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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Zeroisanumber posted:

Super-progressive for 1994.

No, really. The culture at large was awful to gays in the 90's.

But gay kissing is ok if its two chicks as proven on DS9.

(But it was ok! They only kissed because one of them used to be a dude in another life!)

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Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May

Zeroisanumber posted:

Super-progressive for 1994.

No, really. The culture at large was awful to gays in the 90's.

It always blows my mind that America went from a president loudly expressing support for a Federal Marriage Act to having nationwide gay marriage in just over a decade.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

hobbesmaster posted:

But gay kissing is ok if its two chicks as proven on DS9.

(But it was ok! They only kissed because one of them used to be a dude in another life!)

The 90's were the era of the heavily promoted sweeps week lesbian kiss. I can think of four off the top of my head.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010


There's no way he can lose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUUPNzF3-2Q

zoux posted:

The 90's were the era of the heavily promoted sweeps week lesbian kiss. I can think of four off the top of my head.

Props for Buffy for not heavily promoting theirs and making it a minor detail in a very sad episode.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx
The only really "progressive" show that featured homosexuality from the 90's/early 00's was queer as folk.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

For that ST:TNG episode, it's more like they skipped way over the whole sexuality thing and went straight out to a real futuristic (for that era) concept: gender. Back then, it would be unheard of for someone not to be the gender they appear to be, beyond simply drag.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Doctor Butts posted:

That is a retarded opinion.

I don't care, I loving hate TV.

Every series has contrived and bullshit moments and require like a year of involvement for a one-episode underwhelming playoff. If I lived in a shithole city and hated my life, I would see the appeal of laying on a couch all day and zoning out to retarded water cooler convo fodder.

Movies are complete, standalone works and great movies will always be inherently better than great "prestige television."

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

GalacticAcid posted:

I don't care, I loving hate TV.

Every series has contrived and bullshit moments and require like a year of involvement for a one-episode underwhelming playoff. If I lived in a shithole city and hated my life, I would see the appeal of laying on a couch all day and zoning out to retarded water cooler convo fodder.

Movies are complete, standalone works and great movies will always be inherently better than great "prestige television."

This seems like a reasonable opinion lol.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

GalacticAcid posted:

I don't care, I loving hate TV.

Every series has contrived and bullshit moments and require like a year of involvement for a one-episode underwhelming playoff. If I lived in a shithole city and hated my life, I would see the appeal of laying on a couch all day and zoning out to retarded water cooler convo fodder.

Movies are complete, standalone works and great movies will always be inherently better than great "prestige television."

I strongly suspect you hate your life regardless of how you'd describe your city.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


GalacticAcid posted:

I don't care, I loving hate TV.

Every series has contrived and bullshit moments and require like a year of involvement for a one-episode underwhelming playoff. If I lived in a shithole city and hated my life, I would see the appeal of laying on a couch all day and zoning out to retarded water cooler convo fodder.

Movies are complete, standalone works and great movies will always be inherently better than great "prestige television."
Do you prefer picture books to a multi novel series? WHat about a TV adaptation of a movie or a movie adaptation of a TV series.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
the knick completely owned, every second of it owned

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Popular Thug Drink posted:

the knick completely owned, every second of it owned

Actually, like every TV show ever made, it was garbage and worthless.

Rubber Tucky
Oct 14, 2004


Next time I will pay attention while choosing my thread tags.
Show Me a Hero was pretty good, I liked it.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Popular Thug Drink posted:

the knick completely owned, every second of it owned

I heard it had an underwhelming playoff.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Doctor Butts posted:

For that ST:TNG episode, it's more like they skipped way over the whole sexuality thing and went straight out to a real futuristic (for that era) concept: gender. Back then, it would be unheard of for someone not to be the gender they appear to be, beyond simply drag.

That episode was still terrible. I mean, yeah, good on them for taking on the issue but it was just cringe-inducing the whole way through.

Riker's beard shot first.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Doctor Butts posted:

I heard it had an underwhelming playoff.

you're thinking of boardwalk empire

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


regardless if it was a movie it would have been a worthwhile playoff

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Tim Tebow lead the Gators to a National Championship. He can do no wrong and anyone who would vote against him in North East Florida would be quickly surrounded by an angry mob.

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

hobbesmaster posted:

But gay kissing is ok if its two chicks as proven on DS9.

(But it was ok! They only kissed because one of them used to be a dude in another life!)

Hah, watching this last year for the first time it hit me as a very progressive message of gender as something completely separate from bodies (given all the backstory about the Trill and that the two weren't in the same bodies they had been). I completely missed the 'gay but its okay cause' subtext... which kinda undermines my reading. Shoot!

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Gyges posted:

Tim Tebow lead the Gators to a National Championship. He can do no wrong and anyone who would vote against him in North East Florida would be quickly surrounded by an angry mob.

He'd do great in Denver too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0UOxrcS2Q

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May
Remember this guy?


Turns out UC-Davis has been trying to retcon that incident out of existence.

quote:

...
If you’re the University of California–Davis, apparently, you can pay a firm boatloads of money to get references of said embarrassing event wiped from the internet and replaced with more positive mentions.

This is what the university did in order to counteract the popular search results around its infamous 2011 pepper spray scandal. Some incredible digging by the Sacramento Bee this week reveals that the university spent $175,000 on a campaign to scrub the web of these unflattering articles that the university apparently felt soiled the reputation of the campus and its chancellor, Linda P.B. Katehi. It countered that negativity with a “surge of content with positive sentiment”—all paid for from the school’s communications budget. In an era of budget scarcity across the University of California system—Davis’ sister school Berkeley announced 500 staff layoffs this week—Davis saw its strategic communications budget swell from $2.93 million in 2009 to $5.47 million in 2015.
...

Hire a firm that specializes in managing online reputations, of course! In 2013, Davis hired that Maryland company, Nevins & Associates, to embark on “an aggressive and comprehensive online campaign to eliminate the negative search results for UC Davis and the Chancellor.” The Bee was able to discover this fact by filing for contracts between the firm and the university under the California Publics Record Act. A year after the PR contract was established, the bad press, investigations, and lawsuits continued. So in June 2014, the university hired Sacramento-based ID Media Partners to extend its endeavor to sanitize its pepper spray–related search results.

Funnily, the Bee’s work may have undone all of those clean-up efforts Davis spent so much on (Google “UC Davis” on Thursday, and you’ll get a list of articles on all the money it spent to clean up its online reputation). So what does Davis have to say for itself now? In response to the Bee’s reporting, officials said they were merely attempting to shift the internet’s focus back to the school’s excellent academics and public service: “We have worked to ensure that the reputation of the university, which the chancellor leads, is fairly portrayed,” campus spokeswoman Dana Topousis told the Bee. “We wanted to promote and advance the important teaching, research and public service done by our students, faculty and staff, which is the core mission of our university.”

I like the fact that they Streisand-effected themselves. :p

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Mr. Wookums posted:

Do you prefer picture books to a multi novel series?

I mean I don't think TV is inherently worthless either, but I prefer one novel that stands on its own to a multi novel series :confused:

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Ok, TeeVee is cool and I'm glad you enjoy your programs. Sorry for the derail.

Anyway longtime New Republic cartoonist Vint Lawrence has died. TNR put a nice collection of his caricatures together and did a writeup of his wild life.



Link here.

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


Kro-Bar posted:

Remember this guy?


Turns out UC-Davis has been trying to retcon that incident out of existence.


I like the fact that they Streisand-effected themselves. :p

That cop is a supreme idiot. Look how many cameras there are in that shot!

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

OAquinas posted:

That episode was still terrible. I mean, yeah, good on them for taking on the issue but it was just cringe-inducing the whole way through.

Riker's beard shot first.

Every episode was cringe inducing to one degree or another. Seriously, if you enjoyed the series back then don't go back and rewatch it, it does not stand the test of time at all.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
jesus christ Rep. Steve King is giving a speech on CSPAN right now. it has been going on for a half hour at the least. Everything he is saying is absolutely nuts. Did you know who time he joked with Scalia that all federal courts could be abolished and the supreme court could be completely defunded and reduced to one chief justice? Scalia replied you need 3 justices to have a chief justice at least. To which King replied aren't there too many chiefs already. They had some fun guys.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Mr Hootington posted:

jesus christ Rep. Steve King is giving a speech on CSPAN right now. it has been going on for a half hour at the least. Everything he is saying is absolutely nuts. Did you know who time he joked with Scalia that all federal courts could be abolished and the supreme court could be completely defunded and reduced to one chief justice? Scalia replied you need 3 justices to have a chief justice at least. To which King replied aren't there too many chiefs already. They had some fun guys.
Oh but it's the DEMOCRATS who hate the constitution.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Mr Hootington posted:

jesus christ Rep. Steve King is giving a speech on CSPAN right now. it has been going on for a half hour at the least. Everything he is saying is absolutely nuts. Did you know who time he joked with Scalia that all federal courts could be abolished and the supreme court could be completely defunded and reduced to one chief justice? Scalia replied you need 3 justices to have a chief justice at least. To which King replied aren't there too many chiefs already. They had some fun guys.

All you need is 1 Chief Judge on the bench. The rest of the Judges roam the streets, dispensing justice, one judgement, one bullet at a time.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

MariusLecter posted:

All you need is 1 Chief Judge on the bench. The rest of the Judges roam the streets, dispensing justice, one judgement, one bullet at a time.

RBG as a Judge Dredd like character would actually loving rule though.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
^^^ efb

MariusLecter posted:

All you need is 1 Chief Judge on the bench. The rest of the Judges roam the streets, dispensing justice, one judgement, one bullet at a time.

I would watch the hell out of a movie involving Ruth Bader Ginsburg shooting the hell out of people.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

Radbot posted:

I'm not entitled to the money that I paid in over my entire working life? Why, exactly?

The comments on that video are cancer.

"Entitlements" is another example of poisonous conservative doublespeak that's entered the mainstream lexicon, unfortunately.

Social Security, unemployment/disability insurance and Medicare/Medicaid are programs are earned benefits, since the overwhelming majority of people will pay into those programs their entire lives (up to ~$106,000! :shepface: ) through their work and won't receive those benefits until much later if ever.

It's a societal contract. If Social Security and medicare benefits are ever negatively affected I'm racking up enormous debt in as many ways I can and fleeing the country.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
yeah he is still talking and is harping about how the court is way too liberal now and do not follow the constitution the way he thinks the founders saw it

if we resurrected the founding fathers today, they would appalled at how this all runs!

edit: he tagged in Yoho for a breather.

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May

Mr Hootington posted:

yeah he is still talking and is harping about how the court is way too liberal now and do not follow the constitution the way he thinks the founders saw it

if we resurrected the founding fathers today, they would appalled at how this all runs!

edit: he tagged in Yoho for a breather.

They wouldn't understand where their slaves went.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Mr Hootington posted:

yeah he is still talking and is harping about how the court is way too liberal now and do not follow the constitution the way he thinks the founders saw it

if we resurrected the founding fathers today, they would appalled at how this all runs!

edit: he tagged in Yoho for a breather.

I think our founding fathers would be too impressed by indoor pluming and electricity to be any kind of useful.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

RevKrule posted:

I think our founding fathers would be too impressed by indoor pluming and electricity to be any kind of useful.

If you let Ben Franklin find out about internet porn, he'd die all over again.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


RevKrule posted:

I think our founding fathers would be too impressed by indoor pluming and electricity to be any kind of useful.

Except Ben Franklin who'd be impressed by our modern super prostitutes and contraceptives.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

a shameful boehner posted:

"Entitlements" is another example of poisonous conservative doublespeak that's entered the mainstream lexicon, unfortunately.

Social Security, unemployment/disability insurance and Medicare/Medicaid are programs are earned benefits, since the overwhelming majority of people will pay into those programs their entire lives (up to ~$106,000! :shepface: ) through their work and won't receive those benefits until much later if ever.

It's a societal contract. If Social Security and medicare benefits are ever negatively affected I'm racking up enormous debt in as many ways I can and fleeing the country.

In Wisconsin during the collective bargaining kerfuffle, conservatives talked about pensions as "entitlements" and Liberals talked about them as "deferred compensation."

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

duz posted:

Except Ben Franklin who'd be impressed by our modern super prostitutes and contraceptives.

He wouldn't need contraceptives though.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
finally king done and i'm pretty sure he said we need to support grassley in his attempts at stopping the nomination because it is political and a republican needs to be elected because then we win.

hank johnson thanked king for giving an hour speech. he seems like a baller guy who is giving a good civics lesson.

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FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

GalacticAcid posted:

I don't care, I loving hate TV.

Every series has contrived and bullshit moments and require like a year of involvement for a one-episode underwhelming playoff. If I lived in a shithole city and hated my life, I would see the appeal of laying on a couch all day and zoning out to retarded water cooler convo fodder.

Movies are complete, standalone works and great movies will always be inherently better than great "prestige television."
The only people I've seen hate TV more than this is the TV forum.

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