysis.
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I like to watch nfl network draft coverage bc mayock and d.jerimiah are cool and good Avoid ESPN though it's an abortion
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1. So the Giants having ODB is literally as good as most teams receiver corps? I just feel like surely if we don't draft another reputable receiver they can just double ODB on every play and he'll sink like gently caress in his third year? I get that he's supposed to be great but I literally have no frame of reference and plus if any team puts two on him and the other receiver can't catch a ball then the offence will just crash, right? It may say something here that I really thought the Giants cure for no.2 receiver was Sanu and was actually pretty bummed when he signed elsewhere. 2. Let's talk reputable sources. As it stands I read a lot of Big Blue View which is their SBNation blog and the rest I glean from SBNation's newsletter and NFL Yahoo! I used to rely on WalterFootball but the more I read of it the more I think they're just writing whatever gets hits, however in depth it may be. 3. Following the NBA for ten years has taught me never trust ESPN unless you really like LeBron. 4. Unrelated but I wanted to ask, do they have home and away stands for fans like they do here for "soccer" in football? I always see shots of the stands with some dude in a Giants jersey celebrating in a crowd of opposing fans. If you tried that here you'd get punched at least and I mean at very least. If I can only get a ticket in the away stand I'm not wearing team colors and I'm being quiet as gently caress. 5. BPA vs Need. As I see it as a novice, Need outweighs BPA everytime unless you're picking top 5. I mean people keep saying that Ramsey is supposed to be the second coming of whoever but if you're loaded at that position why take him? I mean if the Giants were picking 2nd I'd say you take Myles Jack rather than Ramsey. But then apparently another argument is thats two picks too high for Myles Jack. This poo poo is confusing. El Seano fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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El Seano posted:4. Unrelated but I wanted to ask, do they have home and away stands for fans like they do here for "soccer" in football? I always see shots of the stands with some dude in a Giants jersey celebrating in a crowd of opposing fans. If you tried that here you'd get punched at least and I mean at very least. If I can only get a ticket in the away stand I'm not wearing team colors and I'm being quiet as gently caress. Yes and no. Generally fans of the away team will want seats behind the away teams sideline, and fans of the home team will want seats behind the home teams sideline. Just so you can see the players on the team you're a fan of. But tickets are expensive, and if you can get better seats for the same price, or save some money, by getting seats somewhere else, people will do it. So it ends up with everyone being all mixed up. It generally goes down without incident.
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El Seano posted:1. So the Giants having ODB is literally as good as most teams receiver corps? I just feel like surely if we don't draft another reputable receiver they can just double ODB on every play and he'll sink like gently caress in his third year? I get that he's supposed to be great but I literally have no frame of reference and plus surely if any team puts two on him and the other receiver can't catch a ball then surely the offence will just crash. It may say something here that I really thought the Giants cure for no.2 receiver was Sanu and was actually pretty bummed when he signed elsewhere. 1) Doubling players is a huge annoyance to defensive schemes, and even mediocre NFL WR can still hurt you. But yeah it's a team sport so if nobody else is dangerous it will hurt him... there is the other side of the coin where you force him the ball constantly because what else are you going to do, so even in a bad year ODB could have a decent year statistically, playing from behind all the time etc. 2&3 no informative opinion 4) They don't. Generally 95% of football fans don't attack each other that often or take it THAT seriously, and soccer is scarier in that regard. There is often a "super homer" section were it might be a little riskier especially in some stadiums but those are season ticket holders / you're not ending up there.
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El Seano posted:5. BPA vs Need. As I see it as a novice, Need outweighs BPA everytime unless you're picking top 5. I mean people keep saying that Ramsey is supposed to be the second coming of whoever but if you're loaded at that position why take him? I mean if the Giants were picking 2nd I'd say you take Myles Jack rather than Ramsey. But then apparently another argument is thats two picks too high for Myles Jack. This poo poo is confusing.
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El Seano posted:5. BPA vs Need. As I see it as a novice, Need outweighs BPA everytime unless you're picking top 5. I mean people keep saying that Ramsey is supposed to be the second coming of whoever but if you're loaded at that position why take him? I mean if the Giants were picking 2nd I'd say you take Myles Jack rather than Ramsey. But then apparently another argument is thats two picks too high for Myles Jack. This poo poo is confusing. Other teams will get the talent you're passing on. And then you'll be worse off relative to where you were.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:The obvious answer is Washington, because as far as I know, no other NFL teams use a slur as their team name. Yet seem to have an overwhelmingly African-American fanbase.
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Sash! posted:Yet seem to have an overwhelmingly African-American fanbase. Might have something to do with the fact they're based in Washington DC.
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Ross Angeles posted:subject yourself to baseball. How are those communist party meetings going mr unamerican?
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Ron Jeremy posted:How are those communist party meetings going mr unamerican? When patriots defend this country despite knowing it is imperfect, they are referring to baseball
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3 DONG HORSE posted:When patriots defend this country despite knowing it is imperfect, they are referring to baseball Checks out.
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