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Nameless_Steve posted:I know you meant "be dazzled" but I'm choosing to believe that women literally went around bedazzling men against their will. FABULOUS ...He used the word correctly.
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thethreeman posted:latter is an interesting point, will be fascinating to see what happens at treasury auctions if trump gets the nom and looks halfway credible. I bet yields jump materially. Can't wait to read the downgrades from moodys/etc And he can spin it all as the "crisis" he's been predicting, and it will work. He's the self-fulfilling prophet, he has been since he purposefully overpaid for the Plaza to generate news and thus raise the worth of the property.
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Oiled and Ready posted:No, I just don't understand how it is victim blaming. No one is saying the rapists wouldn't be wholly responsible for the crime, only that you can take precautions to make them less successful. "Wearing a shirt." is an action. "Being a girl" is not an action.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:"Leaving a gold watch on your dash" is an action. you're saying girls shouldn't wear shirts?
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Agronox posted:...He used the word correctly. Check again: "men believed they could bedazzled by women"
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Fidel Castronaut posted:there are a lot of folks who cling to ideology that is from the early modern period when men believed they could bedazzled by women to the point that they couldn't help themselves in a literal not figurative way. so, it is the woman's responsibility to not seduce them. No, they cling to the ideology that no matter what we do certain men will think that way and you can pretend we live in a society and have a higher chance of getting raped or you can precaution against it. No matter what, legally and morally the man is fully to blame, but you can reduce the chances of being a target. Y'know, like not wearing a shirt that says "my skin would make a good suit" wouldn't shift blame from Buffalo Bill but you still shouldn't wear that shirt around him. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oiled and Ready posted:No, I just don't understand how it is victim blaming. No one is saying the rapists wouldn't be wholly responsible for the crime, only that you can take precautions to make them less successful. Psst...one of the big issues is how much time we spend talking about women's clothes instead of talking about ways in which to make it so that women can go to parties without worrying. Sort of like how maybe we should spend more time focusing on what it is that gets a person to the point that they are stealing watches instead of telling people to hide their valuables.
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Apr 15, 2016 23:47
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Oiled and Ready posted:No, they cling to the ideology that no matter what we do certain men will think that way and you can pretend we live in a society and have a higher chance of getting raped or you can precaution against it. No matter what, legally and morally the man is fully to blame, but you can reduce the chances of being a target. Y'know, like not wearing a shirt that says "my skin would make a good suit" wouldn't shift blame from Buffalo Bill but you still shouldn't wear that shirt around him.
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In my old neighborhood, cops would leave "report cards" on the windshields of cars parked on the streets that gave them a grade and took points off for things like unlocked doors or visible electronics. That's basically what approaches to rape that focus on women's outfits and behavior are: a stupid infantilzing waste of time that does nothing to get to the root of the issue, which is what a guy who is running for president should be talking about. We wouldn't be having this conversation if Kasich was asked about inner-city crime and said people shouldn't leave their phones in their cars because it would obviously be a really stupid loving response but him talking about parties and rape somehow makes dudes nod approvingly.
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Apr 15, 2016 23:53
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Oiled and Ready posted:Don't find yourself among several rowdy drunken frat boys as a cute small girl. It's your right, and if you know them personally that's different, but otherwise it is not smart because they may commit a crime, which is still illegal and they are to blame but perhaps you would rather be safe than be correct as you pursue legal action. "Approximately 4/5 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim. 82% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger. 47% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance. 25% are an intimate. 5% are a relative." https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders
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Apr 15, 2016 23:54
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No, I just don't understand how it is out of context. No one is saying journalists wouldn't be wholly responsible for publishing the quote, only that you can take precautions to make the media less successful. Don't tell women about rape if you're a GOP candidate. It's still just as bad to quote it, but it's not smart. Don't wear a Trump hat around your neighbors. It's your right, and if you get assaulted it's a crime, but it's not smart. Don't find yourself among several members of the media as a Republican political candidate. It's your right, and if you know them personally that's different, but otherwise it is not smart because they may quote you, which is still gotcha journalism and they are to blame but perhaps you would rather be safe than be correct as you pursue Presidential nomination.
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boom boom boom posted:you're saying girls shouldn't wear shirts? Girls should exercise their Second Amendment Rights. Kasich already signed the assault weapons ban in the mid 90's, and now he's failing to advocate for second amendment remedies in the case of attempted rape. I don't think we can trust him to defend our Constitutional right to bear arms, and use them for self-defense.
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I've been wanting to sleep with Sharon Stone for 25 years. This is our time! Commiserate with me in the time of our civilization's end, my crazy blonde Internet crush.
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radical meme posted:Still, Mattis is a "childless single man" so unless he's practicing a lot of unconstitutional sex He's a Marine. How familiar are you with our military? Basically lots of sex is why we piss off everyone we have military bases stationed in.
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Telling a woman she shouldn't go to a party with alcohol if she doesn't want to get raped and telling her she should always wear a burqa if she doesn't want to get raped are different in degree, not in kind, but a Republican would not get away with telling women to wear burqas, for some reason
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Oiled and Ready posted:No, I just don't understand how it is victim blaming. No one is saying the rapists wouldn't be wholly responsible for the crime, only that you can take precautions to make them less successful. Doing dumb poo poo is your right as an American. Rape isn't. No one at a drunken party or a Trump rally has to give a flying gently caress about what you or someone who can't control their sex drive thinks and you're wrong. That's why rapists go to jail and people in skirts don't get fined.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/276532-trump-supporters-protest-in-colorado this protest... it's YUUUUGE https://twitter.com/NickRiccardi/status/721079101365161985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/SteveStaeger/status/721091781924773888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Majorian posted:Yeah, Kerry's already said that it's having negative effects on our diplomatic efforts, and while I'm sure he'd be saying that anyway because he's a good team player for the Dems, I imagine there's some truth to it. I'm friends with lots of Koreans through work-related contexts. Young (as in, younger than 50) Koreans tend to tune out everything not in their own field of vision because they grew up with a military dictatorship based on "everyone outside the motherland wants to kill us" and they're in recovery. So basically what I'm saying is when I talk to my Korean friends about Donald Trump, they gently make sure I'm not literally insane first and then ask "how the gently caress could this ever happen, ever." The answer to that question will make several interesting books.
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Nameless_Steve posted:Check again: Apologies, you are correct.
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Lum_ posted:I'm friends with lots of Koreans through work-related contexts. Young (as in, younger than 50) Koreans tend to tune out everything not in their own field of vision That explains that double eye-lid plastic surgery craze at least.
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Nameless_Steve posted:I know you meant "be dazzled" but I'm choosing to believe that women literally went around bedazzling men against their will. FABULOUS I actually meant "be bedazzled." Whoops. e: Worth it to get this sweet gif out of it. Fidel Castronaut fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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I attended Grove City Colllege, in PA. It is a conservative Protestant school with required chapel attendance, no co-ed dorms (they're actually on opposite ends of campus), strictly monitored and timed "intervisitation periods" where you have to sign a member of the opposite sex into your dorm room and keep the door open, and absolutely no alcohol permitted under penalty of a week off-campus suspension. Guess what was a major safety concern there a few years before I attended? Yep, a rash of sexual assaults against female students. John Kasich can suck it.
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I assume Republicans making noise about how they'd prefer to run against Hillary, how she's a weaker candidate than Bernie and Bernie's great/authentic/"at least he's honest" etc is all because none of them think he could be the candidate so it's risk-free to start framing the narrative of Clinton's candidacy as a mistake by the Dems. They're not at risk of having to go back and say "Actually Sanders is a threat to our democracy and will destroy your freedoms" later so they might as well leverage him and maybe demoralize more of his supporters when he loses. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a similar point very early on in '08 when praising Obama as a way to make Clinton look worse was considered fairly safe for Republicans, but once it started looking like he could win they naturally backed off of that. It's a little tough to say the same's happening with the Republican candidates right now. Democrats will occasionally suggest that Kasich is at least within the realm of sanity, but that honestly sounds less like a tactic and more like a basic statement of fact compared to his competition. Even that'll throttle back as he adds statements like the alcohol thing to people's public perception of him.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Again, it's your equating "having a vagina" with open goading that is the problem here. If anyone is still having trouble with all of this, read this post again. Then do it again.
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Here's a controversial hot take that would instantly get me crucified within the Republican Party: Maybe people should stop raping others regardless of what they're wearing or how much they've had to drink?
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Primary opponent concern trolling is like the original form of concern trolling. There are Trilobites fossilized in the act of saying "actually, I prefer running against [winning trilobite]"
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Thump! posted:Here's a controversial hot take that would instantly get me crucified within the Republican Party: Maybe people should stop raping others regardless of what they're wearing or how much they've had to drink? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILZQSmE5Uu0
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'Don't go to a party with alcohol to avoid rape' is about as useful as saying 'dont park your car on the street to avoid theft'. The car analogy was for Kasich. Buckle up
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thethreeman posted:http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/276532-trump-supporters-protest-in-colorado Conservatives are so sad when they protest, even in cases where they are unambiguously in the right like in complaining about Trump's upcoming ratfucking
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This is something I don't often say, or like to say, but: human being
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Jewel Repetition posted:This is something I don't often say, or like to say, but: Ok, so keep not saying it.
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In a world without CU the RNC might have had to engage its own voters in a way other than stroking their hate boners and there might not have been a Trump candidacy.
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Lemming posted:Ok, so keep not saying it. Sorry, it was just the only response I could think of that expressed everything.
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Nameless_Steve posted:Check again: i want to be bedazzled
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Lum_ posted:He's a Marine. How familiar are you with our military? Basically lots of sex is why we piss off everyone we have military bases stationed in. Sim City 2000 got it right when they designed it so having a military base in your city increases crime.
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mandatory lesbian posted:i want to be bedazzled what about being vagazzled?
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skaboomizzy posted:I attended Grove City Colllege, in PA. It is a conservative Protestant school with required chapel attendance, no co-ed dorms (they're actually on opposite ends of campus), strictly monitored and timed "intervisitation periods" where you have to sign a member of the opposite sex into your dorm room and keep the door open, and absolutely no alcohol permitted under penalty of a week off-campus suspension. Sounds like they put those rules in place for a reason then?? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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