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In more positive casting news, Laura Harrier (One Live To Live) and Toni Revolori (The Grand Budapest Hotel) have been cast as Spider-Man's schoolmates for Homecoming.
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Renoistic posted:Topical crosspost from the GiTS thread. I adore this. Asian without Asianness.
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Apr 16, 2016 00:49
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So obviously still terrible and offensive but my theory is it might have been a request in order to better sell movies in foreign markets? I can't otherwise see any reason for ever thinking about this, but then again people are awful so
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The MSJ posted:Speaking of race lifting, Tessa Thompson could be playing Valkyrie in Thor 3. This is dope. The MSJ posted:In more positive casting news, Laura Harrier (One Live To Live) and Toni Revolori (The Grand Budapest Hotel) have been cast as Spider-Man's schoolmates for Homecoming. This is dope. Also, Toni Revolori is in Dope.
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Apr 16, 2016 01:14
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Guy A. Person posted:So obviously still terrible and offensive but my theory is it might have been a request in order to better sell movies in foreign markets? I can't otherwise see any reason for ever thinking about this, but then again people are awful so I want to think so, but it just doesn't make any drat sense. The only thing that makes sense to me is that some studio executive had overheard their kid talking about white washing and wanted to try and fix the problem. So they went and spent a few million dollars to see if their millions of dollars white lady could be made to look Asian. And then accounting got wind of it and pointed out that they could have gotten Olivia Munn with a nudity clause for way less.
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Apr 16, 2016 01:18
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We're a quarter into 2016, and there's already a lamentable amount of lovely whitewashing going on. Gods of Egypt, Ghost in the Shell, then Marvel with three major properties in promotion that lean HEAVILY on Asian culture but are suspiciously free of actual Asians as characters. Iron Fist, the ninja-tastic Daredevil, and Doctor Strange. I love that Chiwetel Ejiofor finally got snatched up by the MCU, but it's a monkey's paw situation that he's been regulated to a side-antagonist in Doctor Strange. Yeah, he's not white, but at the end of the day you've still got a scene with a bunch of actors running down a NY street dressed in psuedo-Asian garb, practicing pseudo-Asian magic and martial arts, and ain't a drat one of them Asian. And they learned all this poo poo from a white woman. In Asia. I LOVE Tilda Swinton, and I think she should absolutely be in this and/or any Marvel movie, but you know who else could have been the Wise Master? loving martial arts living legend Michelle Yeoh. Or even Dichen Lachman, who got cast as Skye's mom or whatever, but who is actually Tibetian/Nepalese, which would be a great tribute to the character's origins. Only casting Asians in stereotypical martial arts roles does suck, but copping the "cool" aspects of their culture, aesthetic, and history, then erasing them from the screen sucks even worse.
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Apr 16, 2016 03:58
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Crisco Kid posted:We're a quarter into 2016, and there's already a lamentable amount of lovely whitewashing going on. Gods of Egypt, Ghost in the Shell, then Marvel with three major properties in promotion that lean HEAVILY on Asian culture but are suspiciously free of actual Asians as characters. Iron Fist, the ninja-tastic Daredevil, and Doctor Strange. Not counting Madame Gao and Nobu? I do agree with the rest of your post though, Iron Fist is especially egregious.
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Apr 16, 2016 04:06
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Uh we have no idea what if any Asians will be in Iron Fist. Pretty much nothing about the show except the main actor that was cast is known.
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Apr 16, 2016 04:07
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Crisco Kid posted:We're a quarter into 2016, and there's already a lamentable amount of lovely whitewashing going on. Gods of Egypt, Ghost in the Shell, then Marvel with three major properties in promotion that lean HEAVILY on Asian culture but are suspiciously free of actual Asians as characters. Iron Fist, the ninja-tastic Daredevil, and Doctor Strange. Michelle Yeoh and Dichen Lachman don't have the ethereal qualities that Tilda Swinton and the Ancient One the production wrote and casted her for have.
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Apr 16, 2016 04:21
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Whizbang posted:Michelle Yeoh and Dichen Lachman don't have the ethereal qualities that Tilda Swinton and the Ancient One the production wrote and casted her for have. White privilege?
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Equeen posted:White privilege? No, dumbass. If they could find a Bowie-esque Asian actress then they should've cast them, but Michelle Yeoh and a D-tier Whedon stable like Dichen Lachman aren't it.
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Apr 16, 2016 04:31
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greatn posted:Uh we have no idea what if any Asians will be in Iron Fist. Pretty much nothing about the show except the main actor that was cast is known. They've already cast a (half) Asian woman, Jessica Henwick, as Colleen Wing.
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Apr 16, 2016 04:42
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Crisco Kid posted:Gods of Egypt, Ghost in the Shell, then Marvel with three major properties in promotion that lean HEAVILY on Asian culture but are suspiciously free of actual Asians as characters. Iron Fist, the ninja-tastic Daredevil, and Doctor Strange. Theres Asians in all of those
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Judging by people reactions to Olivia Munn and Chloe Bennett being cast as Asian characters, half Asians just don't count as Asian.
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Apr 16, 2016 04:45
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Okay be fair here Olivia Munn gets poo poo from nerds because nerds just like to poo poo on Olivia Munn Like, that goes back to her G4 days. That weird nerd hate is deep and entrenched.
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Apr 16, 2016 04:47
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greatn posted:Judging by people reactions to Olivia Munn and Chloe Bennett being cast as Asian characters, half Asians just don't count as Asian. Chloe Bennett gets poo poo because she was cast for her looks and not her meager to non-existent acting skills.
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She's awesome and (not an unheard of opinion) the MVP of The Newsroom.
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greatn posted:Judging by people reactions to Olivia Munn and Chloe Bennett being cast as Asian characters, half Asians just don't count as Asian. We shouldn't pretend to be mad stupid just because other people are
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CelticPredator posted:She's awesome and (not an unheard of opinion) the MVP of The Newsroom.
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Apr 16, 2016 04:53
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Unpopular opinion, I liked all of that silly yelly show. I like shows about people doing things and being all snappy.
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:Not counting Madame Gao and Nobu? I do agree with the rest of your post though, Iron Fist is especially egregious. Whizbang posted:Michelle Yeoh and Dichen Lachman don't have the ethereal qualities that Tilda Swinton and the Ancient One the production wrote and casted her for have.  
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Apr 16, 2016 05:18
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The piss jar is a metaphor for this thread.
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Apr 16, 2016 05:32
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Crisco Kid posted:Madame Gao is speaking Mandarin... in what is obviously not her native dialect. SIMPLE TASK. You can literally, in real life, find any spoken language in New York if you give a drat. Much of what makes Daredevil so exceptional is that it's obviously shot in real NY neighborhoods, but they couldn't find a Mandarin speaker? Gao's Mandarin was fine - better than American productions usually feature. Yes, she has an accent and it may not be her first language (I'd wager that was Cantonese), but you know who else doesn't speak Mandarin either with a proper Beijing accent or as a first language? The overwhelming majority of Chinese citizens.
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Apr 16, 2016 05:48
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Part of Iron Fist's thing is that he's a rich white kid who hangs out with lower class and minority characters and learns from them. Me, I'm hoping they get an asian actor to play Fu Manchu.
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Apr 16, 2016 05:54
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TetsuoTW posted:Gao's Mandarin was fine - better than American productions usually feature. Yes, she has an accent and it may not be her first language (I'd wager that was Cantonese), but you know who else doesn't speak Mandarin either with a proper Beijing accent or as a first language? The overwhelming majority of Chinese citizens. Honestly, her accent is the least of this industry's problems. It's amazing she even exists in her minor role, despite that it could have served more and better.
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Crisco Kid posted:Except even that is awkward because Nobu is basically a non-character, then dies, and Madame Gao is speaking Mandarin... in what is obviously not her native dialect. SIMPLE TASK. You can literally, in real life, find any spoken language in New York if you give a drat. Much of what makes Daredevil so exceptional is that it's obviously shot in real NY neighborhoods, but they couldn't find a Mandarin speaker? So much of it could have been way better than it is. Given that the character isn't even from China, I'm not sure why not being a native Mandarin speaker makes a difference. Hell, if Arnold can always just be some guy from totally America, I don't see why anyone needs to speak perfect diction foreign languages.
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If Fin Fang Foom is not played by an actor who is a natural born Asian and biologically is a dragon then Marvel headquarters should be burned to the ground.
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:If Fin Fang Foom is not played by an actor who is a natural born Asian and biologically is a dragon then Marvel headquarters should be burned to the ground. I don't think you should be shaming Asian otherkin who just happen to have not been born biologically dragon.
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:If Fin Fang Foom is not played by an actor who is a natural born Asian and biologically is a dragon then Marvel headquarters should be burned to the ground. Fin is an alien from another planet. Please stop this ET erasure.
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Oh poo poo you guys are right, I apologize to all people who are alien dragons, in body or in spirit. I swear my shameful words came about from ignorance, not hate.
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Gyges posted:Given that the character isn't even from China, I'm not sure why not being a native Mandarin speaker makes a difference. Hell, if Arnold can always just be some guy from totally America, I don't see why anyone needs to speak perfect diction foreign languages. My real issue is with historical, lazy appropriation and how it could easily be avoided without demeaning our fellow citizens. Drilling into semantics, even playfully, is avoiding the problem :/ Crisco Kid fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Apr 16, 2016 07:53
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*wearily* uh huh
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TetsuoTW posted:Gao's Mandarin was fine - better than American productions usually feature. Yes, she has an accent and it may not be her first language (I'd wager that was Cantonese), but you know who else doesn't speak Mandarin either with a proper Beijing accent or as a first language? The overwhelming majority of Chinese citizens. poo poo dude, besides party tv who considers fucken Beijingr a proper accent. It's like if instead of bland, easily parseable midwestern US tv had chosen to use New Yorkers who say "youse" for broadcasts.
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DeimosRising posted:poo poo dude, besides party tv who considers fucken Beijingr a proper accent. It's like if instead of bland, easily parseable midwestern US tv had chosen to use New Yorkers who say "youse" for broadcasts. Regardless, it could and definitely has been worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j3CVCOmekY
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TetsuoTW posted:I mean technically it is the "Queen's English" of Mandarin. I agree, it's loving awful and I'm much more personally in favor of a more Southern-accented Mandarin.
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Josh Lyman posted:I'm from Hunan and my Chinese-speaking colleagues say my pronunciation sounds "gay". What do you speak natively, Xiang? Ironic given it was Mao's original language IIRC. I hear the gay thing about Taiwanese accents a lot, too.
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DeimosRising posted:What do you speak natively, Xiang? Ironic given it was Mao's original language IIRC. I hear the gay thing about Taiwanese accents a lot, too.
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e: actually nm
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they blackwashed heimdall
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Josh Lyman posted:No, I only speak Mandarin. Ah, I misunderstood the bit about "Chinese speaking colleagues"
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