G0RF posted:

That's very flattering, truly -- disquieting a little bit too if true but I would hope even those who dislike or dismiss my writing would consider it fair to all parties involved. Even the few who obviously wouldn't will still find times in my writing where I've defended them against an unfair claim or uncorroborated rumor. I write what I wish I could read somewhere else and mourn that what is so obvious to so many here is known to so few.

The tragedy of this -- all of this -- is that something truly amazing was within reach at one time. And as obvious as it is from here, how much more painful must that be for all the people working at CIG who are NOT a Roberts? Or a "friend of Chris"? I know many here feel that empathetic sting because they've memories of working on that thing that could've but SO GREAT but for a few toxic people at the top. And many of them work there now.

What CIG has become it became through hubris and vanity, dishonesty and greed... It is easy to focus on the technical missteps, and they are myriad, and were dictated by the top. But for all the technical missteps like CryEngine, for all the operational missteps, like splitting it all into modules handled by teams all over the place and hoping to cobble it together into something grand, there are as many moral missteps-- and those are the ones which will hurt more than any other when the find accounting is done. People inside CIG, people who once were but were fired or left in frustration, have already started THAT accounting.

One day-- the things we remark upon in laughter or horror here, the story we've largely agreed upon-- the one that can't be told but must be told, WILL BE TOLD. It won't be a secret chuckled and sneered and lamented by goons, it won't be a story whispered about by frustrated and miserable employees struggling to make the best of a bad hand.

It will be settled history, carved in stone and erected over the remains of what could have been, and it will read "Here lies CIG. It was the only thing they were good at."


(sorry that turned into an unplanned effort post-- as you were folks. And thank you, EightAce, and anybody at CIG who visits this forums wondering why nobody understands what you are going through. We do, and it's wrong, and you deserve better than this.)

SerCypher posted:

Risc1911 posted:

Effort Post incoming...

Just recently Chris Roberts said they are "re-factoring" the server and client net-code. At this point CIG does not have a network solution and will most likely not have one in the near future. What they have is the standard CryEngine network stack and server slightly modified (read hacked) to support a few more players.

We also heard they are sending Megabytes of data to the clients which in turn means they have not even started to optimize the serialization of their objects which is frightening to say the least.

Since they have not even started with persistence they do not have any infrastructure or server code for that either. The only thing they have is an account database for the web users which might be re-usable for the login server but most certainly not for the MMO account server.

People think making a MMO is hard because of all the content and the size. That is unfortunately not true. You can throw a ton of artists and level designers at a project without running into much of a problem, given your workflow and management is competent. They will create your art and content effortlessly when directed by professionals. Content creation scales really well in that regard.

Programming does not scale well at all even with stellar management. Especially not specialized tasks like networking or engine optimization. You can't throw 20 programmers at it, it will only slow things down. These are 1-3 man team efforts by highly qualified developers. Every code monkey can write you a quick sort but can they write you a quick sort in ASM that uses only 64 kilobytes and sorts through gigabytes of data in seconds? You get the idea.

The hardest part for CIG will be to get a stable and fast network architecture up and running. Typical MMO network architecture is extremely complex.

1. Web facing Firewall and Proxy(s)
2. Load balancing servers that spread the traffic to available login servers.
3. Login and account servers with Account Database and Backup Account Database servers.
4. Dispatch servers that hand off clients to the area server manager depending on where the players are.
5. Area Server Manager that dispatches the clients to instances.
6. World, NPC and Item Database plus Backups.

That is just a broad overview and all of these have to be developed and optimized to work flawlessly together under high load. They need to be written from scratch since every game is different. You can of cause buy a solution but it will limit you in the long run.

This is as much of a Hardware as it is a Software challenge. Physically setting up those Servers is critical to the overall success. Using cloud solutions is doomed to be a failure unless you are making a simple browser game or similar simple software. You want hundreds of clients at the same time, you better get your hands dirty and set-up those servers in your own network centre.

I have worked as a C++ Tech optimizing source code for network servers, game engines and financial software and i can tell you that i don't see CIG as a company that will be able to deliver anything remotely stable and playable in terms of network performance. Given time, they might tackle it, we are talking 3-4 years here with multiple failed attempts and serious scaling back of the initial promises.

I think they will be out of money and belly up long before we even get to the whole network infrastructure problems.

BattleMaster posted:

me reading this thread

peter gabriel posted:

Are people pissing on those otters?

peter gabriel posted:

Are people pissing on those otters?

peter gabriel posted:

Are people pissing on those otters?

BattleMaster posted:

please do not piss on the chinchillas

Mirificus posted:

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/326630/star-citizen-overpriced-especially-for-some-parts-of-the-world


https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6566754/#Comment_6566754


https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6567417/#Comment_6567417

BattleMaster posted:

please do not piss on the chinchillas

peter gabriel posted:

Are people pissing on those otters?

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Lol seraph re-reg here to get refund help. What a loving moron.

Eonwe posted:

i do not like popeyes biscuits

alf_pogs posted:

anabelle is saying the word "jack" like rick says the word "morty"

Ash1138 posted:

your username takes on a whole new meaning

VealCutlet posted:

More greyhounds please

peter gabriel posted:

Pissing on any animal is a big no no to me

Apart from maybe slugs, I dunno

T.G. Xarbala posted:

Apparently you're supposed to piss on tomatoes?

T.G. Xarbala posted:

Apparently you're supposed to piss on tomatoes?

Wafflz posted:

look at this fuckin guy

MeLKoR posted:

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

FrankieGoes posted:

I bet some animals would enjoy it. You just have to find the right ones.